First of why change something to make it easier to understand?

I have one but it's a bit of a mess as it's got all kinds of misc math scattered all over it :/ With the info in the data dump it's pretty easy to calculate it though, I'm sure someone will be along shortly with a complete reference.

(Can someone be along shortly with a complete reference?)

select b.typeName, a.researchMaterialTime / 6000 as ME_Rank, a.researchProductivityTime / 6000 AS TE_Rank, a.researchCopyTime / 6000 AS Copy_Rank FROM invBlueprintTypes a LEFT JOIN invTypes b ON (a.blueprintTypeID = b.typeID) ORDER BY b.typeName;

Care to elaborate? (Even privately?)

MDD

That is a terrible hatchet job of an idea.

I think some complete overhaul of base requirements to copy a T2 BPO is needed.

There are already too many items which are unviable to invent due to T2 BPOs imo.

But wouldn't we already have invested that time in research anyway so we gain nothing extra?
As for 'scooping' unnecessarily high bpo's do you mean paying someone who researched them a fair price for them.

Please note the costs and effort in researching the originals was not 'free' by any stretch of the imagination and neither was it some crazy mad idea to get high research on blueprints as doing so added isk value to those items.

Actually, you know this isn't true. There is a widely held perception that BPOs, and thus BPCs, with higher ME/PE are worth more, and this perception creates reality.

You can see this in the BPC contract market, where players routinely pay more for BPCs with ME/PE values far exceeding "perfect".

I'm going to keep asking this very simple question in every blog until it gets answered.

What the hell are you guys going to do with the Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory to ensure that it stays roughly at the same price point it is now. AKA not making them useless and not making them OP.

today there have been winners (T2 BPO holders)

One thing I find people missing about T2 BPO's:

Nobody will produce T2 BPO's via POS anymore, meaning they are going to lose 25% production. So while yes if they now install copy jobs and multiple install jobs they can get a 6% more advantage, they are still down 19% and doing more work.

Meaning:

Invention will have to fill that gap of 19 to 25%, so say 22% if half the people copy and the other half don't. This helps invention.

It was not an act of idiocy to have very pristine BPOs for those who were strong in the BPC copies markets.

Not sure how you correlate that. What advantage does the 10 level system have over a 100 level system, besides from being less complex? (although it is still simple enough for anyone remotely intelligent to comprehend)

The only people I see getting knickers in a twist at the moment are the goons. As all their acolytes keep showing up all of a sudden, I am guessing they have some vested interest in this. No need to answer that though.

You and the other "cabal" members exploited the FW loophole and earned some massive ISK with the "FW Forex" scandal, you complained for tens of pages about how unfair it was that CCP punished you.

In fact CCP, instead of perma banning the whole Goonswarm top hierarchy involved in the exploit, they decided you were Too Big To Fail (imagine the protest risking CCP to lose 10k players in few days: does not happen) so they only removed the exploited stuff.

Apparently I am relevant enough to raise you and all the other center-pieces from the top of the biggest alliance.

Not apparently, you did not laugh when CCP took away the FW Forex booty nor your alliance members laughed at you.

You unanimously cried a lake of tears. Don't talk me your "hypothesis" about what would have happened if scenarios when we have the tangible "what actually happened".

Yet you don't mock them.

aqueous

Considering it, not 100% committed to it, still soliciting feedback on what exactly people would find reasonable so we can figure out if there's a good balance to be struck.

For these reasons we will probably keep T1 ammo where it is. In light of your post, though, I'm considering kicking at least some T1 modules up to higher ranks to create a broader spread there; potentially f.ex scaling rank by module size, and pinning most of the unsized module around cruiser sized modules. Seem reasonable?

I'm updating my big-ass spreadsheet to link T1 and T2 typeIDs so I can run the math on making copy time 80% of build time in all cases and then setting invention time to "(build time / 2) - copy time"; while I'm working on it, does anyone think this is going to make their head explode?

Another thing to think about - if we mess with the invention math so we can kick max run counts up without breaking a bunch of things (including making sure we scale job time correctly against output runs), does the potentially large increase in practical invention throughput risk breaking the market? If you could put in 24 hours' worth of invention in one go, are we going to see a destructive glut of T2 BPC supply?

I'm going to come around to T2 BPO copy issues eventually :) We'd like T2 BPOs to be copying ideally, but not if it's only viable for balance reasons in a gallente outpost.

Or make T2 BPos only copyable in a POS (eg: require an advanced lab for T2 BPO copy jobs)

After a *lot* of discussion, we came to the conclusion that, for a number of reasons, we are not going to be enacting any form of compensation. There's a lot of things feeding into this decision, including the strong precedent it sets, the fact that no functional value is lost, and the work involved in a one-time compensation deal that could be spent on polishing up the features we're shipping. We understand that some people will be unhappy about this, and we empathize with that, but we have to weigh everyone's interests equally and we believe in this case that the best thing for the game as a whole is to convert blueprints to the new system as previously described but not make any additional changes in this area.