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Mishima	Posted - 2006.05.16 05:44:00 - [1] Yeah smartbombs are useless to fit on battleship as a counter to drones. Since all drones got a hp boost using smartbombs against them is worse than nothing. Idea: give smartbombs a damage-bonus vs. drones. I love x-mas :D
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.05.16 06:18:00 - [2] Edited by: Kel Shek on 16/05/2006 06:18:37 Originally by: Mishima Yeah smartbombs are useless to fit on battleship as a counter to drones. Since all drones got a hp boost using smartbombs against them is worse than nothing. Idea: give smartbombs a damage-bonus vs. drones. /me hides his drone ships and T2 drones I see no problem here to be solved. seems fine to me. really though... smartbombs indeed suck, but they shouldn't be a wtfpwn button against drone ships either... I've heard non-droners claiming it as a valid counter, and I've heard others on both sides say that the HP bonuses and drone durability make the drones tough enough that its not viable. maybe make it have an effect relative to sig radius in some way? honestly I'm not sure wether that'd be good or bad, but it seems "logical", after a fashion. ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.05.16 06:28:00 - [3] I have to ask this. How many smart bombs are you useing? 1? 4? 8? Smart bombs are just like missles/guns/proj..... by them selves they don't do that much damage. put 8 on a BS, and they do a lot. How high is your Energy Pulse Weapons skill? lvl 1? this skill alone will decrease the time between pulses by 25%. Other skills affect it. Also what type of drones are you testing this against? NPC drones, or other playeres drones? if other players, what kind are they? T1? T2. If player, then what kinda of drone skills does the other player have. Yes Smartbombs start out low damage. but with the right skills they can be a lot more effective. Small PvE/PvP Corp looking for Members. 2-10Mill SP. Click for details.
Mishima	Posted - 2006.05.16 23:45:00 - [4] oh plz if you fit one named bomb with smartbombs lvl4 you will need about 10 blows to kill a heavy drone wich is prolly about 150% of your cap bombs need ballancing I love x-mas :D
Foulis	Posted - 2006.05.17 00:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Mishima Yeah smartbombs are useless to fit on battleship as a counter to drones. Since all drones got a hp boost using smartbombs against them is worse than nothing. Idea: give smartbombs a damage-bonus vs. drones. raven + rack of SBs + 13 inties = 13 dead inties. I don't see how 2 can't take out drones =D. ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.05.17 00:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Mishima oh plz if you fit one named bomb with smartbombs lvl4 you will need about 10 blows to kill a heavy drone wich is prolly about 150% of your cap bombs need ballancing considering you can do that sorta damage to ALL of them at once, ... and any other things within the radius, by YOUR description they sound perfectly fine. can I have a weapon that has a 2 minute cycle, and after that 2 minutes, all YOUR weapons go offline, and be able to fit more than one to greatly reduce how long the charge up is? ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Morrigan Starlover	Posted - 2006.05.17 00:25:00 - [7] USE ECM DRONES AS ANTI-DRONES AND STOP ASKING FOR NERFS
Mishima	Posted - 2006.05.18 05:03:00 - [8] All I'm saying make it like it was in the beginning. When the 10drone max was removed, all drones got a hp bonus also you can get more hp for your drones training various skills and your ships also give your drones more hp. Smartbombs were designed as anti-missile anti-drone and now they are useless unless you put a full rack of them on yourself. Give them a damagebonus to drones. ------ and please stop theory stratting out of topic. It's like saying: light neutron Blasters need more damage no just put 8x magnetic fied stabs in lows on ur geddon. anything can be solved like this so plz stop it you retards I love x-mas :D
Talos Munjab	Posted - 2006.05.18 05:13:00 - [9] look its simple, you can only fly 5 drones now the domi could fly 15, thats a big change so what your saying is you want drones to have the same hp as before even tho there are less of them... a lot less. yes skills help make it even again, but the skills only increase your drone hp by 5% per lv and its a rank 5 skill so unless your in a dedicated drone carrier which should have this type of bonus your drones over the average ie total hp for 5 post patch and 15 for pre patch means theres less hp on the post patch, so stop complaining
Mishima	Posted - 2006.05.18 05:18:00 - [10] It's simple really. You put a bomb in the last slot on your geddon/megathron and you wont use it against drones. When fighting dommies/phoons/geddons/throns b4 this kinky patch you would. Last highslot bombs are good for nothing. I love x-mas :D
Darken Two	Posted - 2006.05.18 06:10:00 - [11] Gimnme a weapon thats easy to fit on my dominix and that can destroy turrets and missle bays on my opponents ships. You can have you smart bomb bonus, right after that. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.05.18 06:21:00 - [12] i'd like to see a significant cap usage reduction on them --------------------------------
Akoudoulos	Posted - 2006.05.18 06:26:00 - [13] Edited by: Akoudoulos on 18/05/2006 06:26:47 Originally by: Darken Two Gimnme a weapon thats easy to fit on my dominix and that can destroy turrets and missle bays on my opponents ships. You can have you smart bomb bonus, right after that. QFT
Morrigan Starlover	Posted - 2006.05.18 06:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Darken Two Gimnme a weapon thats easy to fit on my dominix and that can destroy turrets and missle bays on my opponents ships. You can have you smart bomb bonus, right after that. Despite the fact that you can negate drone damage with your own ECM drones, this guy wants 1 smartbomb to counter any number of drones attacking him. Thats a sweet idea. Another sweet idea would be to make a specialized defender missile turret that shot down all incoming missiles. God that would be so intelligent and balanced, just like 1 smartbomb countering all drones.
