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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.05.18 16:08:00 -
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Thinking that there must be atleast half of the population of EVE that is in various Alliances that got 0.0 access... and YET ... less than 5000 probably not more than a few thousands that actually live in 0.0 so why is that ?.
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TheKoolEagle
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Posted - 2006.05.18 16:11:00 -
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because empire has better deals on equipment 
but seriously, as an amarrian i go out into 0.0 for weeks at a time, seeing as i need no ammo
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.05.18 16:12:00 -
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i guess its also cause many ppl just have the time to shortly log on, do some missions trade runs or whatever and then log off.
a mining session in 0.0 requieres some planning,
all things but belt ratting take some preperation and hours todo properly.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.05.18 16:23:00 -
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Most players don't want to be in 0.0. Simple as that.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.18 16:26:00 -
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All the girls hang out in empire...
No, but seriously, there are some reasons. There was a thread about life in 0.0 that discusses some of them. Pretty good read.
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Gindolar Dunblane
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Posted - 2006.05.18 16:39:00 -
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Before I joined a corp that lived in 0.0 space, I was absolutely petrified to enter it, for fear of being instantly killed. I assume that's why so many people live in empire - they haven't had the chance, or don't want to, join a corp that lives in 0.0.
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ReaperOfSly
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Posted - 2006.05.18 16:44:00 -
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I used to live in 0.0 but I needed a pos so I could build ammo, repair my ship, store loot etc. Had to tear the pos down pretty quickly when the local alliance found out it was there . Made a good profit on the venture though even after fuel costs.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.05.18 16:47:00 -
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All the alts are in empire as well as the macro/isk farmers the trial accounts, the noobs, the long term reserchers etc.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.05.18 16:53:00 -
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Well I have been in 0.0 and I live in low sec (0.2 system) where I mainly do missions.
However and I am not going to join a corp or alliance that force me or my corpmembers to become slaves or ****, as my corp name is Freelancers we roam around and are our own bosses, so is my corp build up as.
Nobody force anyone to do something they don't want to, but yet people frequently join up to help eachother because they got the freedom to do just that.
The reason why I ask is that you often read on the forums the complain about too many people in empire... when the fact is that around half of the players are alliance players that got 0.0 access to live in and still choose to live in empire (and quite possible complaining about too many people living there).
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Oosel
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Posted - 2006.05.18 16:57:00 -
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its just far less hassle in empire.....you dont have to nurse alliance egos or anyone elses for that matter you are not having to watch local all the time you can potter about and just chat with anyone you dont have follow anyones rules and you can do exactly what eve was intended to do have fun......you may not get rich or get uber loot or become famous but so what you can stay have masses of fun in empire and not have to worry about the logistics of 0.0 dwelling
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Siala Ashu
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Oosel
its just far less hassle in empire.....you dont have to nurse alliance egos or anyone elses for that matter you are not having to watch local all the time you can potter about and just chat with anyone you dont have follow anyones rules and you can do exactly what eve was intended to do have fun......you may not get rich or get uber loot or become famous but so what you can stay have masses of fun in empire and not have to worry about the logistics of 0.0 dwelling
And you can go make a sandwich while your battleship meanders to the gate at 142 m/s.
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Alain Josviar
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:06:00 -
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A) They don't have the time for 0.0 due to rl
B) They don't want to deal with alliance politiks
C) They don't want to be shot at
Pick one or more and you'll capture 98% of the reasons why any one person chooses to live in empire space rather than 0.0 space.
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Alessandra Grey
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:18:00 -
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one simple word:
safety.
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Samirol on 18/05/2006 17:19:15
I recently made the move as a freelancer to 0.0 in Big Blue space. I have had some other 0.0 experiences though, but Big Blue/ISS space is probably the best place to start out.
Make sure you check the rules of the space though.
People don't go into 0.0 because they don't know their options.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:21:00 -
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irrational fear...
a irrational fear of loosing imaginery pixels in a game
a irrational fear of been made a slave in a game (dont u hate it when they reach through the monitor to put shakels on you??)
lazines
to lazy to take simple precautions
and the only decent explenation..lack of time
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Caethes Adain
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:33:00 -
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Too much hastle, plus if you're going solo the only thing you can really do is shoot rats.
Yes, you could solo mine but it's just too ****y to deal with, what cool loot you get could be grabbed off you if you get PK'ed and the only ships you can use are amarr for ammo reasons. There's also the alliance crap, gate camps and no stations to dock at.
Still, I hear the money can be okay.
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Dreamdancer
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:39:00 -
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Honestly? Read the tons of posts about 0.0. They all say get friends and do stuff. Never be alone in 0.0. Many people don't have time to always group. Some don't want to group at all. Can't survive in 0.0 alone. Least not for long.
Put a npc, non-conquerable, station in every system in the game and you'll see more people in 0.0. But that would destroy alliances being able to claim territory.
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dreamdancer
Honestly? Read the tons of posts about 0.0. They all say get friends and do stuff. Never be alone in 0.0. Many people don't have time to always group. Some don't want to group at all. Can't survive in 0.0 alone. Least not for long.
Put a npc, non-conquerable, station in every system in the game and you'll see more people in 0.0. But that would destroy alliances being able to claim territory.
