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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.05.16 21:33:00 -
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You will excuse me if I take my time to respond as I seem unable to stop laughing...
All this just for me? Don't I feel special today.
I am not sure what you plan to do outside the station, except wave at me, since we are not at war. I guess you probably do plan to sent a war dec my way at some point. Not that it would help you much.
You could have saved yourself a lot of trouble and ISK you know. If you wanted to shoot at me all you had to do was ask for a duel. I'll make it easy on you. I'll post the internal GLS duelling rules for you on our public communications portal here*. If you feel you can handle it, challenge me to a duel using standard issue T1 cruisers and I will accept.
*Sometime within the next 24 hours
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Posted - 2006.05.16 22:24:00 -
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I have to add one stipulation. The PTO will maintain all the intellectual property rights for live, live broadcast or delayed broadcast viewing of this event. Nooey may use any footage for personal purposes but he may not use it commercialy.
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Posted - 2006.05.16 22:29:00 -
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Did you confuse me with Nooey Yuki?
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Posted - 2006.05.16 22:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Yuki Li
That'd be a definite no. You're far more effete than Nooey is.
Sorry, can't be bothered to look that up. It's not like anything you say matters to me anyway.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Aran Cole
Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: Yuki Li
That'd be a definite no. You're far more effete than Nooey is.
Sorry, can't be bothered to look that up. It's not like anything you say matters to me anyway.
* Marked by self-indulgence, triviality, or decadence: an effete group of self-professed intellectuals.
* Overrefined; effeminate.
* No longer productive; infertile.
Take your pick... they all seem to apply. <smirks>
Thanks for the effort but quite frankly I still don't care.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bruno Bonner
Oh marvelous idea, i was afraid that i couldn't attend the event.
Can i order a copy of the holoreel in high definition?.
Got a few students in our institution that would love to see dueling tactics and analize the datafeed.
Good luck to both participants, but if someone's taking bets i'll put 10mill isk for shemar 
The event will be available, yes. One of the main reasons I am giving Nooey some of my time for this is that our research shows a high level of marketable interest (for educational purposes of course ). Keep monitoring thse channels for details and thanks for the vote of confidence. 
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Posted - 2006.05.17 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I don't know what I missed that started all this, but damn it's funny.
Where and when? I want to watch.
Stay tuned!
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Posted - 2006.05.17 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Steiner
Hell, I hate his big mouth too, 10m on Nooey!
I'll cover that bet. Please confirm that you accept.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 02:30:00 -
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The official GLS dueling rules have now entered the public domain here.
As previously agreed the ship selection will be limited to T1 non-faction cruisers.
I prefer that the participants declare their ship selections prior to fitting, but if Nooey does not want that, fine with me. As for fittings, I prefer no limitations, but if Nooey wishes a 'no faction' modules rule I will accept that.
Me preference is a standing start, the option to yield available and the loot returned to the original owner, but again if Nooey wants any of these options changed, I am fine with it.
Additionally I am willing to cover any bets third parties wish to place against me, up to a total (for all bets not individually) of 100 million ISK. Members or associates (past or present) of Omerta Syndicate and the Star Ftaction are excluded from this.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Duels are lame. Wars are the way!
Mr. Bliss,
A duel only takes an hour at best of my time and gives the GLS the potential to provide entertainment for a profit, which is what we do. A war on the other hand is boring and time consuming, with vast amounts of time wasted in searching for targets or evading the enemy searching for you. Time I could be spending in the company of the wonderful Bunnies and Tarts.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.05.17 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Originally by: Shemar
Members or associates (past or present) of Omerta Syndicate and the Star Ftaction are excluded from this.
Did you just exclude yourself?
Yes Tatsue, I excluded myself from betting against me, with me 
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Posted - 2006.05.17 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
If this will be televised, then perhaps Shemar should wear a prison uniform like so many others who die on bad GLS programs. 
You don't mind a 3-inch wide hole in your uniform's shirt do you Shemar?
