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Dalyn Arathon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:43:00 -
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I'm betting that by the time you read this, you'll probably have read the news article about Blaque's speech in Huermont.
Fourteen thousand Gallente died in the attack. Step back for a second, and consider this: If the Gallente had not started the war, none of their citizens would ever have died. If they had not killed the hundreds of thousands of people on Cadari Prime, we would never have attacked their own homeworld. They speak of sacrifice, but what would they know, as their rats' paws scuttrer across our shattered world? They claim to be the great humanitarians. Where was their humanity when Caldari Prime burned? Let them give us back our dead, and on that day will the fault of the dead of Huermont belong to anyone but the Gallente themselves.
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Vendrin on 16/05/2006 19:52:16
While I respect your enthusiasm and your patriotism Mr. Arathon, the Caldari were the first to start the chain of events leading to the Admiral's valiant last act. Caldari destroyed the underwater city of Nouvelle Reouner killing thousands, and while the bombardment on Caldari Prime killed many, many more and was not an appropriate response, the cause of the war lies on both sides in the end.
Still, by bombarding Caldari Prime, the Gallente showed who did the worst of the actions, and who was in the right in this war.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Shemar on 16/05/2006 19:51:53
 Originally by: Dalyn Arathon
Where was their humanity when Caldari Prime burned? Let them give us back our dead, and on that day will the fault of the dead of Huermont belong to anyone but the Gallente themselves.
It was the Caldari that were the first to mass murder innocent civilians in Nouvelle Rouvenor. Over half a million, according to my historical references. Selective memory appears to be a genetic trait of the Caldari. 
Edit: As I was sending this message at the same time as Vendrin, I am forced to amend. Not all Caldari. Apologies.
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Fergus MacGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:14:00 -
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I personally took the time to visit the speeches, and that man certainly knows how to hold the crowd's interest. I wouldn't be surprised if he was merely bringing into the spotlight the opinions of the millions there, rather than inciting them to take those positions, from the reactions and discussions I saw and heard afterwards. |
Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:23:00 -
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People do funny things when backed into a corner. Blockading the whole planet and expecting the Caldari to just sit there and take it was foolish. But then again, so is drowning a city.
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Able Citizen
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:06:00 -
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Brother Dalyn,
I would highlight the fact that the elites that exist in BOTH of our race's governments have more in common with each other than they do with the individuals that they are supposed to represent.
Witness the polemic, partisan remarks of Senator Audrey Rairix as she attempts to stir up political dissent against Senator Blaque. Meanwhile, she and the Senator she accuses share the same table at mealtime, I'm sure, while you and I fight across nationalistic fervor to subdue each other.
Those devils that sit in the seats of power in the Federation know nothing of sacrifice and pride in one's country until they have lived the lives that we have lived, brother.
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Alexi Borizkova
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:18:00 -
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To the end of my days, I will never cease to be astounded by how quickly and easily some people can compare the brash and foolish actions of a few guerillas (as tragic as the outcome might be) to the cold and calculated plan of genocide that a planetary government concocted as a response to teh actions of these few men and women.
There is a difference between the fevered decisions of overzealous murderers and governmental policy dictated in safety, behind closed doors, and on a senate floor.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.17 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
Selective memory appears to be a genetic trait of the Caldari.
There's enough irony in that statement to fill my railgun clips.
maybe you wouldn't mind having your world blockaded and your people made to suffer. Be sure to let me know what you think of it when Blaque starts a war with the Caldari, and we cleave a path through your decrept and decaying Federation.
Provided you don't wear yourselves out keeping the Intaki under your boot.
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2006.05.17 01:50:00 -
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The only hypocrisy I see is in the Caldari who seek to criticize the Federation for recognizing the tragedy that befell the citizens and soldiers who died as a result of Admiral Yakia Tovil-Toba's suicide rampage into the city of Hueromont, and yet hold ceremonies at Caldari Prime for their own in a similar fashion. This blatant narrow-mindedness and selfish bigotry is precisely why I can't help but agree now more than ever with Mr. Blaque's advice to Gallentean citizens to, "continue engaging in meaningful dialogue about our Federation and the citizenĘs duty to saf3guard his homeland."
