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Playing the same game as I do does not make him any more qualified than any of the other contestants to get a vote from me. None of the contestants are any more qualified than the others to get my vote, so why should I pick him over all the others? Because Goonswarm likes him? Unfortunately for him, I don't like Goonswarm.

(and yeah, I don't care about "internet personas" because your real personas always show through it by virtue of the fact that you're willing to act however you do online and think it's somehow more okay than if you did it in "real life")

www.minerbumping.com

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Don't know what OP is asking for but no support from me

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Its not okay to pretend to be things you aren't in RL when you are playing a Roleplaying Game about space pilots?

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Don't know what OP is asking for but no support from me

"oh, it's all online, I'll just be a **** and troll forums/blow up empty freighters in Jita all day because it's not really me doing it. It's my avatar, so by all means help me when I ask for it because all of a sudden it's not my avatar anymore, and I didn't actually do all of these things to people who didn't deserve it" (classic Goonswarm)

Normal people with normal minds who have morals tend to feel guilty after breaking said morals in any type of environment, roleplaying or not.

Playing the same game as I do does not make him any more qualified than any of the other contestants to get a vote from me. None of the contestants are any more qualified than the others to get my vote, so why should I pick him over all the others? Because Goonswarm likes him? Unfortunately for him, I don't like Goonswarm.



(and yeah, I don't care about "internet personas" because your real personas always show through it by virtue of the fact that you're willing to act however you do online and think it's somehow more okay than if you did it in "real life")

I can't believe you don't feel some amount of love or compassion for him.

All that stuff doesn't matter, guys. It took you more time to type up a response than to vote for the guy, for free. I can't believe you don't feel some amount of love or compassion for him.

If Avalloc wins a van he has promised to get the custom license plate GOATSE.

Playing the same game as I do does not make him any more qualified than any of the other contestants to get a vote from me. None of the contestants are any more qualified than the others to get my vote, so why should I pick him over all the others? Because Goonswarm likes him? Unfortunately for him, I don't like Goonswarm.



(and yeah, I don't care about "internet personas" because your real personas always show through it by virtue of the fact that you're willing to act however you do online and think it's somehow more okay than if you did it in "real life")

If Avalloc wins a van he has promised to get the custom license plate GOATSE.

Nobody can question your decision to wax philosophical about the virtues of clicking buttons for one person over another every 24 hours, instead of actually helping someone in need, certainly not yourself as you look back on your life and your actions as you ready yourself to face the blackness of death and the ever-growing fear of impending Divine Judgement.

I respect the straight talk buddy but in the time it took to type out this post I paused and voted for Avalloc again, so that's about the weight of your case for not doing this minor act of altruism. It's less, actually, this post took a few minutes. Your effort would have been about half a minute of typing and clicking.

Also, "altruism" is a paradoxical term in this context. Simply labeling an action of your own as altruistic automatically negates the whole selfless aspect of whatever you're doing as the act of bringing attention to your own "selfless" acts can only ever be driven by selfish reason and a desire for attention or credit. True altruists seek no recognition and bring no attention to their good deeds, because they realize that ultimately it doesn't matter who knows what you did.

I fear neither Death nor Divine Judgment, for I have already died and been judged.

I can honestly say I have never heard anyone say that apart from people who think that RPing a bad guy means you have to be "unacceptable" in real life some how



Sorry, didnt mean to disturb you in your Ivory Tower of Superiority there.

Anyways, I'm obviously intentionally not clicking said button for reasons already stated, and I'm well aware of the minimal amount of time it takes, to which a subtle nod was given by yourself.

Your view is quite clear and doesn't need to be challenged. I can totally respect the logic in relation to supporting someone that you don't know IRL over other people you also don't know IRL and there not being a way for you to make a personal decision in favour of anyone.

At the same time, some of the other issues risk taking the thread off topic, which really isn't needed either. Hopefully this is where some of that discussion can nip itself so the main aim of this thread can continue.

Hmm, I find the whole Meanie Bumping thing really tedious, but I do separate in game stuff from real life.

Hey now, I didn't say normal people were superior. That's a perception brought on by some of today's warped societal norms. I also didn't say some morals are okay and some aren't. I just said "morals".

