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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.28 18:15:00 -
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I'm gonna start by saying that cargo expanders should at least have a stacking penalty. I'm not saying nerf maximum cargohold, I think the base amount should be buffed. The worst thing about industrial fits is that they don't have any free low slots. Also, they really can't haul enough to compete with freighters. The only people I see hauling in industrials are the ones with low SP or are just not hauling much stuff.
I like using an industrial because I don't have enough to fill a freighter, and I like to fly something small and fast, with a bit of armor to fend off suicide gankers. The industrial buff was definitely precedented. Unfortunately, only the Gallente line wound up with a nice arrangement. The little industrials are great for hauling general cargo, but the big ones are still too squishy even after getting a HP buff, and they don't even carry as much cargo as you can tow in some of the redesigned Iteron hulls.
But my real purpose for being here is to share with you my experience flying a Krystallos industrial. I use it on my alt when I mine ice. It holds 64,500 m3 of reprocessed ice products. I can really stock up for a while, and then haul all of that to town at once. That saves a lot of time since I mine ice pretty far away from Jita. And best of all, I have all those low slots free to fit a good tank because Jita is full of gankers, so fitting tank is really important.
Anyway, end rant. What do you guys like about each industrial?
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.04.28 18:16:00 -
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--> Ships & Modules
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
952
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Posted - 2014.04.28 18:17:00 -
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Kryos*
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1169
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Posted - 2014.04.28 18:18:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Kryos*
thanks. Oops.
I'm also discussing tactics here. I think it fits where I put it.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Jur Tissant
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.04.28 18:21:00 -
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It's no secret that Gallente dominates T1 haulers. I use an Epithal for low-sec PI hauling and it hasn't failed me yet. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3056
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Posted - 2014.04.28 18:22:00 -
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I really like the wreathe for hauling smaller volume cargo around. It aligns in just under 4 seconds, room for 5.8k m3, warps at 6.5 AU/s and sports around 25k EHPs. YMMV, depending on your fit and skills. I think it's a nice little convenient steam train to have around. CHOO CHOO !
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes
Margin of Silence
3115
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Posted - 2014.04.28 18:23:00 -
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i'm going to go offtopic straight away and express the opinion that all of the indies should have been designed with 'special' bays (unexpandable general cargos) plus small normal cargo bays so that they weren't designed around filling all their slots with expanders
industrials are boring enough anyway without designing them all around having one fit |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1169
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Posted - 2014.04.28 18:27:00 -
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I don't see anything wrong with having expanders make a difference. And if they had a stacking penalty, it could be that the expanders are useful to a point but you wouldn't use more than 3 or 4 of them max.
It's on topic because this thread covers all that stuff. I didn't want to put it in S&M or F&ID because it covers topics on both sides as well as in between and elsewhere. Plus, what else is this forum actually good for, anyway?
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes
Margin of Silence
3115
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Posted - 2014.04.28 18:36:00 -
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even then, though, you're kinda designing the thing around 'it's going to have three expanders'
i'd prefer it something like '18,000m3 special bay +2k per level (that still carries everything), 500m3 cargobay'
then start exploring some more interesting bonuses than 'agility or velocity' and more interesting slot layouts than 'tons of lows plus some mids for the shield tank we both know you're going to use' |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4979
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Posted - 2014.04.28 19:06:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Liam Inkuras wrote:Kryos* thanks. Oops. I'm also discussing tactics here. I think it fits where I put it.
--> Warfare & Tactics
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1171
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Posted - 2014.04.28 20:12:00 -
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Looks like my thread fits just about everywhere.
I don't see a problem with needing 3 or 4 cargo expanders to max the cargohold. You can use rigs to do it, for one. Alternatively, you can use only one or two, and still get the majority of the max possible cargo. It's really the first two that make the biggest difference. And still, even with none, you still have over half the max cargohold. I think a person should have to give a little to get a little.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes
Margin of Silence
3115
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Posted - 2014.04.28 20:25:00 -
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well, as long as there's still spare slots to keep the ship interesting. since we're argreeing on the problem i shouldn't be arguing about a "better" solution, sorry  |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1174
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:51:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:well, as long as there's still spare slots to keep the ship interesting. since we're argreeing on the problem i shouldn't be arguing about a "better" solution, sorry Nonsense. A healthy debate is always a good thing. A thousand people can notice an obvious problem but if none of them proposes a good fix, then they aren't helping as much as one person noticing and giving a great solution.
