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Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.05.19 08:54:00 - [1] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Idunyken Edited by: Idunyken on 18/05/2006 23:09:38 Originally by: Masta Killa And yes, the only times I've seen us outnumber NFC is at the end of a night when we've already killed most of their fleet, losing of course almost nothing. Uhhh, no. By the end of the night we have both scored kills in the single figures, the BE/FLA fleet has mostly logged off after they run out of angles of attack. Then when NFC numbers drop enough you all log back in and we're chased out (if we haven't got bored and left already). That statement is half-truths and hear say. No it's not. It's the absolute truth from a dedicated player who has been personaly present at every fleet engagement since this war began. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.05.19 10:35:00 - [2] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Tozmeister No it's not. It's the absolute truth from a dedicated player who has been personaly present at every fleet engagement since this war began. OK well fact 1) We scored double-figure kills. That prooves that wrong. 2) You say we logged after we ran out of angles of attack. That was also wrong. We logged to take a break and let your numbers cool down. At this point we were outnumbered 3:1 3) After some of your 'dedicated' members left, you still outnumbered us by 1.5:1. After we engaged half your fleet at a safespot and killed 8 or 9 bs, you guys left. Hence what you said wasn't true, it was made up of half truths and hear say. You heard this and saw this and put 2 + 2 together to make 5. Hence I was right. Again, no. check FLA's killboard for the time of this battle (Saturday 13th, from 1800 to midnight) and you'll see your kills totaled 3 ships (1BS and 2 support). I'd check BE's killboard but they don't go back that far, so i'll use FLA's as a point of reference. we, at that time had about 35 ships in our gang vs your 20 or so (thats about 1.5:1 ratio). Not a massive numerical advantage but definately significant in our favour. You guys logged off to let our 'numbers cool', which they did. by about half. then you all logged back in and busted a safespot where our half strength fleet was laying up in which YOU outnumbered US about 1.5:1. Don't belive me? check the killboards and most important check this fraps by your own cov-ops pilot that clearly shows 17 NFC vs (approx) 25 FLA http://www.battleclinic.com/cue/fraps/SS_Bust_14_5_06.avi --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.05.19 12:20:00 - [3] Quite so MrCue. props to you on a job well done. But I belive you will agree me that in that encounter you clearly do out number the NFC forces and Shin Ra's claim of 1.5:1 ratio in favour of NFC is a lie. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:03:00 - [4] Yes, I agree with that first part. that was 90% of our forces in system at that time. all 17 of them. pause the video at the start and count. pause the video again when FLA warp in and count them. 17 vs 25 I make it, thats 1.5:1 in your favour. half the NFC manage to warp out. It's now 9 vs 25, 2.75:1 roughly and a NFC takes loses. but please, show me in that video at what point you are outnumbered by us....? and as said in my previous post, I wasn't using your boards as a reference point, I was using FLA's --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:36:00 - [5] Yes MrCue, we should stop waving e-peens about. A good starting point would be this post of yours from further up the page.... Originally by: MrCue Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 10:49:04 Linkage If im not mistaken, thats 7 BS and 1 cruiser down. Feel free to count your pods/corpses. Interesting U-turn in a matter of hours there..... --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:52:00 - [6] You were the first person to link your own video on these forums. just not in this particular thread. more importantly, It's the 2 lines after the link I was refering to.... Originally by: MrCue Edited by: MrCue on 19/05/2006 10:49:04 If im not mistaken, thats 7 BS and 1 cruiser down. Feel free to count your pods/corpses. 1h 19mins later.... Originally by: MrCue I think that the only important thing is that e-peens stop getting waved.... like I said, U-turn. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.05.19 14:18:00 - [7] MrCue. sorry but you are mixed up here. if you read up you'll see that the '3 ship loss' refers to the time frame of 18:00 to midnight on saturday. The loss at the safespot shown in your video occured at 00:49 hours. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.05.19 14:46:00 - [8] "Better than you"... Better than me personaly? my corp? my alliance? Better how? more SP's? more killmails? have a higher moral code? make a better Lasagne? I'll concede you guys have racked up the kills. but only because of the use of some fairly questionable tactics. I'll escrow you a gold star for a job well done. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:38:00 - [9] Chest-beating? there are 5 threads on the go by FLA and friends about how you are the victims/NFC will be thrown out/none of d2's business. Very few NFC have replied because we are leaving it to our leaders to negotiate rather than bring it to the forums. Only me and a couple of others have broken ranks because of the constant one way properganda war that I can't just sit back and watch happen. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)

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