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Cearain
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Posted - 2014.04.28 01:46:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:NPCs didn't stop the timer from running down in the old FW, and made plex fights completely unbalanced for actual PVP. You had to kill all the rats before the latest changes. This was pretty much the only time the farmers actually abandoned FW.
Farmers have never abandoned fw since inferno.
Its also not true that players asked for the all changes ccp made. Players consistently said they did not want station lockouts. CCP did it anyway. It was a stupid change. Some changes - like not having after downtime being so important was something players wanted. CCP did that and it was a good change. Reducing the importance of npcs in a plex was also something players asked for and CCP did it. That was another good change.
3 changes that should still happen to help fw plexing are:
1) timer rollbacks
2) let players know where plexes are attacked
3) Don't allow booster alt effects to work in plexes unless the booster ship is in the plex.
Increasing the importance of rats is simply going in reverse.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2014.04.28 03:09:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Cearain wrote:
3) Don't allow booster alt effects to work in plexes unless the booster ship is in the plex.
Then you can complain about people having bigger corps or more friends and ask CCP to change the game again.
No, I just think the whole booster alt pvp is bad, and would like a place to escape it.
At the very least, if your t3 alt can't go in the plex its effects shouldn't go in the plex either.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2014.04.28 13:58:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Cearain wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Cearain wrote:
3) Don't allow booster alt effects to work in plexes unless the booster ship is in the plex.
Then you can complain about people having bigger corps or more friends and ask CCP to change the game again. No, I just think the whole booster alt pvp is bad, and would like a place to escape it. At the very least, if your t3 alt can't go in the plex its effects shouldn't go in the plex either. Remember: ECM alts are the next thing on the list you must complain about because you will 'want a place to escape it' What do you think people will do with those toons once they can't use them to boost?
ECM alts are also lame I won't deny it. But at least they show up on the killmail and have to be on grid. So its easier to identify these people and either avoid them or plan to kill them.
I don't know what people will do with the alts, maybe take them out of faction war and low sec, and use them in high sec or null sec. But the issue gets worse the longer ccp allows this to go on.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:03:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:Cearain wrote:
2) let players know where plexes are attacked
Here we go again............. ill tell u were they are being attacked..... in BACKWATERS... like ive said before if ccp introduced something that told people were plexes were being popped i would pop erry one in erry system i pass roam and find pvp u lazy **** lets see how many pages cerain will bang on about this for......
You still misconstrue what I am saying.
Opening a plex is not the same as attacking or running one. I am saying our military complexes should let us know when they are being run. That is the timer is running.
Its common sense. You want people to pvp for plexes let them know where the players are attacking them. But its well known that you like farmville so I know you won't like this idea.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:22:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Cearain wrote:Players consistently said they did not want station lockouts. CCP did it anyway. It was a stupid change. I started playing after station lockouts, but it seems to be the only worthwhile reason to attack or defend a system.
There was a time when people wanted to attack and defend a system for the great pvp. There were also economic incentives. That were driving people to plex. Unfortunately CCP did not take all the necessary actions to make sure the plexers were not just alts. They did take some actions here but not enough.
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
It also makes logistics play a part in FW.
Not really. There was logistics before. Now the logistical options are more limited.
The only thing it did was help with station camping. But if ccp wanted to do that they would just need to say the enemy can't dock in the actual enemy faction war stations. That way people who don't know how to deal with station camps will have several stations they can choose from.
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Why do you say it's stupid?
It just means pvpers will become pirates instead of staying in faction war. Unless you are big into gate camping. Thats really the only reason to stay in fw.
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Did you guys have big multi-day fights over systems before station lockouts? If yes, why?
There were before and there were very big fights that started as a result of inferno. Right before inferno there were big fights in a few systems. It had to do with several changes that were happening at once.
