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CCP Delegate Zero
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:02:00 -
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Hi Guys,
Team Pirate Unicorns have deployed a new build to SiSi with another tranche of tooltip changes and additions to the UI.
Revisions and Reformats:
Revised NeoCom tooltips Revised Station Services tooltips Starmap tooltips improved and reformated Module tootips improved
Additions:
New HUD tooltips Entirely new overview tootips New selected item window tooltips In-space brackets listings in tooltip format Character Sheet sidebar tooltips Fitting Window tooltips Ships/Drones attributes tooltips
Some of these we have A/B tested to date. Others we have a high confidence make a positive contribution without that form of testing. We are intending to release this full set to all players in the near future. We'd very much like your feedback on these.
In addition all pre-existing 'hints' (old tooltips) have been switched to the new basic format, so any problems you encounter would be very useful to know about.
Cheers, Pirate Unicorns
CCP Delegate Zero | Game Designer | @CCPDelegateZero |
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2572
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:39:00 -
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cool stuff! what about tooltips for characters listing basics like current corp, standing icons, aggression icons etc? (so you don't have to show-info all the time) eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
719
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:00:00 -
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CCP Delegate Zero wrote: In-space brackets listings in tooltip format
Pirate Unicorns
What are we suppose to be seeing from this feature?
Is this in the settings window?
If in space its currently not showing up until you hold down on it long enough to get the radial menu and it closes really fast. I am just getting a flash. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
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CCP Delegate Zero
C C P C C P Alliance
126
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Posted - 2014.05.01 10:50:00 -
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Yeah, I probably worded that a bit obscurely.
What I meant by that is when you have a lot of bracket icons in space close together (for eg. either they are bunched up at the corner/edge of screen, or they are distant and happen to be very close to one another, like stations, planets, moons, etc) on TQ now you will get a fairly unwieldy list brackets and names that we felt could be improved on.
So on SiSi this list now appears in a tooltip, which if it goes beyond a certain number is scrollable and the entries are fully interactable with radial, right click, etc.
If you're still having problems with this let us know what you're seeing.
Cheers, DZ CCP Delegate Zero | Game Designer | @CCPDelegateZero |
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Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc Zero Hour Alliance
321
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Posted - 2014.05.02 09:30:00 -
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Liking these a lot, including the shortcut notice in the top corner.
Tooltips on the overview items are a bit redundant for things like stations / gates / planets atm; but maybe if it showed some more data it'd be pretty cool; say a tooltip on a stargate to say "Stargate to Amamake - Heimatar > Hed constellation - 0.4 security space - 3 podkills in the last 30 minutes "
(or if you want to go all out, let us pick some statistics to show here)
Station tooltips could show dockingrights / standings and so on. |
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
722
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Posted - 2014.05.02 12:12:00 -
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CCP Delegate Zero wrote:Yeah, I probably worded that a bit obscurely.
What I meant by that is when you have a lot of bracket icons in space close together (for eg. either they are bunched up at the corner/edge of screen, or they are distant and happen to be very close to one another, like stations, planets, moons, etc) on TQ now you will get a fairly unwieldy list brackets and names that we felt could be improved on.
So on SiSi this list now appears in a tooltip, which if it goes beyond a certain number is scrollable and the entries are fully interactable with radial, right click, etc.
If you're still having problems with this let us know what you're seeing.
Cheers, DZ Only works upper left corner. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
Noriko Mai
1257
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Posted - 2014.05.02 19:10:00 -
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Salpun wrote:CCP Delegate Zero wrote:Yeah, I probably worded that a bit obscurely.
What I meant by that is when you have a lot of bracket icons in space close together (for eg. either they are bunched up at the corner/edge of screen, or they are distant and happen to be very close to one another, like stations, planets, moons, etc) on TQ now you will get a fairly unwieldy list brackets and names that we felt could be improved on.
So on SiSi this list now appears in a tooltip, which if it goes beyond a certain number is scrollable and the entries are fully interactable with radial, right click, etc.
If you're still having problems with this let us know what you're seeing.