Darken Two	Posted - 2006.05.18 07:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Morrigan Starlover Originally by: Darken Two Gimnme a weapon thats easy to fit on my dominix and that can destroy turrets and missle bays on my opponents ships. You can have you smart bomb bonus, right after that. Despite the fact that you can negate drone damage with your own ECM drones, this guy wants 1 smartbomb to counter any number of drones attacking him. Thats a sweet idea. Another sweet idea would be to make a specialized defender missile turret that shot down all incoming missiles. God that would be so intelligent and balanced, just like 1 smartbomb countering all drones. Well you see in the old days, I would have said he had a decent idea. But now that the Gallente are finally getting ships with drone binuses, like the ishtar and dominix, its stupid that our primary weapon system can be easily destoyed by a couple of smart bombs. As it stands now, the smartbombs, take quite a few cycles to kill my drones and that is a risk I'm willing to take but giving the smartbombs a bonus to damage vs drones is beyond ridiculous. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.05.18 07:48:00 - [16] Smartbombs were originally good at taking out drones. And by good I mean one or two hits. Now that drones have their bonuses, drones on non-drone-specialised ships have a lot weaker drones than those on the Ishtar or Domi. This is entirely by design, the drone specialist ships have drones that are hard to kill. Regardless, an interceptor with a sensor booster and a web should be able to take out drones pretty easilly, even those from a drone ship. And if they recall the drones, their transverse velocitoy goes way down and they will be easier to hit. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Tehyarec	Posted - 2006.05.18 08:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Nyphur And if they recall the drones, their transverse velocitoy goes way down and they will be easier to hit. Not to mention that if the drone ship happens to be moving away from the drones when the drones are recalled, there's a 90% chance the buggers just stay stuck outside scoop range and thus move at the ship's speed, which in case of most drone ships is SLOW - and makes the drones easy pickings Stupid bugs.
Dark PIne	Posted - 2006.05.18 09:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Foulis raven + rack of SBs + 13 inties = 13 dead inties. I don't see how 2 can't take out drones =D. Nerf Raven!!! Originally by: Maya Rkell 1v1, for BS, is an abberant situation and you must not balance for it.
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.05.18 09:59:00 - [19] Could I please have a turret that destroy your turrets in like... one or two hits? New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards)
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.05.18 10:06:00 - [20] Originally by: Ithildin Could I please have a turret that destroy your turrets in like... one or two hits? Only if I get to have a spare rack of turrets, a rack of medium turrets and a rack of small turrets all at the same time (with one rack active at a time) :p. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Teles666	Posted - 2006.05.18 10:10:00 - [21] The idea that double hp drones should mean double hp SB's has merit - but you ignore what else changed. Drones are now a viable weapon system - they require a lot of skill points, not as many as turrets but more than missiles to be effective. Considering that this is now a primary weapon system why do you think you should be able to wipe it away with some spare slot module? You can't do it with turrets or missiles so nor should you do it with drones. You can't go back - too many things have changed, many millions of SP's have been added.
Aramendel	Posted - 2006.05.18 10:15:00 - [22] Without saying "yes" or "no" to the smartbomb chnage suggestion (although those are relatively useless atm): This "gimme a weapon which can destroy turrets, etc" argument is quite dumb. Turrets and Drones are different things with different strengths and weaknesses. They can be destroyed, but, you know, have no real problems with tracking, use no cap and are effeciently immune by ECM. Except by ECM drones, but that argument is moderately silly in itself, since non-drone specialized ships have a limited dronebay, aka usually simply no room for ecm drones, and even if they have them usually not as many as a drone specialized ship has drones - and guess what un-ecmed attack drones can do to ecm drones?