Federation citizens need to open their eyes and recognize the dangers prevalent in today's uncertain climate, and mindful of the dangers that threaten the nation not only from external threats but those who seek to unravel it from within. I speak for myself when I say I'll "remember the sacrifices given by those who came before".
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Tarquin Tarquinius
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Posted - 2006.05.17 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tarquin Tarquinius on 17/05/2006 03:18:41
I thought Senator Blaque's statements were disrespectful and in very bad taste. It seems that if he wins the election the Federation will be put on a path to war in my opinion.
I think I like the guy. He's got my vote. Or at least he would if I voted.
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Steiner
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Posted - 2006.05.17 03:38:00 -
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It all started when a Gallente exploration ship happened upon one of the hidden Caldari colonies. When the Federation Senate learned of this they demanded a full-scale investigation into the matter and that all hidden Caldari colonies should immediately been put under Federation authority. This was too much for the Caldari Corporations, which were already grumbling over increasing Federation interference into their affairs. For the Caldari it was a simple question of losing their autonomy forever by caving in or making a stand right then and there. They decided to make a stand.
Does that tell us anything?
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.05.17 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Steiner
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It all started when a Gallente exploration ship happened upon one of the hidden Caldari colonies. When the Federation Senate learned of this they demanded a full-scale investigation into the matter and that all hidden Caldari colonies should immediately been put under Federation authority. This was too much for the Caldari Corporations, which were already grumbling over increasing Federation interference into their affairs. For the Caldari it was a simple question of losing their autonomy forever by caving in or making a stand right then and there. They decided to make a stand.
Does that tell us anything?
Yes, that the Caldari sign treaties with one hand while already breaking them with the other.
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James Duar
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Posted - 2006.05.17 09:29:00 -
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If men like Blaque can win power in elections then I'm going to be getting the hell out of dodge in Empire space before he has time to do anything foolish, and I'd advise patriots on both Gallente and Caldari sides to do the same - bringing with them as many as can be carried. Another war will serve nothing to burn to the ground all that has been accomplished since the last one.
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Camar
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Posted - 2006.05.17 10:02:00 -
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So, the Caldari do not fancy the view of being forced into submission by the Federation and think that massmurder is okey to stop it.
Yet so many loyalist-caldari scream and shout against minmatars doing whatever in their power to inflict damage upon the empire. Yes, I think the word hypocrisy would be a suitable word there as well
A little scenario, say the Amarr manage to reclaim the matari, do you REALLY think they would ally with the Caldari to crush the gallente? Would it not be better to ally yourself with a, as the caldari claims, inferior technology to subdue the caldari first? And THEN with the power of both matari/caldari subdue the gallente.
Humz, perhaps that was longterm thinking. Longterm thinking and quick profit does not very often go hand in hand.
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Elrianmk2
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Posted - 2006.05.17 11:05:00 -
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Once again the Caldari show there arrogance and ignorance.
Do you not hold memorials to your "gallante" captain who's suicidal rage destroyed thousands of lives?
Did your CEO's not deliberatly set out to break the ties that bound us as one people, a decision made behind closed doors and in a safe place?
Yet i find myself asking "Why does this rant surprise me?" Could this be because i have worked with some very competent and good Caldari. I keep forgetting that those genocidal idiots out there will seek any opertunities they can find to shed blood. The only difference between these cries of hate and a pirate is that a pirate does not try to claim that he is doing it for the very people who will be slaughtered for thier actions.
Blaque would never get my vote, but given a choice between him and the slaughter of the people of the federation, well i would defend the people of the federation. Once the Cadari violate a treaty that they signed up to i will defend my people. Untill then i will do my best to supply and assist all those who remain civil to my corperation and our interests.
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Steiner
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Posted - 2006.05.17 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Elrianmk2
I keep forgetting that those genocidal idiots out there will seek any opertunities they can find to shed blood. The only difference between these cries of hate and a pirate is that a pirate does not try to claim that he is doing it for the very people who will be slaughtered for thier actions.
That indeed describes the Federation at that time.
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Steiner
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Posted - 2006.05.17 12:54:00 -
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and just because I love quoting.
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In the end the Gallente population on the planet had to pay the price for the FederationĘs indecisiveness.
