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Pheno Xanes
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Posted - 2006.05.21 15:42:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Shyalud
We were forced to surrender to a superior force. Happens all the time, unfortunately this time, it happened to us.
More like you were "forced to surrender" everybody else's stuff... in return for being set to positive standings. 
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:09:00 -
[62]
Originally by: The Slayer
Im not gonna argue about this. Everyone who was fighting in Tribute will have seen me flying about in ships all the damn time trying to hold this region. I never gave up, I never stopped shooting things, and I died a LOT.
People like me are the ones you have screwed over, justify it how you like, you stabbed me in the back.
With all due respect, I'm sure you were there, and I'm sure you fought. But you make it sound like a long drawn out campain, which is wasn't.
It was a 24 hour campain to take over an entire region. This started during my first coffee break at work, and was done before I got home. And about the only defence force around were the odd pilot like your self. Not an allience, only a roaming gang or two. Which was a sad reistance, for any allience.
Respect to those that fought, and a 'WTF were you doing' to the rest who didn't show up.
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The Slayer
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:03:00 -
[63]
Acht im just cheesed off im stuck in a system with 300mils of ships and modules and no way of getting them out. Sore loser I guess :P
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Your Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Estamel Tharchon, wrecking for 187.6 damage.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:43:00 -
[64]
I'll offer you 100mill
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Zakgram
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Posted - 2006.05.21 19:26:00 -
[65]
As I posted in OSS aliance just before we got kicked out... OSS leadership obviously don't care about member corps at all. Pushing all non-goons up to Tribute to get slaughtered and then putting a KOSing any member corps who didn't move and complained about the situation... nice...
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The Slayer
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Posted - 2006.05.21 19:30:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Lorth
I'll offer you 100mill
Well I already sold the raven (for 94 mil, ouch) so I only have the tech 2 stuff left :P
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Your Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Estamel Tharchon, wrecking for 187.6 damage.
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Jotan Veer
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Posted - 2006.05.22 02:04:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Jotan Veer on 22/05/2006 02:05:53
IMK-K1 facts, Woodlouse can correct me if I'm mistaken in anything, since only my corp and his alliance was in the system at the time of the D2 siege.
There were 4 Wings of Turul POS'es in the system and 3 HUN Corp POS'es. All 7 were under control of the Wings of Turul.
Most of them were either destroyed or pushed into reinforced mode in the two days of the siege.
There were no other friendly POS'es in the system.
The only corp that offered organized resistance in IMK to D2 was the Wings of Turul.
These are the unchangeable facts.
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Wojek Zygmunt
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Posted - 2006.05.22 08:06:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Wojek Zygmunt on 22/05/2006 08:10:50
Originally by: Zakgram
As I posted in OSS aliance just before we got kicked out... OSS leadership obviously don't care about member corps at all. Pushing all non-goons up to Tribute to get slaughtered and then putting a KOSing any member corps who didn't move and complained about the situation... nice...
Sounds to me like NKWD and shooting red army soldiers that were retreating from the battlefield ( and than they were moaning that soviet union lost the most soldiers in the WW2 wonder how many they killed themself )
i don't think how you can blame chosen... They saw that they're not getting any backup so why the hell should they warn anyone if they were left to rot. it's simply "Screw you guys! im going home" situation.
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Wojek Zygmunt
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Posted - 2006.05.22 08:15:00 -
[69]
Originally by: The Slayer
Edited by: The Slayer on 20/05/2006 20:20:06
I just happen to be locked into HW with all my assets. I have been fighting alongside you in tribute since before the formation of E.R.A.
My corp were one of the main players in Tribute, its us you have screwed over, not the leaders you are complaining about.
Than maybe you should have change the leadership core? cous it's their decisions that lead to the situation...
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Sean Hannity
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Posted - 2006.05.22 08:22:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Sean Hannity on 22/05/2006 08:23:24
Hey, the Vichy French were praised by the N-a-z-i-s too when they took over the country. (I like how that word is actually censored, mustn't offend anybody!)
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Jon Ominor
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Posted - 2006.05.22 08:50:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Zakgram
As I posted in OSS aliance just before we got kicked out... OSS leadership obviously don't care about member corps at all. Pushing all non-goons up to Tribute to get slaughtered and then putting a KOSing any member corps who didn't move and complained about the situation... nice...
Why don't you post the exact reason you got kicked out for everyone to read?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.22 08:59:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Jotan Veer
Edited by: Jotan Veer on 22/05/2006 02:05:53
IMK-K1 facts, Woodlouse can correct me if I'm mistaken in anything, since only my corp and his alliance was in the system at the time of the D2 siege.
