If I have a supercap bpo in for pe1 now, and approximately 75% done (3 mos out of 4 total completed) when the patch hits in june, how will that be handled. Will it still come out at TE1, after 4 months of research, when the "new" TE1 would have taken much much less overall time? It seems like it should come out at a higher level given the amount of time it will have spent in research, but If the conversion is just based off the current level on the bpo, I'll fall thru the cracks?

Does anyone else see a problem with the potential length of higher-level research jobs in Kronos? It was mentioned earlier but haven't seen much discussion on this aspect ....

Currently almost everything(?) you do in EVE takes less than 1 - 2 months - and even the highest quality ME / TE can be incrementally improved in ~1 month increments.

Kronos seems to be bringing some research increments on the order of ~Years instead of months (for some BPO's) ...

What do people think - is this a significant issue or nothing to worry about?

When CCP seems to actively be making everything "more accessible" for newer players, does it make sense to be creating jobs that have to bake in the oven (without any interaction, completely all or nothing with no way to pause / stop / move / adjust for that long without losing all research costs/mats/progress)?

Will the changes affect existing T2 BPCs (as in adjust their TE/ME to the new standard), or only new T2 BPCs invented after the changes go live?

So much has changed in the last couple pages.

I gave my opinion on the ranks of capital ships some (20ish) pages ago. If titans are set at rank 480, then one can get that blueprint from ME0 to ME9 in 1 year, 2 months 23 days. Then for the last level from ME9 to Perfect in an additional 1 year, 8 months, 12 days. Total research time 2 years, 11 months, 6 days. These times are assuming metallurgy 5 and an NPC station. Someone who can put it in a Hyasyoda lab and avoid attracting attention can go from 0 to perfect in 1 year, 10 months, 28 days.

Since the Hyasyoda lab was changed from a 0.75 time modifier to a 0.65, maybe rank 480 is too small. Rank 600 would still be in the same ballpark of 2 years to get the last level in an NPC station or 16 months in a POS. Two years for the longest research times will make most people say, "no, it's not worth it." But it is not too long that it is totally impossible. So if titans are in the area of 600, other capital ships scale down from there.


But you should also think about the other end of the spectrum. What level to stop researching a blueprint to should be a meaningful decision at all times. The current proposal is to have all T1 ammo be rank 1 and most T1 modules to be rank 2. For a rank 1 blueprint, it takes 2 days 5 hours to get from 0 to perfect ME. An additional 2 days 5 hours to get to perfect PE. So you can go from NPC buy order to perfect/perfect in less than 5 days. Everybody will do that. Nobody will ever build from a blueprint that is less than perfect/perfect.

I suggest making T1 ammo be rank 5. Here are the research times at rank 5:
ME1.......6 minutes, 33 seconds
ME2.......15 minutes, 37 seconds
ME3.......37 minutes, 11 seconds
ME4.......1 hour, 28 minutes
ME5.......3 hours, 30 minutes
ME6.......8 hours, 20 minutes
ME7.......19 hours, 47 minutes
ME8.......1 day, 23 hours, 8 minutes
ME9.......4 days, 16 hours, 11 minutes
ME10....11 days, 2 hours, 40 minutes

Then players have interesting decisions. When work teams can save 4%, 5%, 7.5%? off material costs, then players need to think about the benefit of one more ME level. It is a no-brainer to spend 1 day to get to ME7. But then should you sacrifice 1 more day of production to get it to ME8? After that, should you lose 3 more days to get it to ME9? After that, should you invest another week to get it to perfect? And how high do you research PE? Perhaps PE 14 will be "good enough" for most people, and some people will choose to train all the way to PE20 on blueprints they plan to build a great deal from.

And some people can say, "I don't want to spend 3 weeks to make a perfect/perfect blueprint. I'll pay someone to do it for me."

If ammunition is rank 5, then T1 drones should be rank 8, and T1 modules rank 10. Then you can extrapolate from there. I actually think rank 20 for frigates, 40 for cruisers, and 60 for battleships is pretty good.

Some people have a life outside EVE. They log in for a couple hours, a couple times a week. They are not really interested in the hassles that come from being in a mega alliance.

Think about the number of accounts vs. the online numbers. 300K accounts and 20K online. 6.7% online at any given time? That is a lot of casual players.

Pre-change, even the casual player could compete. Buy a BPO and research it to perfect, or close enough. Put up a mineral buy order in a trade hub, come back days later to see it filled. Move the minerals a couple jumps and put in a build job, come back days later to see it completed. Move the items a couple jumps to trade hub, put up a sell oder, and wait for days for people to buy your stuff. There was no special advantage to being part of a mega alliance.

This sort of casual player is a HUGE chunk of CCP's revenue, and this industry overhaul destroys them.

Minimum price is going to be set by hardcore null bears and mega alliances that control the teams. If you're not one of those, you will not be able to obtain minimum production price which sets market, and therefore, will not be able to manufacture at a profit.


I get that the mega alliances like these changes that squeeze the casual players out of the game. I'm just not sure it is such a great thing for CCP, or the game, or the casual players that being in the bulk of CCP's revenue.

With these industrial changes, blob warfare comes to manufacturing..

They should also be restricted to building only from POS as well....

This stems from the change to round up. I see two possible solutions. 1) Exempt caps from round up and still use round as caps are never done in batches. 2) Multiply the required number of components by 10 or 100 and then divide the size and required materials for each component by the same factor.

My apologies, I should have stated seldom. Even in batches, they at best being done in batches of 3 due to the 30 day cap.

Even in batches of three, there is still a significant percentage of the bonus contained in the last 1% (22% for a 3 batch, 30% for a 2 batch. For what used to be a perfect blueprint this is not trivial.