I didn't say RPing a bad guy was a bad thing. But there's a pretty well-drawn line between RPing a bad guy and being a downright ********. There's also a big difference between a consensual group RP session and someone being a **** and claiming they are RPing when the person they were being a **** to was not.

To put it into example format, unless work required it, you wouldn't go to your IT job(or what have you) impersonating a dwarven cleric, smacking people with a styrofoam mace without their consent. Likewise, you wouldn't show up to an RP session in the woods in your work attire, asking everyone how their wives and kids are doing. There is a time to RP, and there is a time to actually be yourself. EvE Online has the most confused community out of all the games I've played, in this respect.

James said that would happen

Prejudice is an ugly thing to see

yea, it's sad when people gets what they worked hard for: status of unreliable source

TL;DR RP is not an acceptable cop out excuse for being a ****.

I guess that's the trouble with unfettered dishonesty, and advocating lack of integrity as a game mechanic. You post something like this and guess what...you expect to be believed. That is so funny. If it's true...IF it's true...heart rending story...IF it's true.

Too bad we all have to consider the source. Enjoy your miner bumping and ganking out there! We're pullin' for yah.

It was also posted on EVE online facebook page.

Oh yes. If it's on facebook it HAS to be true.
(I have a bridge in San Francisco that's for sale.)

Oh yes. If it's on facebook it HAS to be true.
(I have a bridge in San Francisco that's for sale.)

I guess that's the trouble with unfettered dishonesty, and advocating lack of integrity as a game mechanic. You post something like this and guess what...you expect to be believed. That is so funny. If it's true...IF it's true...heart rending story...IF it's true.

Too bad we all have to consider the source. Enjoy your miner bumping and ganking out there! We're pullin' for yah.

Look we get it. You don't like how some people play and you have issues disconnecting that with RL. Great stuff, now move on please.

Ugh this minerbumping thing is so played out... ...Not even sure how this got called "emergent gameplay" in the first place, considering the miners have absolutely no legitimate way to counter it, but that's CCP for you.

I think to be honest its not a case of disconnecting RL from In-Game.

So you're getting annoyed because people wont vote (and are against) for a guy who has made a bad in-game name for his self posted on a website that is pretty much there for epeen stroking and making fun of people???

Correct. This is;



If you dont like the site and you dont want to do anything thats fine, but hows about just letting people make up their own minds?

Ugh this minerbumping thing is so played out now. It's funny for all of 2 minutes until critical thought comes back and you realize these internet tough guys are just carebears with guns: they control the encounter, they control the level of risk, they control everything about the situation. Really no better than a mission runner at that point. And then after all that, we have to listen to all this "New Order" spew? I've seen a 6 year old write a better narrative.

Not even sure how this got called "emergent gameplay" in the first place, considering the miners have absolutely no legitimate way to counter it, but that's CCP for you.

So you're getting annoyed because people wont vote (and are against) for a guy who has made a bad in-game name for his self posted on a website that is pretty much there for epeen stroking and making fun of people???

Help or don't. That's totally your choice and whichever you chose is totally fine.

That's all that anyone can ask. But do you really need to express a judgement about him that seems to have no factual basis?

The rest of your post, no problem from my perspective.

However on this part, what bad in-game name has Avalloc made for himself?

Here's a link to his z-killboard (which includes Condordekken events now): https://zkillboard.com/character/1282041313/page/1/

He's not a ganker, he doesn't live in highsec or give anyone a hard time. He's never been Concorded and never killed anyone illegally in highsec.

He plays the game just the same as many, many other people play the game - with friends and without causing any stress or problems for other people.

Yet you've made a judgement that he's made bad in-game choices on what basis?

He's just a guy in need and members of the community have rallied around this as a way to help when for the most part, there is nothing we can do for him (or other members of the community in similar situations) on a daily basis.

Help or don't. That's totally your choice and whichever you chose is totally fine.

That's all that anyone can ask. But do you really need to express a judgement about him that seems to have no factual basis?