The more people you have looking at solutions and talking with each other, the better the net solutions you come up with.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Mildew Wolf
174
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Posted - 2014.04.28 22:01:00 -
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Nereus is pretty fun for fighting frigs and stuff |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
647
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Posted - 2014.04.28 22:43:00 -
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Mildew Wolf wrote:Nereus is pretty fun for fighting frigs and stuff
With good fitting skills a Nereus can pack a large shield extender and still fit a MWD/Cloak some Warp Stabs, nanos and a bunch of Hob IIs. Good little lowsec tramp steamer. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5500
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Posted - 2014.04.28 22:46:00 -
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As an addendum to what people are saying about the Nereus, if you are hauling in highsec and getting ganked, the Nereus can be fitted to tank 500+ dps easily. That ship is obscene.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Doireen Kaundur
840
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Posted - 2014.04.28 22:51:00 -
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T3 Haulers!!
Make it happen, CCP.
A great American humorist and author recently said:
"The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices."
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
648
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Posted - 2014.04.28 22:56:00 -
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That's freighters, its just someone misplaced the subsystems. You know got lost in the last restructure. |
Freight Dee Kat
Dragonfire Industries
Weyr Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.04.28 23:03:00 -
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Uhh...
The kryos doesn't haul refined ice products. Unless something was changed just recently.
It only holds minerals in its Mineral bay.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
904
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Posted - 2014.04.28 23:31:00 -
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This sounds like you're enjoying the fact that the hauler in question
has built-in cargo that carries large amounts of expensive goods,
without sacrificing tank.
You're not a greedy person either.
Anyhow, prices may change some day.
That was a great read. *sips peppermint tea*
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Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears!
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Geezelbub
Barely Illegal
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Posted - 2014.04.28 23:38:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:This sounds like you're enjoying the fact that the hauler in question
has built-in cargo that carries large amounts of expensive goods,
without sacrificing tank.
You're not a greedy person either.
Anyhow, prices may change some day.
That was a great read. *sips peppermint tea*
Do you even have a clue???? What's in that tea?
Anyway fly a TANKED Orca, about 90k m3 and, with the right fit and skills, about 240k+ ehp....PLUS ASB's |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
649
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Posted - 2014.04.29 00:27:00 -
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Geezelbub wrote:Solecist Project wrote:This sounds like you're enjoying the fact that the hauler in question
has built-in cargo that carries large amounts of expensive goods,
without sacrificing tank.
You're not a greedy person either.
Anyhow, prices may change some day.
That was a great read. *sips peppermint tea* Do you even have a clue???? What's in that tea? Anyway fly a TANKED Orca, about 90k m3 and, with the right fit and skills, about 240k+ ehp....PLUS ASB's
not doing that in lowsec |
Geezelbub
Barely Illegal
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Posted - 2014.04.29 00:54:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:
not doing that in lowsec
Why in the world would I stray into that cesspool? |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
651
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:26:00 -
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Geezelbub wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:
not doing that in lowsec
Why in the world would I stray into that cesspool?
cos half a bill per alt from losec P2 PI ... for just moving extractors weekly and actually hauling out once every 6 weeks :D
Works out about 200-300 mill per hour if you do it right. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
394
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Posted - 2014.04.29 04:53:00 -
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Bustard. 18k m3, Godly tank.
Can tank any number of catalysts thrown at it.
85% resists, VS a catalyst, 147k EHP - takes 10+ catalysts to gank it.
Not too shabby.
Only problem is EMP damage - but you dont see tornado EMP gank squads very often. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1180
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Posted - 2014.04.29 05:27:00 -
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10 catalysts is pretty cheap compared to what people are probably going to be hauling in that bustard.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
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