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PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:19:00 -
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Personally, I hope they introduce a siphon that can steal from complex reactors. |

PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:51:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Shydow Lugia wrote:Risk.
Versus.
Reward. Biggest. Lie. in. Game. Seriously, I love it when people trot this gem out. Let me ask you a question: is lowsec mining MORE or LESS profitable than nullsec mining? Because actual risk is much greater mining in low sec than in null. But profits are much higher renting space in null. And depending on where you're renting, the odds of having to deal with unexpected PvP are pretty remote. This might be a fair point tbh. The risk in low is often greater than in null for certain activities. |

PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.04.23 18:58:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:So why do people not have to pay a fuel cost to run the siphons? Why do they get to run for free? They don't have to do any real setup, they don't have to fight The fuel cell cost is integrated into the siphon package, thats why they cost 11-15 mil.
Also, I would totally love it if my siphons got a reinforcement timer so that I could actually show up to fight for them, instead of them just getting blapped in a minute by the first guy to man the pos guns. Say a 4-6 hour reinforcement timer. |

PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:21:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:So why do people not have to pay a fuel cost to run the siphons? Why do they get to run for free? They don't have to do any real setup, they don't have to fight The fuel cell cost is integrated into the siphon package, thats why they cost 11-15 mil. Also, I would totally love it if my siphons got a reinforcement timer so that I could actually show up to fight for them, instead of them just getting blapped in a minute by the first guy to man the pos guns. Say a 4-6 hour reinforcement timer. So a one off cost is comparable to an ongoing maintenance, and the fact that it pays for itself in under a day sounds like a reasonable price? And while a reinforcement timer would help encourage fights, at the rate they can be scattered out across moons it would mean people have hundreds of timers to contest with all day. So you're saying it is/would be harder for large entities and coalitions to maintain control over the flow of moon minerals, thereby breaking up the cartel dynamics that have been in play for years?
*AHEM*
Working as intended. |

PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:45:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:No, I'm saying it provides risk averse people with a risk free way of making passive income with nearly no effort, Yes, flying into a 50,000 character coalitions space, bypassing gatecamps, defense fleets, lighting up intel channels, etc., flying up to a gunned tower with modules that have a random (between 1 and 30 second) delay time (god help you if you lag a bit), anchoring a module, and looting said anchored modules at a precisely predictable location EACH F****** TIME is RISK FREE.
Definitely less risky then being faceless member #47239 of huge coalition X and following orders like a good little munchkin. 
While coalitions may deserve credit for securing their space, of the two (the siphoner versus random faceless coalition member #47239), the siphoner takes a far greater risk in his day to day operations. |

PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.04.23 20:52:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Which is great, except ALL of that requires thousands of people working together, working to provide our level of safety. Doesn't matter how it was generated, defense fleets, intel channels, gatecamps, all are a risk. This point does nothing to support the assertion that siphoners are risk averse. Sure, you worked to make your space risky, no debate. Good job. Next.
Lucas Kell wrote:That is a completely different thing to the risk aversion of people who want the game to naturally provide them ways to avoid all risk. Straw man, no one said that anywhere, you're misrepresenting my postilion. Next.
Lucas Kell wrote: You want to be able to run around, on your own with absolutely no risk dragging in heaps of income without having to risk a damn thing and without having to interact with anyone else.
Straw man again. I never said that anywhere. Also: Heaps of income = the 30 mil isk of profit from prom I stuff in my cloaky hauler after a good siphon run. Without having to risk a damn = The 130 mil isk fully fit viator used to do so that will, at some point, get caught in a trap or gatecamp.
Lucas Kell wrote: Well guess what buddy, it's a multiplayer game. If you just want to play a solo game, you wont't get all the rewards.
Straw man. A solo game was never implied. Quite the opposite, siphons benefit massivley from an organized team effort.
Lucas Kell wrote: And no, the siphoner risks absolutely nothing in a covops hauler dumping a structure that is cheap enough to effectively be called free for passive income.
Covops Hauler = 130 mil fully fit. = No risk "Passive" income = running 60 mil of goo out of hostile space, 30 mil of which go to cover expenses.
The ONLY real reason to siphon atm is to generate all of the delicious tears quoted above. |

PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.04.23 21:48:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: while you, running solo think you should be showered with riches for running and hiding. Sticking with the straw man, eh? ThatGÇÖs a bold move Cotton, letGÇÖs see if it pays off. |

PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.04.23 22:35:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:while you, running solo think you should be showered with riches for running and hiding. So, still sticking with that straw man argument to completely misrepresent my position then....
That is a good choice and contributes to a healthy discussion. You should be commended for the effort . |
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