Oh that old story again? I assure you the combat uniforms designed for that show were for maximum combat efficiency and (where possible) sex appeal. Perhaps watching a show before critisizing it would be advisable.
I did not realize Caldari were in such a short supply of clothing as to wear used ones and even preserve the clothing of the dead. In any case, no thanks.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Shemar on 17/05/2006 03:39:20
Originally by: Steiner
I'm going to change my bet a bit. I will give Nooey 20m if he makes Shemar go down with his ship, shoots Shemar's escape capsule that is and shows us some nice pictures of his frozen corpz in space. Do the world a favor Nooey.
Go Nooey! you can kill the loud mouth.
Ahh, I see that after avoiding the bet you also increased your expectations. Getting cheap are we? Tell you what: If, in case Nooey wins, he does shoot at my pod, I'll give him an extra 5 million ISK.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Can't we have some details? Shem, what did you do to the nice Omerta gentleman? :)
I am not really sure Elsebeth. Apparently what I have to say matters so much to Nooey that he feels the need to fight over it. 
But, as usual, the GLS is at the forefront of quality entertainment, so I could not pass this one up
By the way, we will need a neutral observer for the duel... interested?
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Posted - 2006.05.17 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Camar
I'll take that bet.
Nooey wins I give you 15m.
Shemar wins you give me 15m.
You are cutting in on my action Camar! 
Just kidding, I will cover any unanswered bets against me, but will step aside if others want to step in and cover them.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, you too DeadRow
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Posted - 2006.05.17 15:03:00 -
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Thank you both ladies.
Elsebeth, unfortunatly missing out on all the wonderful promotional and product placement opportunities by keeping the details secret would invalidate my reasons for going along with this, so unfortunately I will have to do it without your always welcome presence. 
Deadrow, if Nooey accepts you as a neutral party, I would be glad to have you. We will make sure you have at least 48 hours of warning
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Posted - 2006.05.17 15:36:00 -
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It depends on what you mean by 'open'. I have not yet decided on the cost of admission for spectators.
I have to also stress that at this point, Nooey has not yet issued an official challenge and therefore a lot of the details are not finalised.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 15:39:00 -
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Dear Babs,
I am afraid you will have to ask Nooey for that, as I am not quite sure. I just saw a lovely business opportunity and I took it.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Shemar on 17/05/2006 16:10:16
Actually there is a great number of ways to control it, the simplest of which is to not start the duel until all present have paid up.
Additionally the final location determination and communications with the neutral observer and between the participants will happen in a private comms channel and only paid participants will have access to that.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.05.17 16:55:00 -
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Danno: Thanks
Gorion: Always nice to see you demonstrate the Caldari way of doing business
In any case the ticket price will me much less than the trouble one would have to go through to avoid paying it, so be my guest
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Posted - 2006.05.17 19:18:00 -
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Yuki, there are a lot of people who could talk about the lives of crew members, but you are not one of them.
Given that is is a very short mission, I can fly with a skeleton crew, all of whom are volunteers (and yes, the contractual obligation to keep sending their salaries to their families for life should something happen to them helps). That of course is if I lose.
I never considered myself (or any of us pod pilots really) as someone who mattered, but if Nooey is willing to go to all this trouble to shoot me, just because he doesn't like what I say, I will venture a guess that it matters to him.
Me, I am just doing my job, providing entertainment for a price. Nooey offers to provide a show and I cash in. Simple as that. No ego involved.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Li
And don't try to tell me i don't give a damn about my crew. You don't know a thing about me.
You mean like you just did?
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Posted - 2006.05.17 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Eh? Where is that? 
Seriously? Originally by: Yuki Li
Don't try to play the compassion card after proving your crew don't matter to you.
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Posted - 2006.05.17 23:10:00 -
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You people are too funny! So if I duel I don't care about my crews, if I don't I am a coward. You got all your bases covered huh?
Especially coming from you Tatsue that less than a week ago were going on about how voluntary your crews follow you to their deaths and how freely and willingly they make that choice.
In any case, unless you would like to claim that I use slaves for crews, the simple fact that I do have a crew willing to go along, knowing all the facts available to me, is all that needs to be said.