1) Station lockouts
2) huge incentives to win the war
3) the number of plexes you need to run to flip a system was going to be 5xs what it used to be (or something like that)
Now because of the first factor the battles were largely fought in only a few systems. (plus many people couldn't participate because they were busy moving stuff out of systems they knew would fall) If 1 was not the case there would have been just as much fighting just more spread out. The idea would have been to spread out and capture as many plexes and systems as you could before 3 kicked in.
There were changes after inferno that made faction war extremely stagnant to the point where you think the only reason to capture a system is to kick your enemy out of a station. That had to do with how the rewards for system occupancy were paid.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:57:00 -
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Silverbackyererse wrote:+1 to annoyance mail spam tactics.  And welcome back Cearain!!!
It doesn't need to be mail spam. It could just be shown on a map. (assuming ccp can give us a map that doesn't crash the client.)
I don't recognize you but ,thanks for the welcome.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 16:26:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:I thought Cearain ragequit Eve? Dude, you can't quit and then come back like nothing happened. You lose your street cred. We need an explanation - an inspiring story on why you resubbed to this wonderful game.
More misinformation from XG.
I never rage quit eve. Giving computer games a rest for a while, is healthy and helps with perspective. I have done that several times in the past with eve. But I never rage quit. I also never regretted taking a break.
But since you asked, the reason I re-subbed is because my ten year old niece all of a sudden took a liking to the game. (my girls who are the same age expressed no interest) So I am playing the game with her and my brother (who I could never get interested in the game) We are doing high sec stuff and my niece is really pretty smart and getting the hang of things. Its been fun.
So far I have no desire to go back to low sec faction war to deal with frigates with off grid boosters or people hide and seek plexing.
I am just checking the forums to see if the same problems are still present. It seems they are, but fewer people seem interested. I admit I don't know what has happened for a while because I was completely disconnected from the game. But if its the same mechanics I would suspect its the same game play. The threads I see have the same precious and few diehards shouting down anyone who has a proposal, tends to confirm my suspicion.
I am glad you like faction war so much. But there is no reason to remain blind and so opposed to people who think it could be better. Rollbacks are a good and important proposal. It will improve faction war but its not going to make Faction war really great. It will actually do more for low sec pirates who like to pvp than it will for faction war pilots who like pvp. But it will be good all around I agree.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2014.04.28 16:32:00 -
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Val Erian wrote:lol, return of Cearain to this forum means end of any chance for semi constructive discussion.
He's jumped back in as if nothing has changed since he disappeared in a giant puff of posts about plex notification.
Do you consider your post constructive? What about XG or Hotpocket's post? Do you think those posts are constructive?
My last post before my break from the game was almost 8 months ago. Couldn't you get some sort of constructive discussion going in that time?
From the looks of the forums it looks like the same issues being rehashed. But yeah if you want to blame me that's fine. Whatever helps.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2014.04.29 03:27:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:WTF? So bringing up the FW neocom and checking which systems have had their capture status increased isn't an indicator on where people are running plexes? Sounds to me like someone wants an easymode PVP. ...
At least we agree on the issue. Should occupancy be based on pvp, or on hide and seek plexing?
I think it should be pvp. I know some people in your corp really want to keep it "hide and seek."
As to whether the pvp is easy, that depends on who I am fighting. Every militia has some good pvpers and some not so good pvpers. I don't think you should say that just because someone is in faction war they are easy pvp targets.
X Gallentius wrote:Estella Osoka wrote: Doesn't it start with a "W" or something? It's called high sec and that "accept dual" (whatever its called) button.
Plex fighting is not the same a "dueling". It's surprising that you have been in faction war this long and make that comment.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:52:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:Cearain wrote:
Its common sense. You want people to pvp for plexes let them know where the players are attacking them. But its well known that you like farmville so I know you won't like this idea.
wait im confused is a farmer running the plex not attacking it??? it would just lead to the same whak a mole tactic but ud just get spammed with notifications aswell so double annoying... if u want "pvp mode:easy" arena **** theres something for that its called SISI
Ok on the off chance you really are confused and not just trying to confuse the issue I will explain it.
