Here are some things that are paralleled between Helicopter Parenting and Highsec:

Which is not his place to deem as the defacto justification because the reality of the situation is, CCP has made this game in the image they see fit.

fortunately ccp are moving towards correcting the many failings in their complete cockup of an mmo

highsec's clock is ticking

Highsec is the "Helicopter Mom" / Overprotective parent of the regions. People who are raised by it, and are coddled by it their entire lives have no ability to cope with life outside of that cocoon.

The industry changes are a very good start and indicator of how things are going to go. The sooner highsec is nerfed the better the results.

Yeah except that without high-sec there is no game for people who want to play solo or are just generally bad... I've never come out of low-sec or null-sec with more ISK than I went in with.

Yeah except that without high-sec there is no game for people who want to play solo or are just generally bad... I've never come out of low-sec or null-sec with more ISK than I went in with.

Here are some things that are paralleled between Helicopter Parenting and Highsec:



Now if we apply these to Eve:

Yeah except that without high-sec there is no game for people who want to play solo or are just generally bad... I've never come out of low-sec or null-sec with more ISK than I went in with.

How would nerfing high sec equate to more subscriptions or money for CCP?

People who want to play solo should not play a massively multiplayer online role-playing game.

How would nerfing high sec equate to more subscriptions or money for CCP?

You can interact with other players in a MMO without killing them though. High-sec is just safe area which is included in every MMO I have ever played, and usually it takes up the majority of the space in-game.

Actually High-Sec is not safe enough; in other MMOs you can't even attack players in the safe area, so I think we should be discussing ways to make high-sec safer.

Why not? EVE is so vast it welcomes many different playstyles. As long as solo players understand and accept that they're making the game harder for themselves, and losing out on most of the fun.

You can interact with other players in a MMO without killing them though. High-sec is just safe area which is included in every MMO I have ever played, and usually it takes up the majority of the space in-game.

Actually High-Sec is not safe enough; in other MMOs you can't even attack players in the safe area, so I think we should be discussing ways to make high-sec safer.

I answered this one before but, it will allow for more emergent game play which is what CCP gets the most free high impact advertising for. Through some math formula you can turn estimated advertising $ into estimated subscription increase.

What formula would that be exactly?

I could be wrong, but alienating a large part of your existing customers when you just laid off a bunch of people is probably not on CCP's short list of things to do.

I agree, helicopter parenting applies directly to people who cry "nerf highsec"

1. Need for control: make war declarations immediate so I can kill people without concord intervention faster!

2. Bigger, better, faster: It's never good enough, make it better CCP

3. Fear the failure: But if Concord is going to show up and destroy my ship for attacking a miner, it de-incentivizes my desire to act how I wish!

4. Desire to live vicariously: Concord should not exist because I'm tired of them showing up and killing my ship after I attack someone!

5. Entitlement: Self explanatory(their thinking their desire of how things should be taking precedence over others).

6. Wanting to attack people whom CCP have gone out of their way to implement systems to deter aggression against.


Works both ways really, it just depends which side of the fence your on.

People who want to play solo should not play a massively multiplayer online role-playing game.

I have no idea of the exact formula, I'm a scientist not an economist, I do know it exists.

You are assuming the highsec pubbie rapture myth is true, that is simply not the case.

There are plenty of ways to play with others in this game that doesn't include having them blow up your ship. Saying anyone who doesn't want to pvp shouldn't play an mmo is a joke.

The issue isn't with high sec security, it's the lack of rewards from high risk activities or the over rewarding of low risk activities, depending on how you look at it.

Highsec as it is, is an abomination and must be nerfed.

Picture a rosebush, this represents the game. Sometimes it gets too unweildly and needs to be pruned and after pruning it grows back stronger than before.

Highsec has grown unweildly, the safety has been continually increasing much like an unweildly rose bush is continually growing in every which way except the way you want it to.

How has it done this?

It wraps newbies in bubble wrap and allows them to fall when it will most hurt them. For example a newbie that never leaves highsec or participates in any direct PVP hauls all of their stuff in a paper thin industrial which is suicide ganked. Had highsec not have been coddling them they would have died in much cheaper easier to replace things and learned how to manipulate risk : reward to their own advantage.

It allows blight to spread by protecting veteran players from consequences brought about by their own actions. For example the 5 year veteran NPC corp member who hauls billions around highsec completely risk and effort free thanks to wardec immunity/autopilot.

Finally and most insidiously it promotes a toxic ideology of risk aversion. Which is a threat to the economy and game as we know it.


Nerfing highsec by removing wardec invulnerably, by decreasing CONCORD effectiveness, by reducing npc corp advantage, and by actually limiting its resources would allow EVE to expand to new horizons. It would take niches currently filled by NPCs and allow players to fill them proving tonnes of new emergent game play.


One final truth, the highsec pubbie rapture is a lie, thousands of players will not be sucked up gigantic tubes of glowing light to new PVP-free spaceship MMOs if highsec is nerfed. The subscriber base will instead experience unprecedented growth.

They are continually formed because its something that needs to happen. Highsec is preventing emergent gameplay, highsec buffs killed an emergent gameplay event. Anyone remember hulkaggeddon? The highsec AFK-miner advocated barge buff destroyed that wonderful event which drew nationally recognized news coverage and players from all sec areas together for an entertaining event.

Highsec is killing the game one small buff at a time and the only way to combat this is with many highsec nerfs.

Yes lets nerf high sec even more so everyone can become relevant f1 button mashers in the most safest place in the game.

Nerfing highsec by removing wardec invulnerably,

by decreasing CONCORD effectiveness,

by reducing npc corp advantage,

and by actually limiting its resources

One final truth, the highsec pubbie rapture is a lie, thousands of players will not be sucked up gigantic tubes of glowing light to new PVP-free spaceship MMOs if highsec is nerfed. The subscriber base will instead experience unprecedented growth.

Yes lets nerf high sec even more so everyone can become relevant f1 button mashers in the most safest place in the game.