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Posted - 2006.05.18 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Shemar on 18/05/2006 00:35:40
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Umm, I fail to see where you're going.
Yuki was talking about your relationship with your crew, because the inference made from what you said was that it didn't matter if your crew died because their family would get compensation, therefore if they died it would be inconsequential. With enough money, you can buy off a life, after all (and that's not real compassion). This seems logical, as you've been selfishly spinning this duel into something it's not intended to be, that is, serving your entertainment business which has been known to thrive off bloodsport.
Yuki asked you to not make a blind accusation about her relationship with her crew. She never talked about it and therefore there's no way you can begin to dissect her words.
Your assumption that I don't care about my crew is utterly wrong. My crew lays down their life every single day, fighting greatly outnumbered against fleets of outlaws and task forces of invading navies. They do it for profit (yes, many of them also from patriotism, but since they don't get a say as to what or who I fight I am not counting on that).
Up until recently, it is true that I refused to force my crew to fight against other pod pilots except in self defense. That is still the case. However I am now in a position to offer them enough financial incentives to volunteer for this extra hazardous job. I could have just waved their contracts in front of them and force them to do it, as I am sure many pilots do, but I didn't.
Unlike others, I never claimed I was some kind of charitable person or that I do things for the good of mankind. I do business. I try to do business in a way that improves the universe around me, but it is still business. I offer, they accept, it's a deal. As long as I do not go back on my deals and I don't force anybody into doing things they do not want to do, I can sleep fine at nights.
I put my crews into a lot less danger than any of you who try to make something out of this, yet somehow I am the one who cares less. Whatever. My crew knows best.
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:40:00 -
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How very amusing Nooey. I think you give me enough material for a daily comedy show.
Off the Summit for a week huh? What an unusual request. You really must stop obsessing about me. I am not all that important you know. It can't be a good sign. I recommend professional help.
I have some vacation coming up and it coincides nicely, so I'll accept your term.
As for honour, what a joke. Fighting because you don't like my words. Usless. Meaningless. You call that honour? At least I do it for profit. Unless you are under the influence again, even you realize that you have no way of hurting me, if I choose not to allow you to. I have no reason to do this, other than to provide some entertainment and make some money, which is exactly what I do.
My crew has a strong emotional reaction to you too, by the way. Except they don't hate you, they are laughing their bottoms off.
On to details. Since you don't care about who the neutral party is and DeadRow offered, I guess you agree. How does next Sunday sound? About 20:00? Asking both Nooey and DeadRow.
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Posted - 2006.05.18 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I'm sure the satisfaction of you going splat will mean more to Nooey than 5mil isk.
Oh but he can have both. All he has to do is actually shoot my pod
Well, he'll have to kill my ship first but that's another story.
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:36:00 -
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I will try to provide some replies without a quotefest...
It is undisputable that Nooey is the one who made this a public issue, not me. It is undisputable that Nooey is the one following me around with personal attacks in irrelevant topics (and I can provide links to two or three upon request).
It is well known that the GLS specializes in promotional activities and entertainment, so it should hardly be a surprise to anyone that when Nooey makes a public spectacle of himself, we point a camera and microphone to him and sell tickets.
Personally, I don't really think that what I have to say matters much. I know for a fact that what Nooey and his merry band have to say does not matter to me in the least. But apparetnly what I say does affect Nooey, to the point where he decided it is worth his time to fight me about it. In all honestly I find it quite unhealthy.
Tatsue, I never claimed that my crew had any kind of absoulte freedom and they are choosing to follow me. That was you. Flying a space ship these days is probably one of the most hazardous jobs. I know my crew does it for the money. I am sure looking at my total number of crew losses over the past year, compared to others, you will see why it is quite easy for me to find crews for hire.
Celes, I am not quite sure what you are cooking with that DNA sample of mine, but I am quite sure I don't want to know about it. Thanks for the offer but I will go with standard medical and search and resque services.