There are tons of stations in the NPC inhabited 0.0 regions. Look at Stain, Syndicate, Curse, etc.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Most players don't want to be in 0.0. Simple as that.
Don't want to be, or are afraid?
I'd say the latter.
If you couldn't die to non-consentual PvP in 0.0, can you honestly tell me the population balance would be the same as it is now? (Not that I am advocating that).
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Most players don't want to be in 0.0. Simple as that.
Don't want to be, or are afraid?
I'd say the latter.
If you couldn't die to non-consentual PvP in 0.0, can you honestly tell me the population balance would be the same as it is now? (Not that I am advocating that).
/me blames implants and T2 ships and equip. 
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
/me blames implants and T2 ships and equip.
True to a point I guess.
Still, all my implants are in jump-clones in Empire - my 0.0 clones only use cheap implants and hardwirings.
As for Tech II - well, it is a pain to replace, but the cost isn't an issue with the earning potential in 0.0 ... and you can always use cool faction loot instead :)
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Tuang Pao
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:46:00 -
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It's easier in Empire.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Eternal Fury on 18/05/2006 17:47:01
I'm in a small corp of 10 people. Most of us are under 5 mill sp and we're all buiding up our char's/learning to play. ATM i'm a mission *****. The simple fact is that most of us do our own thing each day solo. We team for some missions and stuff, but we're all just doing our thing.
First, most alliance's dont' want a tiny 10 person corp joining their alliance, or they want PvP vets and so on.
So it's hard for us to get into 0.0. We live on the edge of empire in a very low population zone(market sucks here) and we go about our daily business, training up and learning about pvp combat here and there.
Remember the addage of flying what you can afford to replace?
well, atm I can't afford to replace my bs, so i dont' want to fly it in 0.0 where I may run across 3 pirates who'd 3vs1 me and wipe me out.
We ARE trying to get into an alliance in our area, but things seem to be going slow..
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 18/05/2006 17:48:52
Originally by: Eternal Fury
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This guy seems to have his head screwed on the right way.
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Wrench Head
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:54:00 -
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i wanted to go to 0.0 but tough time finding a corp with ppl online when i play
easier to study in empire, sitting in a belt, nose in my book, not a care in the world...
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Dnol Arendale
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:07:00 -
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You heard the man, get his corp into an alliance, stat!
But in all seriousness, life in 0.0 is not easy. Getting out there is tough, because of all the blockades you have to get through. Living there is tough because of ammo issues, and the constant(although not all that likely) threat of running across some pirates. It's a good thing that 0.0 space isn't overly populated. Could you imagine being in a completely lawless system with 50 other players?? It would be a touch ridiculous, and dangerous. while it would be nice if you didn't have to grease some palms to get out there, 0.0 space is fine in its present state of emptiness.
I'd kind of like to see some small alliance camp some gates from emp to 0.0 space, not to keep people out, but to let people in :p They'd be anti campers... It'd be a nice idea, imo, if a little impractical.
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Magus Prime
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:16:00 -
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<--- nub here
What's "empire" ?
I understand 0.0 is lawless space, no NPC security forces, etc, but what do you guys mean by "empire space"?
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Ogotai
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Posted - 2006.05.18 22:07:00 -
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I was in a 0.0 alliance for a few months, and operated in a few low sec sys a few months befor that. 2 weeks ago i quit went back to an npc corp to run missions and maby pick up mining.
The reasons being that more often then not i only have a few hours a day to play (one reason i love EVE's skill system) and i want to go kill some rats or run some missions in the time i have. probably 75% of the alliance events (mining, pvp etc) were scheduled for some odd hour i had no chance of attending, if i even knew about them as they were rarely mentioned in chat or forums. Most of the ops if i went on all i would do would be sit at a gate or station for several hours and do nothing waiting for an enemy that might do something. Also for various reason i usually cant run TS or vent so i cant even get a gang invite even if i wanted. With the several war decs befor i left, some days all i could do if i loged on was sit in a station as if i undocked id be killed in seconds.
point is this is a GAME, i play it to have FUN and RELAX. all of that i can do in empire with alot less hassel, and can do when i choose to. Im not saying that all the 0.0 alliance politics and conflicts are a bad idea, i actually think is amazing that there is a game that allows for this kind of thing to take place, and i fully understand why most alliances are so hostile to neutrals in their space. Just that type of playstyle is not going to appeal to everyone nor should it be the sole focuse of the game that everything else revolves around. |
Hephaesteus
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Posted - 2006.05.18 22:24:00 -
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I've been in 0.0 a few times and tbh it bored the pants off me. Sitting at a gate for 3 hours waiting for something to shoot at gets old very quickly. Plus skill books, equipment decent ships to fly can be a bit scarce and when that happens it is a freighter run to empire to get the stuff you need which can take hours cos of the gate camps. 
Only good thing about 0.0 is you can shoot anything, any time.
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.05.18 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alain Josviar
A) They don't have the time for 0.0 due to rl
B) They don't want to deal with alliance politiks
C) They don't want to be shot at
Pick one or more and you'll capture 98% of the reasons why any one person chooses to live in empire space rather than 0.0 space.
Thats pretty much it. I'll take A and B out of that list.
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