Cheers, DZ Only works upper left corner. I think he means this.
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
723
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Posted - 2014.05.02 19:14:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Salpun wrote:CCP Delegate Zero wrote:Yeah, I probably worded that a bit obscurely.
What I meant by that is when you have a lot of bracket icons in space close together (for eg. either they are bunched up at the corner/edge of screen, or they are distant and happen to be very close to one another, like stations, planets, moons, etc) on TQ now you will get a fairly unwieldy list brackets and names that we felt could be improved on.
So on SiSi this list now appears in a tooltip, which if it goes beyond a certain number is scrollable and the entries are fully interactable with radial, right click, etc.
If you're still having problems with this let us know what you're seeing.
Cheers, DZ Only works upper left corner. I think he means this. 90% client is broken
If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
Noriko Mai
1260
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:25:00 -
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Salpun wrote: 90% client is broken
I don't understand. |
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
723
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:38:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Salpun wrote: 90% client is broken
I don't understand. Set your client to 90% and in windows mode. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
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Noriko Mai
1260
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:38:00 -
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Salpun wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:Salpun wrote: 90% client is broken
I don't understand. Set your client to 90% and in windows mode. Oh, I see, you mean scale
Edit: I can confirm In-space brackets listings in tooltip format on 90%, 110%, 125% scale are broken. The flash a few times and disappear. |
Merida DunBrogh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.05.03 21:35:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Salpun wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:Salpun wrote: 90% client is broken
I don't understand. Set your client to 90% and in windows mode. Oh, I see, you mean scale Edit: I can confirm In-space brackets listings in tooltip format on 90%, 110%, 125% scale are broken. They flash a few times and disappear.
I can't even get it to appear 80% of the time o.O The time to make it appear(the few times I could actually get it to appear) seems awfully long though in comparison to how it used to be, or is that just me?
I thought I was just doing something wrong, or possibly something not fully working yet, "glad" to see though that it is simply a scaling issue. |
Alsia Zek
Zek Trading
0
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:56:00 -
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I like the new tool tips.
But is there a method to tune the delay time for the popup to appear? Or could this be a freature request? :)
I would pefer a 0 second delay myself as I care more for quick response than flasy eye candy. |
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CCP Delegate Zero
C C P C C P Alliance
126
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Posted - 2014.05.05 08:50:00 -
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Thanks for these reports, we're on it.
Any other feedback you have, let us know.
CCP Delegate Zero | Game Designer | @CCPDelegateZero |
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Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars
113
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:02:00 -
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CCP Delegate Zero wrote:So on SiSi this list now appears in a tooltip, which if it goes beyond a certain number is scrollable and the entries are fully interactable with radial, right click, etc.
This is awesome. However, sometimes when I right-click in the item list for the context menu, the tooltip disappears. Other times it stays visible with the item I right-click highlighted. This inconsistency is a bit annoying; would be awesome if it always stayed visible with the item I right-click highlighted.
Oddly enough, when in warp, this doesn't seem to happen... the tooltip always stays visible on right-click. But out of warp it's about 50/50 whether it stays visible or disappears.
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
725
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:53:00 -
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UI interface technique called the "Amazon Menu Triangle" hack is added to all right click menus. Devs are looking for feed back. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
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CCP Delegate Zero
C C P C C P Alliance
127
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:35:00 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:CCP Delegate Zero wrote:So on SiSi this list now appears in a tooltip, which if it goes beyond a certain number is scrollable and the entries are fully interactable with radial, right click, etc. This is awesome. However, sometimes when I right-click in the item list for the context menu, the tooltip disappears. Other times it stays visible with the item I right-click highlighted. This inconsistency is a bit annoying; would be awesome if it always stayed visible with the item I right-click highlighted. Oddly enough, when in warp, this doesn't seem to happen... the tooltip always stays visible on right-click. But out of warp it's about 50/50 whether it stays visible or disappears.
One of our UI programmers figured out why this is happening and we'll be looking at this issue. Put simply, if the right-click menu covers the 'source' bracket when it appears then this disappearing act of the list tooltip will happen.