Since most of you do not get the joke or did not bother to read the duel rules, let me inform you that the duel will take place in a high security system. So in the event that Nooey wins, firing at my pod would be most entertaining, hence my offer to give him 5 million ISK if he does so.
To those that offer their support, thank you. Unfortunately I do not have the capability to cover bets for me, only against me. To those that wish to bet against me, if nobody else will take your bet, message me privately and I will cover it.
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Posted - 2006.05.18 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Elrianmk2
Would the GLS confirm how much the ticketĘs to see this event would be? Furthermore, would they also confirm if the video will be available for research and training purposes with third party broadcasters and whether such footage would be authorised for use in third party advertising campaigns? Also one last query, could you confirm that this event is scheduled for 20:00 Eve Standard time?
With Nooey's acceptance I can now move on to the business side of things.
Event tickets will cost 50000 ISK. The price includes access to the GLS dueling channel where the final location of the duel will be announced as well as all communication between participants and observer will take place. I am also working on commentators and news coverage which will also be included with no additional cost.
The event will become available in holoreel format, for private usage, for the price of 10000 ISK. Commercial use (such as 3rd party advertising) will require additional licensing. Educationl use is free.
The event is nominally scheduled for next Sunday, 20:00 EVE Stadard time, as our research indicates that particular time is conductive to peak audiences. A specific date and time as well as the general area of the duel will be announced 24 hours prior to the event.
Thank you for your interest.
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
If the "duel" is going to be in a high security system how are you going to prevent Concord Battleships interfering with the fighting the moment the first shot is fired?
If you had bothered to read the duel procedure you would know that it involves looting bookmarks off each other's jet cans to artificially induce CONCORD sanctioned aggression.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Please could the gentlemen consider dueling in frigates? Aren't duels an old-fashioned concept enough without risking lives?
I understand your reservations Elsebeth. Unfortunately, frigates are too fragile and fickle and often the winner is determined by luck, instead of skill and tactics, as the duel does not last long enough.
I assure you that every possible precausion has been taken to minimize the loss of life. The event will take place in a high security system where medical and resque services will be able to be on standby in great numbers. Additionally both participants have the option to yield or warp away forfeiting the duel but preserving the lives of their crew.
Additionally, given the very short duration of the event and the lack of need for long term ship maintenance and quality of life services, most of my crew will be evacuated to the nearest space station, with only a handful of volunteers tasked with critical duties during combat remaining on board. I assure you that having talked to them, not a single one of them would have it any other way.
Finally, according to the agreed upon rules, I am announcing the ship type of my choice. I will fight in a Thorax class cruiser. I am eagerly awaiting Nooey's choice.
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Posted - 2006.05.19 13:09:00 -
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I'd love for you to be there too Elsebeth, but I understand the security risks, not to mention that the work you are doing is far more important than this.
Should you decide that you can attend (maybe through the use of a cloaked vessel) I will provide you with a VIP pass, naturally.
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Posted - 2006.05.20 11:08:00 -
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For a group that pretends to be about actions and not words you sure talk a lot about what you would like to do.
Still waiting for Nooey to declare his ship of choice, as per the rules. I would hate to see him forfeit on a technicality.
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Posted - 2006.05.20 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Shemar on 20/05/2006 11:33:26
The rules he agreed to. Any failure to comply is an automatic forfeit. If he had any objections he should have stated them before accepting:
Originally by: Shemar
I prefer that the participants declare their ship selections prior to fitting, but if Nooey does not want that, fine with me.
Originally by: Nooey
I really don't care about conditions.
...
Consider this my official acceptance Shemar. On one simple condition, since you have so many of your own.
As far as I am concerned it is clear he accepted all conditions. It would be interesting to see if he uses that as a way to back out of the duel...
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Posted - 2006.05.20 11:53:00 -
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Ms. Starkiel,
This event will be available for live broadcast in all areas the GEN (the Glamour Entertainment Network) is available and that includes Minmatar space. It will be however a Pay-Per-View service and not part of the regular GEN subscription, save the Premium package.
It will also be available, in a future date in holoreel format.