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[Nouvelle Rouvenor] the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet.
Maybe they should have acted sooner to prevent this accident. But then the world wouldn't be the same.
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Zevrik
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Posted - 2006.05.17 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
The only hypocrisy I see is in the Caldari who seek to criticize the Federation for recognizing the tragedy that befell the citizens and soldiers who died as a result of Admiral Yakia Tovil-Toba's suicide rampage into the city of Hueromont, and yet hold ceremonies at Caldari Prime for their own in a similar fashion.
We hold the ceremony at Caldari Prime to honor those that had fallen, nothing else. Your Senator didn't visit Hueromont to have a picnic, he used the tragedy as a political maneuver to gain popularity for the election, a move that shows no respect for the brave warriors that had fallen.
Do not compare your Senator's circus act with a solemn ceremony where we hail those who haved served the state of old.
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2006.05.17 14:53:00 -
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Now who's being naive?
The originator of this discussion is suggesting we aren't allowed to mourn our dead because we deserved it.
If there are enough of these bigots wandering about the State, then Blaque was right to bring this attention to the citizens of the Federation. The people are trying to move on yet every step taken the Caldari make issue of the past, and now that we take notice we're being insensitive for recognizing those lost at Hueromont.
Quite frankly, I'm tired of tip-toeing around the subject and I'm glad someone has the guts to stand up and remind the nation of the sacrifices it's made. If that makes you uncomfortable, remind yourselves why war is such a horrible avenue to pursue next time you start rattling your sabres crying for revenge.
It's about time the nations citizens sat upright and remember[ed] the sacrifices given by those who came before.
-Kaleigh
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Exioce
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Posted - 2006.05.17 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Zevrik
Do not compare your Senator's circus act with a solemn ceremony where we hail those who haved served the state of old.
yes, because you Caldari are such an honest and honourable race - that whole keeping colonies secret from a Federation you were members of must just be an imagining of ours
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Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.05.17 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
The only hypocrisy I see is in the Caldari who seek to criticize the Federation for recognizing the tragedy that befell the citizens and soldiers who died as a result of Admiral Yakia Tovil-Toba's suicide rampage into the city of Hueromont, and yet hold ceremonies at Caldari Prime for their own in a similar fashion. This blatant narrow-mindedness and selfish bigotry is precisely why I can't help but agree now more than ever with Mr. Blaque's advice to Gallentean citizens to, "continue engaging in meaningful dialogue about our Federation and the citizenĘs duty to saf3guard his homeland."
Federation citizens need to open their eyes and recognize the dangers prevalent in today's uncertain climate, and mindful of the dangers that threaten the nation not only from external threats but those who seek to unravel it from within. I speak for myself when I say I'll "remember the sacrifices given by those who came before".
xoxo
Since you wern't there and I was the arranger of said event, I'll just fill you in on the detail that it was for everyone who died but primarily for our forebearers that died to defend our sovreignty.
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2006.05.17 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
Since you wern't there and I was the arranger of said event, I'll just fill you in on the detail that it was for everyone who died but primarily for our forebearers that died to defend our sovreignty.
And there are many, including within the government who feel it was nothing more than a rallying point for renewed violence and hatred against the Federation, despite efforts to soothe the already turbulent political climate with the State.
Mr. Blaque's speech was addressing the public in remembering the victims of Admiral Yakia Tovil-Toba's suicide assault on the residents of Hueromont, and reminding the Federation of events that shaped its past. Regardless of whether individuals see it as a political circus or not is entirely irrelevant to the originator of this discussion as supposedly we they don't deserve rememberance at all.
It's this kind of hypocritcal behavior that engenders further disparragement between our people and will continue to do so if such individuals are allowed to spread their bigotry.
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Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.05.17 16:25:00 -
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If I recall correctly, we had so much harrastment from the Gallente in system that we had to switch to a private channel. Not to mention the Coreli fleet, who was in Cyrene at the time, Armed to the teeth. If anyone was pushing hatred and bigotry, it was the Luminaire locals.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.05.17 17:11:00 -
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The only foolishness I see is tearing up these almost two hundred year old wounds for political gain.
This goes for all of you throwing snide comments at each other in this thread.