Both the goons and the site do great things, provide content etc etc but its at the expense of others a lot of the time and people cannot be expected to just forget all about that. If that makes sense? Do you ubderstand what I am saying? Trying to explain it as best I can without garbling words.

Basically, people in this thread are being called out for not supporting this endevour due to the names the people and sites have made for them. They're then being treat with disdain because they have aired that opinion...

Basically, people in this thread are being called out for not supporting this endevour due to the names the people and sites have made for them. They're then being treat with disdain because they have aired that opinion...

Yes, and I think what we are both saying in response is;

That's what they do ingame, but this is basically a charity appeal. Should two sides in a sport not come togethter for their community?



No one is being called out, the finger pointing is going in one direction, and I think its been pretty civil around here.
I caught myself on earlier, but then realised that this is not a thread to debate the moral inequities of the human condition :)

So, like vote for this guy, or dont. Happy Rabbitegg Day.

I appreciate your reply, and you are very polite, so I apologise if I have seemed rude. I do find the point that we share a similar view but from wildly different starting points to be fascinating.

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I think its confused in both directions. I think that a lot of people see the universe differently, and there are those who dont even believe that EvE is a roleplaying game at all.
I would like to discuss all this with you more, but I feel I have derailed far too much already. Sorry, everyone.

Tomorrow I'm going to spill carebear blood in Eve in Avalloc's name. I was going to explode them anyway to be honest, but now *reasons*.

Malcolm, just like everyone else, I respect your opinion (and also found some of the comments at mb distasteful, but that's par for the course unfortunately).

At the end of the day however, the important thing is that as many people are motivated to vote as possible, because helping Avalloc gain more mobility is an outcome that everyone in the community, no matter whether they vote or not, could probably applaud if it happens.

I'm all for personal choice and personal responsibility in game - for all players. However, I hope your post above isn't read as a challenge or attack by others and the thread runs off topic.

It would be great if we can keep this focused on helping Avalloc and not turn it into a thread that descends into something else.

You're right. My bad.

Playing the same game as I do does not make him any more qualified than any of the other contestants to get a vote from me. None of the contestants are any more qualified than the others to get my vote, so why should I pick him over all the others? Because Goonswarm likes him? Unfortunately for him, I don't like Goonswarm.

If Avalloc wins a van he has promised to get the custom license plate GOATSE.

Before Doc arrives and furiously points his finger at OOPE, I'm going to post this here first, in the hope that a few people read it and decide to vote before it's moved to die an unread death out of GD.

While you may sit on any side of the fence in relation to in game issues, please take a couple of minutes to read the linked blog post and help a fellow player out with just a few minutes of your time:

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/04/vote-avalloc.html

The whole CSM is a bigg joke it dos only favor the biggest alliaces, and the voting system they have been jusing to put forward things to ccp utterly flaved,newer going to suport delegats that dont respect democratic voting system.or CSM before this is changed so no 1 gets a vote from me

The whole CSM is a bigg joke it dos only favor the biggest alliaces, and the voting system they have been jusing to put forward things to ccp utterly flaved,newer going to suport delegats that dont respect democratic voting system.or CSM before this is changed so no 1 gets a vote from me

The whole CSM is a bigg joke it dos only favor the biggest alliaces, and the voting system they have been jusing to put forward things to ccp utterly flaved,newer going to suport delegats that dont respect democratic voting system.or CSM before this is changed so no 1 gets a vote from me

The whole CSM is a bigg joke i...

While I strongly +1 this initiative for fellow capsuleer in need I find it slightly shameful that people with such diseases are pushed toward popularity contest for something like that van. Geezus, it is a van with a wheelchair ramp/lift not a frakking spaceship, how much it would take out of "really important matters" budget to just provide one of them to everybody who needs it? Yeah, I know...

Wow. Miss Furry, you are a despicable human being. Not in game, in real life.

I went and voted for the guy, got 2 votes for answering a quiz question correctly. Hope he gets his ride and is able to have a little more mobility.

Vote for him, don't vote for him. If he loses it'll go to someone else who needs it probably just as much. But if you choose not to vote for him and come to this thread to tell everyone then it's pretty obvious you're doing it to be a vindictive shithead.