Thank you for your interest
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Posted - 2006.05.20 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
He agreed on duel conditions. Your preferences though aren't part of it but merely that, your personal preferences. And the very rules you cite allow each participant to have their own preference that doesn't affect the other.
No you are misinterpreting the rules. The optionl rules are not to be followed or not based on personal preference, they are to be decided by both participants prior to the duel at which point they become part of the rules.
So when you say: Originally by: j0sephine
It says "they" can decide (on their own, respectively) not "one of participant decides for both".
your interpretation is wrong. The correct interpretation is "both parties mutually agree" and not "on their own, respectively" or, of course "one of participant decides for both"
For this proccess I stated all my personal preferences of options for Nooey. He accepted them as they were, offering no objections. If he wanted the ship choice to remain unknown all he had to do was state that he did not wish that option (or any of the other options) active. I made it clear that it would not be a deal breaker. However once he accepted the set of options as stated, I expect him to follow them to the letter. I had no problem being the first to declare my choice allowing Nooey to not only choose his fittings but also the ship he will fly with that knowledge at hand.
In any case I don't see Nooey complaining and I am sure he does not need rules lawyers to get this done. This is not a set of rules made specifically for this duel, it is part of a continuous and pre-existing effort within the GLS to create a playing field as even as possible for dueling.
Unless Nooey himself has an issue, I will bother with this no further. Any explanations on rules interpretation provided to third parties are more than adequate.
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Posted - 2006.05.20 13:54:00 -
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The duel is scheduled for tomorrow, Sunday the 21st at 22:00 EVE standard time. The location will be close to Kaaputenen (this is not arbitrary, I tried to split the distance between where I hand out and Omerta HQ, since I don't really know where Nooey is). If the location is not convenient Nooey can let me know about it.
The exact loactions will be revealed to the paying viewers prior to the duel. I strongly recommend that you are in the area at least 30 minutes prior to the duel start time, so that you can easily travel to the designated location.
Having said this, the tickets are now on sale. Forwards payments of 50000 ISK per person to me. If you purhase more than one ticket or buying a ticket for somebody else please make sure that you include their exact pilot callsign.
In the event that the duel is cancelled or one of the participants fails to appear or forfeits, full ticket price refunds will be made, but travel time and expances will not be refunded.
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Posted - 2006.05.20 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
If you can't write duel rules in clear manner, that's your problem and no one else's. And since you're at the same time a participant in duel *and* author of these rules, any post-fact interpretations you provide are dubious, at best, and look like pathetic wriggling at worst.
The rules are written and being used by reasonable concenting adults looking for a fair fight, not people looking to twist them for an advantage.
If in your head "If I feel like it I reveal my ship but if I don't I keep it a secret" makes more sense than "Either we both reveal our ships or neither does" as a rule that's your problem.
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Posted - 2006.05.20 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
To be honest the Glamour Syndicate dueling rules have offended my sense of honour Shemar. They are obviously intended to allow cowardly dogs to walk away from challenges on their bellies under the covering fire of legal suits rather than ensuring a prompt and satisfying exchange of weapons fire.
I gave Nooey the option to change any of these rules. He did not take it. End of story.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Therefore I'd like to challenge you to a duel as well!
And before we get a load of belly-aching about the loss of crews and inhumane nature of the thing, yes, I'm very happy to fly an Interceptor against you so its nobody else's life at stake in the thing.
Here's my rules.
2 of us warp to a planet in a 0.0 system.
Only one ship comes back.
The end.
I don't fly interceptors. A duel with you has very little commercial value and even if it did, I am not stupid enough to announce my scheduled presence in a low sec or 0.0 system. I have nothing to gain by dueling you.
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Posted - 2006.05.20 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
Stop trying to wriggle out of the duel Shemar! Selling tickets won't save you!
*grins*
Hahaha!
You know it's all about the bottom line Kaleigh
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Posted - 2006.05.20 14:58:00 -
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Following the rules agreed upon, especially after I have done my part is not too much to ask Jasmine. I am sure Nooey is not that petty anyway and the point is moot.