1) You open a plex by warping to it. This would not indicate anything.
2) you run or attack a plex by running down the timer. Its a philosophical issue as to what we are really doing when we orbit the button in an enemy militiary complex. I can only assume we must imagine its some sort of attack. Or show of force. But whatever you want to call it, when a timer is being run the militias should know so they can defend.
3)You keep talking about being "spammed" with notifications that won't happen. CCP could do this different ways. 1) they could simply have a map that shows which systems have people running timers. So if you don't want to fight for occupancy you don't need to check it. You can just keep running missions, gate camping, or station camping Jita whatever. 2) The other option would be to have separate chat window that tells you when people enter and leave plexes. Ideally this could be customized so it only tells you when people are doing this within X # of jumps. Again if you can't be bothered to fight for occupancy you could minimize this chat window. I think the map idea is better and I think that is what ccp was planning on doing.
If we had this combined with rollbacks it would mean is that 7 -8 pvpers could effectively shut down the farmers by each taking a cluster of systems throughout their front. They could communicate with eachother so that they could apply the right amount of force in the right cluster. This is the sort of logistical thinking that Eve with its blob wins everything lacks.
But what would eventually happen is the profitability of hide and seek plexing would be brought low enough that no one would do it anymore. What you would have is massive carnage that would likely outstrip the pvp we had right when inferno came out . The pvers might move to missions which is fine because that doesn't effect occupancy.
I agree with Master Sergeant MacRobert. FW should appeal to many different people and play styles. I think the fw missions are really pretty good pve for those who want that. The occupancy war does not need to be pve as well. Eve in general needs a small gang pvp mechanic. By tweaking the plexes we can get that.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:23:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:If you want timer notifications build a POS, setup a POCO, or go to null sov. Timer notifications are a pain in the posterior. We don't need them in FW, because sooner or later someone will report them or go and kill them. I do not need some easy peasy notification telling me I need to go 20 jumps because some stabbed farmer just started running the button in a plex.
Of course, you don't. And you especially don't want the militias knowing your alt is farming 2 systems next to them either.
Now skipping ahead this is when you say you don't have alts plexing and you are always ready and happy for pvp.
And then I ask then why is it you are so against militias knowing where you are taking their plexes then?
Of course, you don't have to look at the map that would give this information if you didn't want to. If you don't want to look at the chat window to defend your space you wouldn't need to do that either. You could minimize it.
So that is where the discussion usually devolves into personal attacks against me. You don't want to admit you like hide and seek plexing. You already admitted notifications would lead to more pvp in plexes. You even claimed the pvp would be too easy to come by right? So why not just admit it? You don't want fw occupancy to be based on pvp.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:52:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:If you want timer notifications build a POS, setup a POCO, or go to null sov. Timer notifications are a pain in the posterior. We don't need them in FW, because sooner or later someone will report them or go and kill them. I do not need some easy peasy notification telling me I need to go 20 jumps because some stabbed farmer just started running the button in a plex. Of course, you don't. And you especially don't want the militias knowing your alt is farming 2 systems next to them either. Now skipping ahead this is when you say you don't have alts plexing and you are always ready and happy for pvp. And then I ask then why is it you are so against militias knowing where you are taking their plexes then? Of course, you don't have to look at the map that would give this information if you didn't want to. If you don't want to look at the chat window to defend your space you wouldn't need to do that either. You could minimize it. So that is where the discussion usually devolves into personal attacks against me. You don't want to admit you like hide and seek plexing. You already admitted notifications would lead to more pvp in plexes. You even claimed the pvp would be too easy to come by right? So why not just admit it? You don't want fw occupancy to be based on pvp. Wow, that 8 month break really helped you getting a perspective! You know best even more than ever before! You want the map to light up when people are running plexes? take some acid, it will have the same effect. Plexes are being run everywhere, all the time.
It sounds like your on a bad trip and getting a bit paranoid. Calm down. Plexes are not being run "everywhere all the time."