There were 4 Wings of Turul POS'es in the system and 3 HUN Corp POS'es. All 7 were under control of the Wings of Turul.
Most of them were either destroyed or pushed into reinforced mode in the two days of the siege.
There were no other friendly POS'es in the system.
The only corp that offered organized resistance in IMK to D2 was the Wings of Turul.
These are the unchangeable facts.
Your POSes were there but no fighters 
Summertime - Campingtime!
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Burtheson
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:05:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Wojek Zygmunt
i don't think how you can blame chosen... They saw that they're not getting any backup so why the hell should they warn anyone if they were left to rot. it's simply "Screw you guys! im going home" situation.
If you're under attack you call for help or for a retreat. You don't betray your friends and hand their equipment over to the enemy without warning.
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Taetin Ishtal
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:15:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Taetin Ishtal on 22/05/2006 09:15:48
Chosen Path stabbed us all in the back... Frankly, I don't care what D2 and 25 alts have to say about it. Those of us who were on the recieving end, feel the sharp pain right between the shoulder blades.
GG CHSN... I'm sure this saved you ISK, but it lost you alot of respect. Needless to say, others will consider you differently for your actions here, regardless of what YOU think about their merit. I certaintly won't trust you again.
FYI: I'm not an alt, but my picture isn't displaying for some reason.
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Wojek Zygmunt
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:32:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Burtheson
Originally by: Wojek Zygmunt
i don't think how you can blame chosen... They saw that they're not getting any backup so why the hell should they warn anyone if they were left to rot. it's simply "Screw you guys! im going home" situation.
If you're under attack you call for help or for a retreat. You don't betray your friends and hand their equipment over to the enemy without warning.
yeah you're right...
Chosen why didn't you asked ERA to help you defend their space? huh? all you had yo do was ask em... you know they are clueless and dunno that they were beeing attacked... IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!!! 
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Gyro DuAquin1
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:36:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Taetin Ishtal
Edited by: Taetin Ishtal on 22/05/2006 09:15:48
Chosen Path stabbed us all in the back... Frankly, I don't care what D2 and 25 alts have to say about it. Those of us who were on the recieving end, feel the sharp pain right between the shoulder blades.
GG CHSN... I'm sure this saved you ISK, but it lost you alot of respect. Needless to say, others will consider you differently for your actions here, regardless of what YOU think about their merit. I certaintly won't trust you again.
FYI: I'm not an alt, but my picture isn't displaying for some reason.
with a bit of support from era or oss u would still be able to dock in imk, but no one showed up, ur lose.
dont be too bitter ull get the change to fight us.
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Burtheson
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:36:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Wojek Zygmunt
yeah you're right...
Chosen why didn't you asked ERA to help you defend their space? huh? all you had yo do was ask em... you know they are clueless and dunno that they were beeing attacked... IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!!!
If they thought a retreat was necessary then yes, they could have and should have said "guys we have to get the hell out of Tribute come and get your stuff".
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Wojek Zygmunt
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:42:00 -
[78]
If they thought a retreat was necessary then yes, they could have and should have said "guys we have to get the hell out of Tribute come and get your stuff".
Plz tell why should they care to tell anyone if noone cared to help them?
and plz don't start with "they should have asked" ask for what? ask locals to help them fight for their space? that's the lamest explenation i ever saw it should be other way around... But it was era that was using them as a meat shield. So by saying that they betrayed ERA you only prove that they were smart not to allow to be used by other force...
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:43:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Jotan Veer
Edited by: Jotan Veer on 22/05/2006 02:05:53
IMK-K1 facts, Woodlouse can correct me if I'm mistaken in anything, since only my corp and his alliance was in the system at the time of the D2 siege.
There were 4 Wings of Turul POS'es in the system and 3 HUN Corp POS'es. All 7 were under control of the Wings of Turul.
Most of them were either destroyed or pushed into reinforced mode in the two days of the siege.
There were no other friendly POS'es in the system.
The only corp that offered organized resistance in IMK to D2 was the Wings of Turul.
These are the unchangeable facts.
Your POSes were there but no fighters
Not quite right, there were about 12 W.o.T guys at their pos trying to kill our dreads all the time by using good tactics. They werent enuff though to make any impact, but atleast they tried over 2 hrs or so
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:45:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Taetin Ishtal
Edited by: Taetin Ishtal on 22/05/2006 09:15:48
Chosen Path stabbed us all in the back... Frankly, I don't care what D2 and 25 alts have to say about it. Those of us who were on the recieving end, feel the sharp pain right between the shoulder blades.