As for dueling you, Jasmine, you missed the entire point. I have nothing to gain. Say I kill your ship, so what? Where is the profit? Where is the incentive to go to all the trouble and risk resources? I certainly don't have strong enough feelings about you to make it worth my time just for the pure satisfaction of it.
If you want a fair duel in high sec, so people can freely attend and I can sell tickets and take bets and are willing to wait a couple of weeks so that viewers do not get flooded with new material and lose interest, I'll give you your duel. And the rules do provide for not disclosing what ship you will fly, all you have to do is ask for that option before agreeing to a set of options, if me knowing what you will fly is such a big threat to you.
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: GoGo Yubari
But dear Jasmine, 0.0 is where such vile villains as the dreadful Intaki of the Syndicate live!
It must be an atrocious dump!
Jasmine knows very well that I have spent time in 0.0. I still have assets up in the North. I am quite capable of going anywhere I want but frankly I don't see the incentive.
As for "And really, I suspect you overvalue your own reputation grotesquely if you think there'd be many people waiting to eliminate you" it's funny coming from the woman wanting to shoot me on a topic about another man also going to great lengths to shoot me.
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Shemar on 20/05/2006 15:52:50
The rules are designed for fair fights, not providing handicaps to either side*. The issue never came up with any of the duels arranged within GLS and allies. I do not disagree that if I wanted to safe-guard against people trying to abuse the rules we would have to make the writing a lot more specific and complicated, but frankly I have no interestd in dealing with or catering to people who would do that.
*Edit: And even assuming it could make sense in a friendly duel, how could it possibly make sense in a hostile one and why would I ever willingly give Nooey an advantage?
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Posted - 2006.05.20 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Your next step is giving up those absurd notoions of 'fanshion' you have for those ugly costumes you people wear, and the garbage you smear all over your face. Makeup, what a joke. Are the 'pretty' Gallente so ugly that they need help fixing themselves?
I am a fan of the natural look personally. Jeans and a t-shirt is what you will usually find me in and don't even get me started on any kind of chemical on my skin or hair. I never touch the stuff.
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Posted - 2006.05.20 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
For the very reason you claim to be most crucial to you -- to ensure 'fair fight'. That's what handicaps are for.
It's rare for both combatants to be equally skilled. Are you telling me if you were to duel someone you know to be considerably weaker, you wouldn't grant them such handicap to even the odds?
Obviously our definition of 'fair fight' differs. For me it means allowing each participant to fight to the outmost of their capabilities not tailoring the rules so that they both have equal chances.
In a case where I am dueling a friend we may agree on special rules to offset potential unfairness (although, again, it has never really come up as with friends the duel is about learning not about who wins) but I can't possibly see a reason in a duel with an 'enemy'. I certainly would never ask for an advantage regardless of skill level and I can't of course speak for Nooey but I am pretty sure he is not interested in claiming his skill is inferior to mine, so again the point is moot.
Besides, measuring 'skill level' is quite arbitrary. The only possible way to get a comparative mesure would be by compairing which pilot has had their license for longer but there are so many factors that make that unusable as we all bring radically different percentages of skills that are of absolutely no use to a fight.
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Posted - 2006.05.20 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
I get the feeling Shemar thinks he's going to lose, and getting his face on Galnet as many times as possible before the fight.
One does what one must, I guess.
Care to put your ISK where your mouth is? I am still taking bets against me
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Posted - 2006.05.20 20:11:00 -
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Excellent. I see you did not blindly choose to put your trust in inferior Caldari technology. It will be a glorious fight!
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Posted - 2006.05.20 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
I don't understand; what you say sounds like fighting with no handicap to either side is "fair" to you no matter how big the skill difference of these involved... except when you are dueling a friend, in which case this just-a-second-ago "fair" fight with no handicaps can be considered exactly opposite of "fair", and an offset needs to be introduced to make up for it?
You are indeed right, our definitions of "fair" differ quite a bit. Mine doesn't change depending on wheter you like person involved, or not...