But as as always when this topic is raised, we can't really get any downsides to the idea except that it will make it too easy to fight for plexes. I think that is the goal.
Too many people in fw are just happy to have their alts sitting in plexes, but somehow realize they should be ashamed to admit it. So begins the desperate attacks and obfuscation.
Bottom line: Some want fw occupancy to be based on pvp others want to keep up with the silly hide and seek plexing. Whether or not we should know when our military complexes are being attacked illustrates that divide.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:07:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:
It sounds like your on a bad trip and getting a bit paranoid. Calm down. Plexes are not being run "everywhere all the time."
Yes they are, actually. You had a terrible perception of how faction war was working 8 months ago and you havent been to low sec since. .
I was just in low sec last night. Plenty of empty systems plenty of plexes not being run. No change from what was happening 8 months ago.
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Even when you were in Amarr, you were just a scrub on the periphery with no real influence or voice and demonstrated in old threads the meta from infermo onwards was a mystery to you (beyond tier 5 cashout pushes, which iirc you think are better than the current tier system lol).
Attacks and obfuscation. Nothing about the actual proposal.
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
You 'solution' doesnt address any problem that anyone i know in faction war perceives. Why not listen to FW peeps when they tell you that your idea is idiotic and unnecessary and listen to what they are actually saying?.
You don't think people percieve that occupancy in 90% of systems is based on farming and alts who run from all combat?
What is the drawback to the proposal again? Oh yeah your just posting more of your attacks, oh ok.
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Alas, we have been here before, your autistic perspective will not yield, all threads for the next couple of weeks will be overrun with your compulsive posting.
There is problems with the state of farming, all of which could be helped with the handful of simple suggestions mentioned in this thread already, and many times elsewhere.
More attacks and not a single drawback to the proposal. What next? Maybe youll say I am the one who prevents threads from being constructive.
Seriously, I don't care what you think of me. But this is a thread called "FW plex mechanic discussion" I will post my view on that whether you like it or not. I am happy if you want to point out some sort of downside to the proposal, but the bickering is really old. Are you able to just stick to the proposal and discuss the pros and cons?
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Cearain
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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:12:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Theres no drawbacks to any number of random suggestions. Were talking about results. Your suggestion lacks those too.
Just to be clear on your position.
You seem to be saying no one will look at this map that tells us where people are plexing in an aid to help them in the occupancy war. Accordingly you think no changes will result.
Well I disagree. I think lots of people would use this intel to help them fight for occupancy.
But I wonder if you realize that your view also contradicts that of Estella Osoka and XG who argued that intel of this sort would lead to easy pvp in plexes.
It can't be both. It can't lead to too much easy pvp in plexes and also have no effect.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:57:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Theres no drawbacks to any number of random suggestions. Were talking about results. Your suggestion lacks those too.
Just to be clear on your position. You seem to be saying no one will look at this map that tells us where people are plexing in an aid to help them in the occupancy war. Accordingly you think no changes will result. Well I disagree. I think lots of people would use this intel to help them fight for occupancy. But I wonder if you realize that your view also contradicts that of Estella Osoka and XG who argued that intel of this sort would lead to easy pvp in plexes. It can't be both. It can't lead to too much easy pvp in plexes and also have no effect. At no point does a notification make anyone care about the 90% of systems that people dont currently care about. That is why your idea is useless. Finding a fight in FW within a couple of jumps of any home system is very easy. So you have no solution to your problem and there is no problem to your solution.
Thank you for responding without insults.
Ok so you are saying no cares about 90% of occupancy. I might agree. But that wasn't always the case. Moreover, the faction war tier system is based on the belief that players should care about more than 10% of systems. The reason no one cares is because it is too difficult to defend systems from alts that just run away to a next door system and plex there.
If defending the other 90% of systems lead to great plex fights many more people would care about them, and and many more people would join faction war. This is IMO should be the goal of fw occupancy.