I don't know what Mr. Blaque thinks he is going to gain from this, but it certainly isn't a cordial relationship with the Caldari State.
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Unuthiel
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Posted - 2006.05.17 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Unuthiel on 17/05/2006 18:12:53
Originally by: Exioce
Originally by: Zevrik
Do not compare your Senator's circus act with a solemn ceremony where we hail those who haved served the state of old.
yes, because you Caldari are such an honest and honourable race - that whole keeping colonies secret from a Federation you were members of must just be an imagining of ours
Try again. The colonies in question were begun about 300 years before the Caldari were members of your Federation. Why should they turn over colonies the Gallente had absolutely nothing to do with in any way, shape, or form?
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Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallenteans and the Caldari some three hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari Corporations had started their own inter-stellar surveying and colonization, separate from those conducted by the Gallenteans. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterĘs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2006.05.17 20:10:00 -
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What seems often forgotten in the finger pointing is that the attack on Nouvelle Reouner was perpetrated by extremists, not elements of any Caldari government. It was just used as an excuse for the later Gallente atrocities. Its akin to blaming the Gallente because pirates infest Placid. Should everyone who loses a ship there declare war on the federation for 'killing' thier crewmen? It's absurd.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.05.17 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Night
The act of a few terrorists is not a good excuse to commit genocide.
I would love to accept that as the dominant Caldari attitude towards the tragic event, however some of the more prominent Caldari paramilitaries have recently called the same men you call 'terrorists', 'heroes'.
I am sure you understand why with such conflicting attitudes resonating from the Caldari side many of us citizens of the Federation would rather err on the side of caution and assume the worst.
After all, it is common practice with Caldari rhetoric to blame the Gellente population for the orbital bombardment of Caldari Prime and not the fascist government that the population themselves overthrew, so you shouldn't be surpised to find Gallente assuming that most Caldari not only approve of the "Nouvelle Reouner" incident, but are likely to want to see it repeated.
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Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.05.17 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 17/05/2006 22:24:33
Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: Silver Night
The act of a few terrorists is not a good excuse to commit genocide.
I would love to accept that as the dominant Caldari attitude towards the tragic event, however some of the more prominent Caldari paramilitaries have recently called the same men you call 'terrorists', 'heroes'.
I am sure you understand why with such conflicting attitudes resonating from the Caldari side many of us citizens of the Federation would rather err on the side of caution and assume the worst.
After all, it is common practice with Caldari rhetoric to blame the Gellente population for the orbital bombardment of Caldari Prime and not the fascist government that the population themselves overthrew, so you shouldn't be surpised to find Gallente assuming that most Caldari not only approve of the "Nouvelle Reouner" incident, but are likely to want to see it repeated.
The difference was that they were elected to those positions BY the Gallente population. The ones who destroyed Nouvelle Reouner were people operating without any authority from any Caldari government body. Besides, the only reason they were overthrown was because of the massive losses and the Hueromont Incident changeing the public opinion against them. They were only thrown out because they were loosing the war.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:30:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 18/05/2006 01:34:20
Originally by: Elrianmk2
Once again the Caldari show there arrogance and ignorance.
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Did your CEO's not deliberatly set out to break the ties that bound us as one people, a decision made behind closed doors and in a safe place?
Yes, the CEOs decided they'd had enough of the bull**** treatment the Gallente were giving them, and when the Federation found out we had other colonies, they realized they lost their grip on us, blockaded Caldari Prime, causing millions, if not billions to suffer, and provoking the reaction of a Carrier being dropped on a city of yours, which met the reaction of a well-planned orbital bombardment killing far more than your 'tragedy'.
The colonies had nothing to do with your Federation, other than the fact that your people's reaction to their discovery only proved that your government wants to try to rule over the Caldari.
The Gallente idea of 'equality' is all Gallente get to be on top, and anyone else can serve them.
Your Federation can kiss my ass, as can your presidental hopeful. He will be the death of your Federation, something long overdue.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
After all, it is common practice with Caldari rhetoric to blame the Gellente population for the orbital bombardment of Caldari Prime and not the fascist government that the population themselves overthrew, so you shouldn't be surpised to find Gallente assuming that most Caldari not only approve of the "Nouvelle Reouner" incident, but are likely to want to see it repeated.