Don't twist what I said. I have never fought a duel where any of the participants asked for any kind of handicap, nor have I ever considered it. If a friend of measurable lower capabilities asked me to modify the rules to give him an unfair advantage so that he would have a better chance of winning I would consider it, although, again, it has never come up and I still don't see why anyone would ask for that.
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Or he could fit the finest the State has to offer, and slaughter you mercilessly.
If he wants to draw it out, we aren't going to stop him. You'll just suffer longer.
Perhaps you'd care to back that up with the Caldari cruiser of your choice?
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Posted - 2006.05.21 02:28:00 -
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Your bet is covered, yes
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:50:00 -
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10 million ISK on Nooey. Covered.
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Posted - 2006.05.21 17:56:00 -
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The premium access to the duel is now activated. Those of you who have paid for tickets or have been promised VIP access can log on to channel GLSDuel. Ticket sales will continue until just before the start of the duel. For any problems regarding access contact me via EVE-Mail. Private conversations will automatically be rejected from now until the end of the duel.
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Posted - 2006.05.21 22:49:00 -
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The duel took place in front of a live audience and was broadcast live for all GEN premium and pay-per-view subscribers.
The winner is Shemar. No objections as to the result were filed so the result is deemed final.
Stay tuned for the release of the battle in holoreel format.
Steiner, I will be expecting your payment of 10 million ISK. Feel free to verify the result with DeadRow who oversaw the duel or Nooey himself.
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Okay then. Agreed. We can use your hisec security flagging bypass to fight in Hisec if you like and you can make whatever you like of the proceedings Shemar. We can certainly wait a couple of weeks. I would like no prior declaration of ship types or module category limitations obviously. I'm happy to call it non-faction tech1 cruisers as the engagement. I would prefer a random engagement range 15-80 as the start point and this can be achieved by simply simultaneously picking a warp in distance while moving to the same celestial object.
Please let me know how you feel about this and lets talk about a potential date.
I agree on principle Jasmine. I do have a couple of issues, one that my preferred dueling style is now known to you and two that the actual ticket sales were a bit dissapointing. We can fix one if you agree to known ship types or are willing to wait a bit so I can figure out and possibly train something different. Number two is really my problem and since I did offer you a duel I won't back out on account of that.
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Alucard
Shemar I see you beat a impudent child, when your ready to fight on a grander scale let me know 'til then your on borrowed time old friend.
*sighs*
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that more people want in...
Let's wait and see if I still have a crew willing to do this, after my duel with Jasmine and if I can make this in any way financially viable (the only reason the current show was profitable was the bets people took against me) and we'll talk. 
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:16:00 -
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I avoid talking about it Marie because I am not really into bragging, it's done and over with. The holoreel will come with commentary from me and, if Nooey wishes to provide his own perspective, Nooey also, for those interested enough to pay the 10k price.
Nooey, if you do feel like writing a short text describing the duel from your point of view, send it to me and I will include it in the product, unedited and uncensored.
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Posted - 2006.05.22 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
I think you might be a little disappointed in the confidence a galnet undertaking from a notorious anarchist guerrilla corporation of outlaws and scoundrels might give you in the intellectual property rights courts in the federation Shemar
It seems I have more faith in your word than you Jasmine, as your word is all I need, I do not expect you to go back on it.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
By the by, if you are a little worried by the profit you stand to make then I can suggest a side bet between the two of us to the tune of shall we say ... 200m isk?
I'd imagine a seasoned and successful duellist of your calibre would feel mightily confident after despatching the last challenger mr Shemar - why not spice the occassion further with a sensible wager.
I am beginning to wonder Jasmine, if you are trying to con a simple photographer out of his hard earned cash. A wager is quite different from profit and I have no illusions as to our comparative skill levels. Taking bets against me vs. Nooey was a reasonable business decision. A duel against you is far less likely to end in my favor and I do not feel it is a sound investment.