True...however - I see it as a situation where I can't do much for all those other people, but I now have an opportunity to give this guy a hand (and it's pretty easy...*type 4 registration fields one time -*click*...done). If I could, I'd get all those other people one, but for now I'll have to settle for doing a small thing for just one of them. Whatever one's opinion of the guy's online associations and/or choices of contribution is irrelevant. This is a RL issue and if one advocates for folks not to separate their game personas and actions from their RL person and actions, then it seems to me that one might be keen not to allow someone's ingame persona/actions/affiliations to prevent one from helping that person out IRL. As for the minerbumping.con thing - this issue has nothing to do with that site. That place was merely one vehicle of many used to spread the information.

You'd really not help someone out because "grr, goons"?

I don't even think PL would be on your side.

I've already explained my perspective, which has nothing to do with the reputation of minerbumping or Goonswarm or anyone else's reputation. Although, quite frankly, if my opinion of Goonswarm and their idiotic leadership had any weight in my decision not to, there would be a long list of reasons posted as to why there is no credibility behind their words when they claim someone is a "good guy". (do I even need to mention The Wiz?)

Guilt by association? Something Mittens did while wasted off his ass at Fanfest two ******* years ago, which was blown out of proportion by finger-wagging, pearl-clutching moral police like you somehow reflects on a group of over 10,000 members?

Newsflash: most of us are in Goonswarm because we like playing video games with other goons. Same reason people are in Dreddit because they like playing games with other Redditors. I took a directorate position because I wanted to help other goons enjoy this silly game, not because I wanted to kiss Mittens' ass.

If you're not voting because you dislike the idea of picking one stranger out of many in need of something that will improve their quality of life, that's your prerogative and nobody should blame you for that. But that obviously isn't the case and you're making an ass of yourself by posting vitriolic grrgoons garbage about a dude who had nothing to do with any of the crap that different people with an alliance tag did at some point.

tl;dr: we get it, you hate goons, now fly away

Well, if you gave each one of them the same number of votes every time you went to the site, you would defeat the purpose of voting in the first place.

Naturally, you have to pick one.

I've already explained my perspective, which has nothing to do with the reputation of minerbumping or Goonswarm or anyone else's reputation.

You need to learn how to control your emotions; you're getting hysterical. You clearly have little experience with drinking, or you would understand just HOW your actions are affected by it. Alcohol doesn't automatically transform you into a cockbag. Certain aspects of your personality remain with you no matter how much you drink. I've been pissed to the point of turning different colors, and still been considered a very polite individual. Mittani wasn't even that drunk, he's just an idiot. And since he represents your entire alliance(and proves himself to be an idiot continuously, regardless of Fan Fest), you will all wear that label publicly to many no matter how much whining you do about it.

Yeees.....you are indeed correct...but...I didn't say anything about vote distribution...I said if I could, I would get them all one (a van), but that I could not, so I could at least do something for one of them...

Alright, since the thread has been moved to the "doomed to extinction" forum, time to wind up the toy car and let go...

you should un-bury the link by the way http://www.mobilityawarenessmonth.com/entrant/brian-haines-cincinnati-oh/

While I strongly +1 this initiative for fellow capsuleer in need I find it slightly shameful that people with such diseases are pushed toward popularity contest for something like that van. Geezus, it is a van with a wheelchair ramp/lift not a frakking spaceship, how much it would take out of "really important matters" budget to just provide one of them to everybody who needs it? Yeah, I know...

Thank you for the support, everyone. I feel blessed being a member of such an amazing community.

Miss Furry you are way out of line. Coming here to tell people they're stuck up is worse than them being stuck up because they aren't getting in anyone's way, but you are getting in their way. Plus, I think you're wrong about the people here.

I voted for the guy. It puts him one vote closer to that chair, and it puts me one click closer to being a part of my local community (EVE Online). It wasn't a vote to make the world a better place, it was a vote to say I care about you people.

If it was you trying to get that van, I'd cast a vote for you. I don't mind that you had a rage fit here. That's not important. What is important is that you and everyone else here is happy. I hope you can see that and be a bit more civil to these people.

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