Your leaders are a reflection of your people, or are you telling me the lections in the Federation as as big a joke as so many other aspects of it?
If a war-morgerer like Blaque is made your leader, you Gallente will haven shown the rest of the cluster just what kind of people you are, and that you can forget your own history, despite the absurd comments people like yourself make.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:45:00 -
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When you all decide if the "Nouvelle Reouner" atrocity was perpetrated by terrorists or 'heroes' let me know and I'll bother to comment. As long as you keep trying to play it both ways I am not going to bother.
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Arron S
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Posted - 2006.05.18 07:01:00 -
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Your leaders are a reflection of your people, or are you telling me the elections in the Federation as as big a joke as so many other aspects of it?
If a war-morgerer like Blaque is made your leader, you Gallente will haven shown the rest of the cluster just what kind of people you are, and that you can forget your own history, despite the absurd comments people like yourself make.
Unlike the CEO's in the Caldari state who get into power by Devine right or been born with the silver spoon in their mouth. Except the CEO of Ishukone he kinda pop out of no where, I think he's a Jove!
Polictitions in a democratic federation have to Lie and Manipulate their way into power. And this speech in Huermont is just another prime exsample of this
And they CAN easily manipulate people into going to war with someone. Just by using terms like "Patriotic Duty" and "Freedom" etc. Can easily get brain dead people to support them.. Although using Fear and stuff really gets people going.
And allot of the times people like Blaque are just puppets of the rich elite in the federation. And when they goto war, its not the rich elite fighting its the poor who end up doing the fighting.
Also you should be aware of the Galente Ciztens who were against the goverment at the time and did not vote for the Ultra-Nationalists in power at the time!
I recommend you go out and buy a book called Social Engineering for Dummys
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
When you all decide if the "Nouvelle Reouner" atrocity was perpetrated by terrorists or 'heroes' let me know and I'll bother to comment. As long as you keep trying to play it both ways I am not going to bother.
For all the talk of Free speach and individual rights, you sure seem to dislike when individual caldari express diffrent opinions. So it's alright for Gallente to have differing viewpoints on matters, but not Caldari? Lovely double standard.
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James Duar
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:48:00 -
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If the Caldari feel the need to tar all Gallenteans with the same brush then you'll quickly find the same happening in return.
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Exioce
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Unuthiel
Try again. The colonies in question were begun about 300 years before the Caldari were members of your Federation. Why should they turn over colonies the Gallente had absolutely nothing to do with in any way, shape, or form?
i see. then you would be of the opinion that when someone enters service into an Amarr household, for example, they are under no obligation to inform their patron of matters he or she would deem to be harmful to the interests of that household, so long as those matters had their origin before employ.
next you'll be telling me you're anti-slavery.
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Elrianmk2
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Posted - 2006.05.18 13:24:00 -
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A couple of minor details, the Amarr threat is what caused the Gallante to cease its campiegn against your state. A war which the Gallante were winning untill those relationships soured.
The continual chestbeating by both sides is becoming tiresome. Those who desire war, well i am sure you will get your bloodthirsty fill of it, and those arrogant enough to asume it was all the other sides fault, well, you have my pity.
The war is over imbeciles, we remember our dead and we are insulting the Caldari? who honour the slaughter of million via guided spacecraft? Rather than precision based weapons designed to take out those area where resistance was at its most horrific?
You know i am tired of this, i have tried making people aware of the past. I shall watch it being repeated by those very people who should have learned that war is not a good thing. Oh except for the Pod pilots, who dont die in thier ships, and the ultra rich who will increase thier already grotesque fortunes once more.
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Able Citizen
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Posted - 2006.05.18 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Elrianmk2
*SNIP*
You know i am tired of this, i have tried making people aware of the past. I shall watch it being repeated by those very people who should have learned that war is not a good thing. Oh except for the Pod pilots, who dont die in thier ships, and the ultra rich who will increase thier already grotesque fortunes once more.
Here is the crux of the matter, bretheren. War is fought by the pod pilots and the winners are always the elites who have more in common with the elites in other empires than they do with the constituencies they are supposed to represent.