I am smart enough to not let this one event go to my head and to know that there is very little margin between a convincing victory and utter defeat. In other words, my ego is much cheaper than 200m
I guess we might as well go ahead and schedule the duel for two weeks from now then. Sunday, 20:00? I live in Sinq Laison now, so I leave it up to you to find a relatively close spot that is also convenient for you.
Just one more thing Jasmine... since you agreed to the GLS duelling procedure (except the initial range determination), why exactly do you want to fight me?
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Posted - 2006.05.22 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Date/time seems fine. As for the place, I'd prefer a place within half a dozen jumps of Rens if we are doing the empire thing. Ideally not too busy a system to keep the ship responsiveness up.
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And I frankly can't resist a fight.
Very well, I can arrange that. I will send you the location a couple of days prior so you can set up at your leisure.
Frankly, the only reason I am fighting you Jasmine is because I said I would and I don't go back on my word (even though if I wanted to get technical I could reject your random initial range clause), so I intend to keep this one low key. I honestly do not see any potential for profit or personal satisfaction and I intend to put the lives of my crew above my ego, if and when it comes to that.
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Posted - 2006.05.22 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
From what I could gather over FTL, since I wasn't there in person:
Rail-o-rax w/ ECM drones vs. Blaster-rax = Nooey never got got a shot off.
Just to correct the facts, since people seem intent on talking about it, Nooey's blasterax was using the ECM drones. The reason he did not get a shot is because I stayed out of his range. I barely got any shots myself as I was jammed for the most part. My combat drones were the only thing doing damage.
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Posted - 2006.05.22 22:27:00 -
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No problem Kitty, I know you were just trying to be helpful
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Posted - 2006.05.23 02:42:00 -
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The holoreel of the duel is now available. Due to the relative lack of action it has been decided to provide it as part of the basic GEN services and not as a premium service. All subscribers can access it here.
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Posted - 2006.05.24 13:44:00 -
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I would like to thank all those that supported me, either verbally or financially (by betting against me )
I would also like to reiterate that duels do not prove or change anything. I have always maintained that and my opinion has not shifted just because I won one. As far as I am concerned, we just put on a show and made GLS (and me personally) some money.
My thanks
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Posted - 2006.05.28 12:03:00 -
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Malthros and Kyoko: This kind of thinking is exactly what will destroy the Caldari in the event of a war, just as it cost Nooey dearly. It does not matter how effective a typical ship loadout is, when it becomes predicatble it is doomed to fail. The Thorax cruiser is not the best cruiser because it can be loaded with blasters for extreme damage output, it is the best cruiser becaue of it's unmatched tactical flexibility. In any case, if you really think that any Caldari cruiser can match it, feel free to ask for a tryout.
As for the petty comments Kyoko, I will leave the judgement of each side's behavior before and after the duel to others.
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Posted - 2006.05.28 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sicex
And Shemar showed smarts?... hmm, um, well at least he's cute.
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Posted - 2006.05.28 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Is that so?
Bring a Thorax and I'll bring you a surprise. (No, not ECM.)
Up for it?
That is quite one sided Tatsue and just illustrates my point that under equal terms the Thorax is unmatched. I am sure there are ways to defeat a Thorax with a generic by necessity setup, using a very specialized setup and the knowledge of what you are facing as an advantage. The Thorax is good, but it is not 'that' good.
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Posted - 2006.05.28 13:46:00 -
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I am a bit confused here, are we on or not?
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Posted - 2006.05.28 15:02:00 -
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I am too lazy to come to curse
I am not sure there is a point since you already told me how to beat you, although there is always the possibility you are bluffing, but if you feel like a friendly test let me know
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Posted - 2006.05.28 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
blah blah blah
The Gallente way is to use what will kill you most efficiently and our ships are made to accomodate that. We don't need to read "ship fittings for dummies", that's your thing. It makes me extremely happy to see you unable to grasp basic warfare concepts. Please maintain your current though patterns.
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Posted - 2006.05.28 23:01:00 -
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As far as I am concerned this event was about using Nooey's desire to shoot me, to make some money.
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Posted - 2006.06.02 10:39:00 -
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There you go:
Result Report
Duel Holoreel
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