Intel tools combined with rollbacks would mean that alts could run but not hide and plex. That would be a huge hit to the income these alts make and would likely mean they would either decide to start fighting or they would leave occupancy alone. Either option would be good for faction war.
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
There is no awesome plex fights in systems no one cares about. If people want to force a larger fight they go to someones home system.
I've had awesome plex fights in plenty of systems that were not home systems. Maybe you only think big fights are awesome so you may disagree.
SmokinJs Arthie wrote:This notification system is terrible idea. It just has abuse written all over it.
Say you and 4 of your corp mates have your alts get into bombers and put them in small and medium plexes all over the warzone, most likely some backwater system. And then it would go a little something like this:
Alt enters plex GÇô notification
cloak
decloak GÇô notification
15 secs
cloak
decloak GÇô notification
15 sec
cloak
decloak GÇô notification
15 sec
cloak
decloak GÇô notification
15 sec
cloak
ThatGÇÖs 5 notifications in just over a minute. Plus 4 other buddies thatGÇÖs ~25 notifications/min. That is almost a notification once every 2 secs. Plus others doing this and actual PvPers. This is just a receipe for **** tsunami. That GÇ£intelGÇ¥ channel would look worse than Jita local.
I like the idea of have an infinity point within the plex......
Thanks for your comments.
I am not sure what these 4 people would try to accomplish. Every time they cloak the timer will roll back. They would make no lp they would gain no occupancy. I guess if the enemy militia wanted to waste their time doing this that would be their prerogative but they would lose the war.
Meanwhile militia that would have pilots holding plexes would win.
Also keep in mind that ccp was talking about giving this intel in the form of a map not really notifications. So this behavior would really accomplish nothing.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 21:50:00 -
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SmokinJs Arthie wrote:Cearain wrote:I am not sure what these 4 people would try to accomplish. Disinformation/reduces the ability of the opposing militia from being able to determine which is a real threat or just spam. Cearain wrote:I guess if the enemy militia wanted to waste their time doing this that would be their prerogative but they would lose the war. Meanwhile militia that would have pilots holding plexes would win. The only way they are going to lose the war is if they stop caring about their home systems. Cearain wrote:Also keep in mind that ccp was talking about giving this intel in the form of a map not really notifications. So this behavior would really accomplish nothing. If it is map form are they going to like the stats that lite up on the map? Such as ships killed in the last hour. The whole warzone will glow red. Those kind of stats will be somewhat useless since a plex only takes like 15 minutes. You are only going to catch them if they stay in a system for almost an hour. If it is GÇ£blipsGÇ¥ on the map when a plex is starting to be run the same tactic I showed earlier would create the same disinformation and turn the map into a Led Zeppelin laser light show. Estella Osoka wrote:Players soon learn to ignor the notifications, and then the whole concept is moot. And everyone will go back the system currently is use of having intel channels.
Estella should make up her mind whether this will cause easy pvp or whether it will have no effect.
I don't think anything you suggest is really likely to happen. No one wants to go chase people to save 90% of the systems now. I don't think anyone will want to waste their time giving false information about the 90% of systems.
In any case the issue you raise is completely inapplicable if ccp just has a map that includes this intel.
CCP indicated that this intel would be part of a larger intel project they were working on. They didn't give much as far as details and I am not sure if it was abandoned.
But the idea is that we would have pretty much real time infomation as to what complexes are under attack. That way we can respond to actually defend the military complex before it is lost. You are right that just telling us when there has been plexing activity in the last hour would be useless.
XG and Crosi
If ccp implemented the changes I suggest i would be back in faction war immediately. Many other people would have renewed interest. No one cares now because we do not have the mechanics to deal with massive numbers of alts running plexes.
Even when war zone control offered no rewards I and some others played the game hoping to gain territory for the fun of it. Although it got old because again it was still mainly a pve activity. But now the massive alt invasion that merely runs away from every fight to hide and plex somewhere else has sucked all the fun out of it.
