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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2014.04.28 23:38:00 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Querns wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:I'm going to keep asking this very simple question in every blog until it gets answered.
What the hell are you guys going to do with the Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory to ensure that it stays roughly at the same price point it is now. AKA not making them useless and not making them OP. I think everyone is waiting for the cost scaling blog before getting too concerned about pos module costs. I'm not everyone, these are very very special modules. If these get nerfed its a huge penalty to the Caldari Epic line rewards, which may make them not worth running.
Sometimes you win the speculation game, sometimes you lose.
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:00:00 -
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No one is quitting over any of this except maybe Mr. 'I literally spent :10bux: on PLEX for BPOs'
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:15:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Udonor wrote:
Keep in mind that in real life a lot of the "faithful" player base is getting so old in real life they are starting to die off - literally. Frankly supporting your traditional fan base just limits a game's growth. Kill off the elitist pseudo-intellectual complications and domination of spreadsheet geeks.
Chaos is GOOD.
I just press F1. Hey I could be goon.
F1 is cloak
The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:21:00 -
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Given how it is possible to use a BPO in a POS with absolutely zero risk to the BPO I don't see the big deal out of this.
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.29 02:05:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Dramaticus wrote:Given how it is possible to use a BPO in a POS with absolutely zero risk to the BPO I don't see the big deal out of this. It won't be after the change. The BPO will need to be physically present at the POS it is being used at. (Source: first blog). So the BPO will be at risk from the time the POS is reinforced, until the time the BPO is secured in a station or the POS attackers are defeated. If you decide to keep the BPO in the POS and defend it, it is at risk there if you fail to defend the POS. If you decide to transport the BPO out of the POS and to the station, it is at risk while in transport. I expect BPOs under a billion will regularly be located in POSes and BPOs over a billion will mostly never leave empire stations, the exception being those sovereign nullsec alliances that (rightly or wrongly) consider their stations 100% safe.
You can and will still be able to use a BPO in a POS with absolutely zero risk to the BPO.
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.29 17:35:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Weaselior wrote:Regan Rotineque wrote:adding another voice to the 100 lvl idea - tjis would allow much more flexibility in terms of conversion and create far fewer 'perfect' scenarios, and at the same time reward those who invested additional time to 'market shape' their BPO collection for the purposes of selling bpc's or bpc kits. these people are idiots and should not be rewarded for their idioticy Way to put apples and oranges together. One thing is how the stuff will be implemented (complex or simple) another is how to deal with current BPOs. It was not an act of idiocy to have very pristine BPOs for those who were strong in the BPC copies markets. I have all ME500+ capital component BPOs and other BPOs have taken 2 years to research to be the best of all on the market. This was a long term investment, we had no "preadvice" our investments would be worth zero " :because: ". How CCP will deal with this (in a simple or complex manner) is not related with the simple fact that people invested in stuff for a result and now the result is being deleted.
It was absolutely an act of idiocy, an act of vanity and another wonderful display of bad game mechanic knowledge. You and other BPO copy marketeers wasted years upon years of research time for a benefit that doesn't even amount to a rounding error.
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:20:00 -
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If we have a Venn diagram of 'Crippling Autism' and 'Bad Decisions' the ME/TE whoring would be the overlap.
The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:42:00 -
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I'm more amazed he couldn't come up with some sort of chart showing the ever diminishing returns he was getting by researching BPOs for years on end.
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:39:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:also: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342096&p=14CCP Nullarbor wrote:
Confirming the new Industry will not do any material rounding until AFTER we multiply by the number of runs, meaning material efficiency discounts due to facility / teams / skills / blueprints / whatever may produce slightly better results with multiple runs.
all intermediate research has value even without teams and pos, as even 1% off a 5-item bpo will have an effect in sufficiently large job runs so that just buried the last tiny shread of worth that the stupid idea LHA has been spamming relentlessly has so i hope we can all discuss something besides LHA playing My First Game Design
would you say his opinions on research are... poorly researched?
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:35:00 -
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YOU CANT CHANGE BPOS YOU WILL REGRET THIS!!!
The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2014.05.13 02:06:00 -
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Luke Erata wrote:... i will leave the exact math to better educated minds but i think the idea is sound.
Better educated minds think your idea is ****
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:14:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Greyscale says "minor tweaks rather than tossing FUBAR ideas".
My response: "Glad I'm already unsubbed. Saves the effort of logging in all my accounts and unsubbing them all."
Sit back with the popcorn and watch the disaster unfold, playing EVE Offline while cloaky camped in and waiting for game time I stupidly paid for to run out.
Half my accounts go inactive in 2 days, with the rest following 60 days later.
CCP, it was nice to know ya.
Yo homes smell ya later
The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.14 00:46:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:
Considering it, not 100% committed to it, still soliciting feedback on what exactly people would find reasonable so we can figure out if there's a good balance to be struck.
Perhaps some sort of CONCORD issued medal for keeping research lines clogged for years on end because the concept of diminishing returns is completely foreign to them.
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:45:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:Quintessen wrote:Please consider that new players probably won't be guaranteed access to a POS and so it's probably a bad idea to calculate all the numbers with that in mind.
I would imagine you would want to take into consideration the time of the trial into account. Research that requires time beyond the trial for the beginner stuff is going to prevent them from fully testing out industry beforehand. The new industrialist is going to find that his production price is above market sell price. He'll go read blogs to learn that if you aren't building with the best teams, then there is no point to building at all. He'll then discover that all the best teams are in null, or in solar systems without station services where all the moons have a small POS of a mega alliance. He'll then have the option of paying dues to belong to one of the mega alliances that have cornered the market on best teams, or just mining and selling minerals to members of the mega alliances. Assuming this is feasible (its not), why is this a bad thing?
Because it rattles his world
The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.14 16:30:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Danastar wrote:Danastar wrote:Hello Guys,
I apologize for not being able to follow the discussion closely and read all the comments. If my question is already answered I ask for excuse one more time.
In the early stage of the research dev blogs, there was an idea for compensation of some sort for the ones that own highly researched BPOs. Is there final conclusion for that, is there going to be some sort of compensation and if yes, how is it going to be processed.
Thank You.
--Danastar
no one? c'mon guys, devs, little lost green alines... :) After a *lot* of discussion, we came to the conclusion that, for a number of reasons, we are not going to be enacting any form of compensation. There's a lot of things feeding into this decision, including the strong precedent it sets, the fact that no functional value is lost, and the work involved in a one-time compensation deal that could be spent on polishing up the features we're shipping. We understand that some people will be unhappy about this, and we empathize with that, but we have to weigh everyone's interests equally and we believe in this case that the best thing for the game as a whole is to convert blueprints to the new system as previously described but not make any additional changes in this area.
I think I love you so what am I so afraid of?
The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal
The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them |
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