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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
877
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:15:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Yay! It's Psymn err, I mean Crosi.
XG I am not sure why you are posting about Black Rebel Rifter Club. I wasn't the one bragging about how many kills my corp gets. In fact I said I have been inactive and the corp might be as well. But thats ok keep posting whatever numbers make you feel better.
I gave my reasons why I think I got more fights staying outside of militia. If anyone cares to read what someone who was both neutral and in faction war after inferno has to say, they can consider it. If they just want opinions from people who haven't done both since the major changes in inferno then they can listen to you and Crosi.
BTW: I think Zarnak makes a good point. I think militias are somewhat more alert when they see an enemy in system rather than a neutral.
Psy is my main, crosi is just my forum alt.
You are correct, you have barely any experience from 2 perspectives, we have vastly more up to date and practical experience from one while also having no difficulty extrapolating the realities of living outside FW.
Nothing wrong with being neutral, nothing wrong with your stats. Just the dishonest way you use them. Like dividing kills by total players in JUSTK with no understanding of their structure in terms of cyno/pos/deplexing alts and inactives.
To measure activity you really have to look at active players. And in that respect, as much as it may confuse you, conflict drivers in militia create a lot of activity for those of us online. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1462
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:45:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Starbuck05 wrote:Beeing in fw you will have less opponents to shoot but will benefit from making money . My corp and guys in my corp rack up tons more kills than pirate groups every month. I think it's because we're able to be "on station" 23/7 available for fights. my alt made 34 kills for few hours this Sunday.... Participated in Burn Jita (killing criminals).....
(more kills doesn't mean more pvp) The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2173
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:08:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Starbuck05 wrote:Beeing in fw you will have less opponents to shoot but will benefit from making money . My corp and guys in my corp rack up tons more kills than pirate groups every month. I think it's because we're able to be "on station" 23/7 available for fights. my alt made 34 kills for few hours this Sunday.... Participated in Burn Jita (killing criminals)..... (more kills doesn't mean more pvp) Especially for pirate groups that camp high sec gates 23/7, or high sec griefing corporations.
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
1111
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:34:00 -
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Cearain wrote:I simply posted a pirate corp that gets about 50% more kills per player than XGs faction war corp.
You need a huge active membership as a pirate corp to get more kills than an active fw corp. If you divided total kill by active members - I would think XGals dudes get more kills than any pirates.
Having been pie for a little while and comparing what it is like compared to how fw was - We get much less pvp now as pirates.
As a pirate you cant engage on gates/stations in frigates or dessies due to guns + It seems more people run away cause 'ebil piwate'. No one has incentive or a need to chase us away from plexes/systems.
Just those factors alone have made a huge difference. In general the pvp was also of much higher quality pvp when in fw.
Docked since 2009. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
877
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:45:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Cearain wrote:I simply posted a pirate corp that gets about 50% more kills per player than XGs faction war corp. You need a huge active membership as a pirate corp to get more kills than an active fw corp. If you divided total kill by active members - I would think XGals dudes get more kills than any pirates. Having been pie for a little while and comparing what it is like compared to how fw was - We get much less pvp now as pirates. As a pirate you cant engage on gates/stations in frigates or dessies due to guns + It seems more people run away cause 'ebil piwate'. No one has incentive or a need to chase us away from plexes/systems. Just those factors alone have made a huge difference. In general the pvp was also of much higher quality pvp when in fw.
Understandable, standby to be told why you are completely wrong. If you think your so called 'experience' is in any way a match for cearains baseless intuition and ignorance you have another thing coming!
It will take the form of 9 meaty paragraphs, including some stats and fallacious conclusions. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2173
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:50:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote: Understandable, standby to be told why you are completely wrong. If you think your so called 'experience' is in any way a match for cearains baseless intuition and ignorance you have another thing coming!
It will take the form of 9 meaty paragraphs, including some stats and fallacious conclusions.
If were lucky he might elaborate on his masterplan to fix faction war!
IbanezLaney is just one guy with a skewed perspective on the matter. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2092
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:58:00 -
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Piracy in FW space is basically deciding that you will take sentries if you shoot anyone who isn't flashy, everyone is your enemy, everyone can shoot you without taking sentries (which allows a gang you would normally take on with your gang to split you up horribly since you can't all fight back, so you have to abandon whatever mate got tackled even though you could have totally taken that fight if it wan't on a gate) and you get absolutely no isk.
That said you should totally pick piracy. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Raptors Mole
Space Mutts The Harlequin's
174
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Posted - 2014.04.30 11:54:00 -
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OP,
Back on track.......
Join FW but not a corp. Make isk and fight. Settle in for a bit then decide to either join a FW corp that you have met and get on with or go Pirate - again solo or with a corp that you like.
Lots of E-Peen willy waving goes on in FW - As this thread demonstrates. (Pirates are not immune to this)
Top tip - Very few Pirate types make isk from PvP, there are means of doing so in Low Sec.
Pew pew and have fun.