Just because you might not care about more than blobbing a single "home system," that doesn't mean you need to shout down everyone who else would like more out of faction war.
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SmokinJs Arthie wrote:Cearain wrote:If ccp implemented the changes I suggest i would be back in faction war immediately. I've read enough.
The only change that I suggested here that wasn't previously suggested by other players was that alt boosters wouldn't work in plexes unless the alt booster was in the plex as well.
Many other people have suggested that these alt boosters should be on grid all the time. Many people agreed with that, but surely as time goes on more and more such people will simply lose interest in the game. So my suggestion is the same as theirs but if ccp doesn't want to make a drastic change all at once it would be great if they would at least give casual pvpers some respite from them in plexes. Really I would much rather they need to be on grid all the time. So even there I am not posting anything new.
The other 2 changes I proposed were made by other players. And they were also supported by other players. Sorry if you don't like the fact that I find the current fw system fairly demotivating. But I am not alone.
But here we go again. You can't actually think about the idea and give any sort of constructive feedback regarding the idea. Instead you just try say something like Cearain is selfish therefore everyone should ignore his ideas. That's called an ad hominem and its not really a rational way to look at the world.
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote: Im right, you are all wrong We get it, you are right, we are all wrong. All of us. However unlikely that seems.
I am not sure who "all of us" are. CCP and several people proposed better intel. Plenty of people have seen the need for it since faction war started.
But again why not just tell us what is wrong with the idea. And after I give a response instead of saying "Nobody agrees with you so you must be wrong" why not think about the response regarding the proposal instead of attacking the person.
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Posted - 2014.05.02 14:58:00 -
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Zappity wrote:CCP had Faction Warfare second on the list of things that they have been working on in the Game Design Panel. Apparently these things are "either in production or being thought of currently". The list was:
- Industry
- Factional Warfare
- Ship balancing
- Module balancing
- Exploration - Scattering mechanic
- New Player Experience
- Starmap
- Camera/Scanner
I'm surprised. I thought CCP had forgotten all about FW apart from as an ISK sink.
Thanks for the information Zappity. I am not surprised that they see faction warfare as a priority. It seems to me it has allot of untapped potential.
I wonder what "Starmap" means. When they last spoke about fw they indicated that we might bet some better intel through some mapping changes that they were doing on the whole. I wonder if that is what they were getting at.
If they do give plex intel as well rollbacks fw will be in a much better place.
Having ogb links not work in plexes might just be a dream but why not dream big.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:01:00 -
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Adding npcs will make plexing harder for everyone but especially the pvpers. Farmers have no need to fit for pvp so they can entirely get set up to deal with npcs. Increasing the importance of rats just makes fw more of a pve game.
Its not true that rats never interfered with pvp. Fighting for amarr there were plenty of times I had to warp out due to rat damage. It was hard to run majors even in a dominix that had any pvp mods set up. It seems ccp is going backwards to the extent they want npcs to play a larger role in occupancy. Players wanted plexing to be pvp but ccp seems fine with it remaining a carebear activity.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:10:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Cearain wrote:Adding npcs will make plexing harder for everyone but especially the pvpers. Farmers have no need to fit for pvp so they can entirely get set up to deal with npcs. Increasing the importance of rats just makes fw more of a pve game.
Its not true that rats never interfered with pvp. Fighting for amarr there were plenty of times I had to warp out due to rat damage. It was hard to run majors even in a dominix that had any pvp mods set up. It seems ccp is going backwards to the extent they want npcs to play a larger role in occupancy. Players wanted plexing to be pvp but ccp seems fine with it remaining a carebear activity.
If it were simply that the current level rats respawned during the countdown would that be a major problem? They are pretty weak and very easy to kill in a PvP ship. Maybe this is designed to just help remove unfit frigates.
I don't think the current rats are a problem and adding an extra spawn is not a bad move imo. I don't think it will really do much of anything tbh.
Reducing the power of npcs was one of the best things ccp did for pvping in plexes, I don't want to see that undone.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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