GG CHSN... I'm sure this saved you ISK, but it lost you alot of respect. Needless to say, others will consider you differently for your actions here, regardless of what YOU think about their merit. I certaintly won't trust you again.
FYI: I'm not an alt, but my picture isn't displaying for some reason.
Eeeerrrrm ur corp is set too blue and should be able to get ur assets out of the station. if there are any problems with that, mail me ingame 
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Taetin Ishtal
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:48:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Taetin Ishtal on 22/05/2006 09:52:01
Edited by: Taetin Ishtal on 22/05/2006 09:49:34
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
with a bit of support from era or oss u would still be able to dock in imk, but no one showed up, ur lose.
dont be too bitter ull get the change to fight us.
Oh, I'm not hurt, I'm not even angry about it all. As far as I'm concerned 0.0 entails risk, and losses are to be expected. I came out ahead for my time spent there, my losses, while not minimal, are tolerable.
The only thing that saddens me is being betrayed by an "ally" like that. CHSN will be on my **** list for some time to come, and deservedly so. Anytime that corp ticker comes up on my screen the word "traitor" will enter my mind. That the OSS and ERA failed to adequately defend the space and stations of tribute doesn't surprise me (hell, I lived there for weeks with D2 and other gank squads roaming around). What the CHSN did however, is considerably worse, perhaps not strategically, but as far as trust and honor it is unforgivable.
To say that the ERA/OSS did something worse than CHSN is like comparing a failure due to incompetency to high treason. One gets you laughed at, court martialed, maybe dishonorably discharged. Treason gets you shot at best.
I have no beef with D2 or the other gank squads any more than I would any pirate group or gate ganker. Of course I will be able to fight you again and I'll be looking forward to it.
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Eeeerrrrm ur corp is set too blue and should be able to get ur assets out of the station. if there are any problems with that, mail me ingame
That's generous of you, but not related to what CHSN did.
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Burtheson
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:48:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Wojek Zygmunt
Plz tell why should they care to tell anyone if noone cared to help them?
and plz don't start with "they should have asked" ask for what? ask locals to help them fight for their space? that's the lamest explenation i ever saw it should be other way around... But it was era that was using them as a meat shield. So by saying that they betrayed ERA you only prove that they were smart not to allow to be used by other force...
If ERA were using them as a meathshield then a meatshield for what? Was D2 going to burn through Tribute and into our valuable empire territory?
Chosen were not a meatshield, they were caretakers, expected to do only a bit of light firefighting. When an unexpectedly devastating attack came through they turned on their allies instead of trying to coordinate any kind of orderly retreat. They simply did not consult with or warn any of us about their decision to drop sovereignty immediately. If they had talked to the rest of us about that decision then, at the very least, a holding action could have been conducted to help get people's most valuable assets out.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:52:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Taetin Ishtal
Edited by: Taetin Ishtal on 22/05/2006 09:49:34
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
with a bit of support from era or oss u would still be able to dock in imk, but no one showed up, ur lose.
dont be too bitter ull get the change to fight us.
Oh, I'm not hurt, I'm not even angry about it all. As far as I'm concerned 0.0 entails risk, and losses are to be expected. I came out ahead for my time spent there, my losses, while not minimal, are tolerable.
The only thing that saddens me is being betrayed by an "ally" like that. CHSN will be on my **** list for some time to come, and deservedly so. Anytime that corp ticker comes up on my screen the word "traitor" will enter my mind. That the OSS and ERA failed to adequately defend the space and stations of tribute doesn't surprise me (hell, I lived there for weeks with D2 and other gank squads roaming around). What the CHSN did however, is considerably worse, perhaps not strategically, but as far as trust and honor it is unforgivable.
To say that the ERA/OSS did something worse than CHSN is like comparing a failure due to incompetency to high treason. One gets you laughed at, court martialed, maybe dishonorably discharged. Treason gets you shot at best.
I have no beef with D2 or the other gank squads any more than I would any pirate group or gate ganker. Of course I will be able to fight you again and I'll be looking forward to it.
2 questions:
- are you a spokesperson of ur corp?
- will u leave ur corp?
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Wojek Zygmunt
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:54:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Burtheson
Originally by: Wojek Zygmunt
Plz tell why should they care to tell anyone if noone cared to help them?
and plz don't start with "they should have asked" ask for what? ask locals to help them fight for their space? that's the lamest explenation i ever saw it should be other way around... But it was era that was using them as a meat shield. So by saying that they betrayed ERA you only prove that they were smart not to allow to be used by other force...