Raptors |
Ding Bang Oww
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:40:00 -
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Lol Justified Chaos talking like they are actual PvPers :)
Because camping Tama gate and racking up noobs is PvP |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2179
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:43:00 -
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Ding Bang Oww wrote:Lol Justified Chaos talking like they are actual PvPers :)
Because camping Tama gate and racking up noobs is PvP I think you have the wrong corp there. |
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Ding Bang Oww
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:46:00 -
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=22638474
Also notice how on JC's killboard their pie chart with the most amount of red is "points"
This is because points are awarded mostly for solo fights and against similar-sized and tiered ships. In other words, most of JC's kills come from blobs, camps, or just bullying weaker ships. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2179
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Posted - 2014.04.30 14:25:00 -
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GF o/ |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
680
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:16:00 -
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TBH you should all just uninstall. nom nom
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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Doom Generation THE H0NEYBADGER
363
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:26:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:TBH you should all just uninstall.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2096
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:53:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:TBH you should all just uninstall.
BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
George Gouillot
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
12
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Posted - 2014.05.01 06:33:00 -
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Cearain wrote:I think Starbuck 05 pretty much summed it up.
Here is my experience from when I used to pvp in low sec.
For Pvp, if you mainly fight in plexes pirating is better. Not only do you almost double your targets, you can have several bases so you don't need to spend so much time reshipping.
If you want to gate camp or fight on gates then militia might be better. I rarely would do either so this wasn't really a benefit.
As far as money, when I was in fw I never really wanted to wait out a plex timer after I fought someone anyway. No one is likely to show up since most militia will not even know you are there.
If I wanted to spend time making money I would get in a stealth bomber and run fw missions for the winning side. That is still what I I would do I started using an alt for that.
thought you took a leave from forumposting, hoped it was an unlimited one, left disappointed |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
911
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Posted - 2014.05.01 10:25:00 -
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Noble sentiments throughout, but you must account for human nature in your consideration.
Joining FW for PvP primary and ISK secondary has a tendency to backfire when the numbers start flying by in wallet, many a well intentioned PvP'er has been reduced to base farm-hands doing little beside grind plexes/missions. Is of course possible but will require some willpower on your part to keep the pew primary.
Militia pilots generally run from flashies because they have a reputation for "cheating", with link abuse being the primary form closely followed by the ever popular gang-bangs. Again it is possible, but you need to build a reputation of fighting "fair" before the general population begins to stay their ground instead of heading for the hills at the first sign of your particular disco light.
The single most prevalent reason for fight-that-never-happen is assumption; PvP'ers (pirates included) assume militia pilots will run and thus doesn't bother while the latter assume PvP'ers (pirates included) have links on some neutral in local or friends nearby ready to trololol. Sadly those assumptions have grown out of past events (Oh God, neutral T3's EVERYWHERE! ), and until some sort of general consensus manages to reverse the habit of all involved to want to stack the deck in their favour the amount of tantric sex good, random PvP where both parties are satisfied regardless of outcome will be limited.
Best suggestion is: to join a militia and do your utmost to prevent the slide into farming. You'd have access to what is probably the largest, most reliable revenue stream in EVE while retaining the option to pirate wherever and whenever as long as you refrain from popping your own militia (or has standing thumb-screws been tightened in some way I am unaware of?)
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flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2151
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Posted - 2014.05.01 10:28:00 -
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.... this thread smells of epeen BADLY .
That said being pirate or fw both has it's advantages and disadvantages.Join FW and try it , don't like the amount of targets or something else switch to piracy . No one else besides yourself OP can decide wich one suits you better .
Everyone likes different playstyles and what might seem a ''small sacrifice'' for one is a ''pain in the ass'' for someone else.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Taoist Dragon
Black Rebel Rifter Club
956
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:23:00 -
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Well I get nowhere near the number of kills that some of the guys posting in this thread get but I can honestly say that being in FW doesn't have much effect on how many fights I get tbh. (so before anyone fancies having an epeen contest my kill stats are hsite! )
I have been in, out and hanging around FW and Low sec for the last 3 years pretty much solidly (apart form a couple of months trying to find fights in high sec but we won't say much on that!) The simple true IMO is how active you are in finding/forcing your fights? If you 'spider-up' and lay in wait then you will only get the number of fights that your area's activity supports. If you are out there finding your fights or have a decently active corp etc then you will get the fights you want.
I would suggest that you try Fw and see how you go and what variation you get from being a pirate. I am back with the 'Rebels' as tbh I got fed up with the majority of militia pilots as they are by far the most caustic playbase imo by a long shot. So I'm back being a pirate and enjoying it.
Fly dangerous, cos safe is boring! o7 That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1121
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:29:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote: they are by far the most caustic playbase imo by a long shot.
It was just the only way we could figure out how to get something resembling soap near a pomme.
Docked since 2009. |
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Taoist Dragon
Black Rebel Rifter Club
957
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:58:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote: they are by far the most caustic playbase imo by a long shot. It was just the only way we could figure out how to get something resembling soap near a pomme.
Man I just snorted my whiskey! My eye are bloody burning now! That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
374
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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:41:00 -
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Wait, we are camping in Tama? I am so confused. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
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