You won't find me on the side of any empire should war erupt between the factions. Those devils that sit in the seats of power in the Gallente Federation must slide into a pod and back up their rhetoric if they are to truly represent the communities they were elected to serve.
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2006.05.18 23:36:00 -
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Should the unfortunate happen and yet another war erupts between nations, the navies will be perfoming a bulk of the operations. That's real people without the protective coating of a capsule, hurling ammunition at one another in a horrific display of violence most of our generation has been fortunate enough not to witness first hand. Billions of people will die yet again, and to suggest somehow the capsuleer population will not be affected is wishfull thinking.
Those corrupt devils, the ones that gave you the freedom and opportunity to decide your fate have to contend with that notion, that billions of lives hang in the balance. It's scale of thought I believe many pilots are purposefully short-sighted on as they've indulged in their newfound freedoms to the point where they take them for granted.
It's easy to clamor for war when you have nothing to risk, but reality will comes to bite you in the rear when you have your head tucked underground waiting for the end to come.
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2006.05.19 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Killer Gandry on 19/05/2006 00:18:05
The attack on the Nouvelle Dome was a terrorist attack. Yes it was provoked maybe by the blockade which was laid around Caldari Prime by the Federation. This however does not make the attack on the civilians inside the Dome an act of heroisme.
I know I will brush a lot of socalled patriots against their hair, but a fuse was lit somewhere along the line and instead of keeping a clear mind, some Caldari blew more heat into the fire and thus killing potential customers of prime Caldari goods.
The responce of an elected Government was way over the top in ordering an orbital bombardment of Caldari Prime.
There is no way that even a tactical bombardment will not kill millions of civilians, and in responce the Caldari State had to take up arms aswell to defend the planet which they called home.
The suicidal drop of a freighter on a gallente planet was an utmost attempt to ensure the safe evacuation of civilians of a planet.
In war people loose the most basic teachings about right and wrong.
People cease to be people. Only enemies or none enemies start to exsist. And lines become vaguer by the minute.
It's not the podpilots that suffor. They will have clones on safe bases to ensure they can fight yet another day.
It's not the politicians that suffor, they are either far far away from harm and will have their clones aswell just incase.
The civilians on both sides are the victims, they cease to be civilians and will only be Caldari or Gallente, asif their race allso makes them part of all the other side fights.
We look at eachother and we talk about Gallente, we talk about Caldari. Yet we don't talk about those that have no intrest what so ever in yet another unprofitable war.
Any soldier or podpilot who fights a war will loose his or her humanity within a day or less. It's so much easier to just kill the other race then to see them as human aswell.
Yes both sides are right, and yet they are allso wrong. We talk about the other race and it's passt and present. yet we never walked a mile in the other races shoes.
How would Caldari State have responded if the facts were the other way around.
How would the Gallente Federation respond if Gallente Prime was now colonised by Caldari inside Caldari space?
I will not choose sides if a war comes up. I will continue my bussines as usual and when needed defend that which I have worked for. be it against Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr of Caldari.
I will offcourse allso do bussines with those that want to do bussines.
Good thing about Isk, it doesn't discriminate, see color or race. Isk just is.
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Edited by: Shemar on 19/05/2006 01:52:24
Originally by: Vendrin
Originally by: Shemar
When you all decide if the "Nouvelle Reouner" atrocity was perpetrated by terrorists or 'heroes' let me know and I'll bother to comment. As long as you keep trying to play it both ways I am not going to bother.
For all the talk of Free speach and individual rights, you sure seem to dislike when individual caldari express diffrent opinions. So it's alright for Gallente to have differing viewpoints on matters, but not Caldari? Lovely double standard.
It is not a matter of like or dislike, it is simply that there is no point discussing an issue when the people arguing against you have such completely different views. In such a case it is sufficient for me to provide my opinion and withdraw from the topic, rather than try to come to a conclusion. It is a matter of personal taste, or if you like, distaste towards meaningless arguing.
I don't remember asking anybody not to speak their mind, so I'd like to know how my decision not to bother has anything to do with free speech.
As for actual opinions, I think Killer Gandry pretty much put everything in perspective and apart from his personal intentions (which I do not criticize, it is simply a matter of personal preference) I cannot find a single fault with his position. Yes he is Caldari and I have absolutey no problem agreeing with him.
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