If ERA were using them as a meathshield then a meatshield for what? Was D2 going to burn through Tribute and into our valuable empire territory?
Chosen were not a meatshield, they were caretakers, expected to do only a bit of light firefighting. When an unexpectedly devastating attack came through they turned on their allies instead of trying to coordinate any kind of orderly retreat. They simply did not consult with or warn any of us about their decision to drop sovereignty immediately. If they had talked to the rest of us about that decision then, at the very least, a holding action could have been conducted to help get people's most valuable assets out.
Caretakers... yeah... taking care after sovenrity and your space while you can do something else... yeah that doesn't sound like beeing a meat shield at all
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Taetin Ishtal
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
2 questions:
- are you a spokesperson of ur corp?
- will u leave ur corp?
- No
- Not planning to
Why? If you want to discuss something, no need to do it here, contact me in game, right now even, as I'll be around until DT.
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Burtheson
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wojek Zygmunt
Caretakers... yeah... taking care after sovenrity and your space while you can do something else... yeah that doesn't sound like beeing a meat shield at all
A meatshield is an ablative lump of people placed between you and the enemy to slow them down, with no intention of backing them. ERA and OSS did not anticipate a major invasion of Tribute at the time it happened (the invasion was a response to "intel" that D2 received) and it has to be said they took us by surprise.
It isn't the case that there was no attempt to bolster Tribute. Messages went out ordering ERA and OSS forces up to defend Tribute, but the battle, beginning so suddenly and with such ferocity, was lost before an effective response, even something as simple as an extraction operation, could be mounted, because of Chosen's treachery.
It's true that we might well have lost the region even if Chosen had not proved to be turncoats. D2 is a strong alliance and by all accounts they worked swiftly and well in the invasion of Tribute. None of that excuses Chosen's treachery. Imminent, bloody defeat is grounds for surrender, but not by one corp on behalf of the whole alliance (dropping sovereignty) without the slightest prior warning to allies.
I strongly suspect that D2 negotiators played hardball with Chosen, telling them that the offer was only valid for a short period, with the specific aim of getting Chosen to catch us unawares with the shutdown and trapping our assets.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:03:00 -
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ok, issues cleared 
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Shyalud
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:17:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Jotan Veer
Edited by: Jotan Veer on 22/05/2006 02:05:53
IMK-K1 facts, Woodlouse can correct me if I'm mistaken in anything, since only my corp and his alliance was in the system at the time of the D2 siege.
There were 4 Wings of Turul POS'es in the system and 3 HUN Corp POS'es. All 7 were under control of the Wings of Turul.
Most of them were either destroyed or pushed into reinforced mode in the two days of the siege.
There were no other friendly POS'es in the system.
The only corp that offered organized resistance in IMK to D2 was the Wings of Turul.
These are the unchangeable facts.
Your POSes were there but no fighters
When you start posting in alliance chat and (joint) defensive channels that we are under attack and no-one shows up, or more accuratly everyone starts heading in the opposite direction, the POSs and the few fighters that were there are all you have left. And frankly, that wasn't enough.
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Shyalud
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:20:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Burtheson
Originally by: Wojek Zygmunt
Plz tell why should they care to tell anyone if noone cared to help them?
and plz don't start with "they should have asked" ask for what? ask locals to help them fight for their space? that's the lamest explenation i ever saw it should be other way around... But it was era that was using them as a meat shield. So by saying that they betrayed ERA you only prove that they were smart not to allow to be used by other force...
If ERA were using them as a meathshield then a meatshield for what? Was D2 going to burn through Tribute and into our valuable empire territory?
Chosen were not a meatshield, they were caretakers, expected to do only a bit of light firefighting. When an unexpectedly devastating attack came through they turned on their allies instead of trying to coordinate any kind of orderly retreat. They simply did not consult with or warn any of us about their decision to drop sovereignty immediately. If they had talked to the rest of us about that decision then, at the very least, a holding action could have been conducted to help get people's most valuable assets out.
Are you completetely unaware of what's going on in EVE? Where is Tribute in relation to D2 Teritory?
We were meant to keep D2 busy while ERA went after their true prize. If you can figure out where that is, then you need to talk to your leadership and get some facts.
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KIATolon
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:24:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Shyalud
Are you completetely unaware of what's going on in EVE? Where is Tribute in relation to D2 Teritory?
We were meant to keep D2 busy while ERA went after their true prize. If you can figure out where that is, then you need to talk to your leadership and get some facts.
Actually that's not true.
You were supposed to create and run the OSS in the North. You were even given 3 stations to get you started. You were incapable of doing that to the point of selling out your old and new friends in the area.
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