Darken Two	Posted - 2006.05.18 11:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Aramendel Without saying "yes" or "no" to the smartbomb chnage suggestion (although those are relatively useless atm): This "gimme a weapon which can destroy turrets, etc" argument is quite dumb. Turrets and Drones are different things with different strengths and weaknesses. They can be destroyed, but, you know, have no real problems with tracking, use no cap and are effeciently immune by ECM. Except by ECM drones, but that argument is moderately silly in itself, since non-drone specialized ships have a limited dronebay, aka usually simply no room for ecm drones, and even if they have them usually not as many as a drone specialized ship has drones - and guess what un-ecmed attack drones can do to ecm drones? Yea what you said is true, but the ops suggested SB boost will make sure that drones cannot be used as a primary weapon system. If such a boost happened, every tom ** and harry would have SB in their spare slots and destroy drones which are teh primary weapon system on 3 gallente ships. And the gallente ships with drone bonus, usually have no grid for high end weapons and are quite low damage because of the drone bonuses. Here a compromise, the op can have teh SB bonus if the domi can have an extra bonus that allows me to destroy other peoples turrets and launchers. Originally by:** Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.18 11:09:00 - [24] I always thought of them as anti-pod myself. Fear the Ibis of doom!
stingy CEO	Posted - 2006.05.18 11:12:00 - [25] two smartbomb instead of one.... cap injector setups make that possible + the pod doesnt get away :)
Laboratus	Posted - 2006.05.18 11:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Aramendel Without saying "yes" or "no" to the smartbomb chnage suggestion (although those are relatively useless atm): This "gimme a weapon which can destroy turrets, etc" argument is quite dumb. Turrets and Drones are different things with different strengths and weaknesses. They can be destroyed, but, you know, have no real problems with tracking, use no cap and are effeciently immune by ECM. Except by ECM drones, but that argument is moderately silly in itself, since non-drone specialized ships have a limited dronebay, aka usually simply no room for ecm drones, and even if they have them usually not as many as a drone specialized ship has drones - and guess what un-ecmed attack drones can do to ecm drones? Almost any ship that needs anti drone support has a drone bay of 25m3 and as such can carry the 5 ecm drones needed to render attacking drones useless. An alternative approach may be to use ecm bursts fitting a few of these enables you to brake the drones lock and as such limits the amount of damage they do to you. Another alternative is to simply get light drones and to pwn the drones with those. Or pwn them with light blasters or other small short range guns. Really there are a lot of different ways of canceling any threat that is out there. Personally I don't use a drone carrier, and as such eaven if the smart bombs would get a boost it wouldn't cos me anything. As such I think it would be a great idea to give the smartbombs a lower energy cost, lower cycle time, 100% more range and 100% more damage. I'd always fit one to say buh-bye to gate camping frigs. And incoming missiles. And drones. But let's just face it. It ain't gonna happen. The drones got an excelent fix in RMR. drone bay sizes dropped significantly, and as a balancing feature, they take more damage. The total hp amount a single ship can carry in drones stays the same. As such, the balance is maintained. If anything drones became easier to destroy. The longest part of wiping out drones is locking them. Once you get a lock they are history. Now you have to wait 2 to 3 times less to get those pesky things out of the sky. I've noticed that eaven with uber boosted sensors and amps it still takes 30s to lock one. Anyways, as a summary, drones were nerfd and need love not more nerfs. Nowdays they are easier to destroy and need more skills then before. No whining plz.
Mishima	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Darken Two Gimnme a weapon thats easy to fit on my dominix and that can destroy turrets and missle bays on my opponents ships. You can have you smart bomb bonus, right after that. Trackin disruptors/smartbombs. noob I love x-mas :D
Morrigan Starlover	Posted - 2006.05.18 18:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Ithildin Could I please have a turret that destroy your turrets in like... one or two hits? Only if I get to have a spare rack of turrets, a rack of medium turrets and a rack of small turrets all at the same time (with one rack active at a time) :p. I am happy to inform you sir that all battleships have a drone bay. You're welcome!
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.05.18 18:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Morrigan Starlover Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Ithildin Could I please have a turret that destroy your turrets in like... one or two hits? Only if I get to have a spare rack of turrets, a rack of medium turrets and a rack of small turrets all at the same time (with one rack active at a time) :p. I am happy to inform you sir that all battleships have a drone bay. You're welcome! Not all of them have a drone bay that can field a full load of light and medium drones, forget the large ones. But that's beside the point, I was just poking fun. Drones ftw \o/. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.05.18 18:41:00 - [30] just give me the Smartbombs from Ascendancy.

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