CCP Delegate Zero | Game Designer | @CCPDelegateZero |
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
725
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:14:00 -
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Salpun wrote:UI interface technique called the "Amazon Menu Triangle" hack is added to all right click menus. Devs are looking for feed back. only draw back in the reddit thread so far.
now the "Jump To" menu is going to stay out when you think you are in the "Bridge To" menu :-(
If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars
115
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:36:00 -
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Salpun wrote:only draw back in the reddit thread so far.
now the "Jump To" menu is going to stay out when you think you are in the "Bridge To" menu :-(
That's not a drawback. That's a conflict driver. |
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
725
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:09:00 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:Salpun wrote:only draw back in the reddit thread so far.
now the "Jump To" menu is going to stay out when you think you are in the "Bridge To" menu :-(
That's not a drawback. That's a conflict driver. True but would hate to have this feature pulled after deploy because of this. The location list just needs a icon on top that of the pop out that says what it is going to happen when you select a location.
If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
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Noriko Mai
1337
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:40:00 -
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
725
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:38:00 -
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Bug reports in for missing tool tips( only show message id) in the current ships' info panel and ships fitting array.
ships insurance tool tip is miss located.
Tool tips needs an ability to adjust delay or just turn off.
Can we get a way to shrink the extra space out of the tool tip between the lines and edge and the text.
Can we get a way to change the text size.
Is the drone tool tip suppose to show more then name and value?
Are the module tool tips for modules currently active in the fitting window coming back. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel Cascade Imminent
84
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:45:00 -
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I think that the new tool tips waste too much space and maybe are a bit too large in general but mainly the space between lines of text and text and the border should be much smaller
I made a mockup to show what I think would look much better (left is my edited version) https://www.dropbox.com/s/dfuxcjrlxxzpzgz/2014-03-28_20-11-55%20edit.png
in some cases the text is broken over for only one word instead of making it just a little longer which wastes a lot of space https://www.dropbox.com/s/5nmp3hv9pi8pl18/2014-03-28_19-54-42.png
the shortcut here is missing its bound to control by default https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4pxiezzjoj0g5f/2014-03-28_20-40-58.png
the tooltips when hovering over something in the overview seem quite redundant since they mostly show whats on it anyway
I feel that there should be an option to only show tooltips when a key is pressed Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.
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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
328
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Posted - 2014.05.09 06:25:00 -
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Most of the tooltips are nice. They did stop working after I hovered over a system in a starmap and had to restart the client to get them back.
I like how stations got separated from orbital bodies in the solar system show info window, but I don't know if it was necessary to remove them from the list when you hover over a system on the starmap. I often used the starmap to quickly scout nearby stations, agents, services and set destinations to them. Most importantly I used it to view corp offices in those stations as there is no other way to view that information remotely. Why was this removed? |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
328
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Posted - 2014.05.09 06:34:00 -
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CCP Delegate Zero wrote:Yeah, I probably worded that a bit obscurely.
What I meant by that is when you have a lot of bracket icons in space close together (for eg. either they are bunched up at the corner/edge of screen, or they are distant and happen to be very close to one another, like stations, planets, moons, etc) on TQ now you will get a fairly unwieldy list brackets and names that we felt could be improved on.
So on SiSi this list now appears in a tooltip, which if it goes beyond a certain number is scrollable and the entries are fully interactable with radial, right click, etc.
If you're still having problems with this let us know what you're seeing.
Cheers, DZ
My favorite change so far. Loving these! |
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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
909
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Posted - 2014.05.09 10:07:00 -
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Salpun wrote:Bugs and issues found will talking to players on Sisi.
Bug reports in for missing tool tips( only show message id) in the current ships' info panel and ships fitting array.
This one is caused by me missing to get proper localization data into the patch. Sorry about this - will be fixed in the next patch. CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Gridlock-á Bug reporting | Mass Testing |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
3313
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:10:00 -
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Salpun wrote:Are the module tool tips for modules currently active in the fitting window coming back. Don't worry, the tooltips are staying in the fitting window, there's just a tiny bug there which I fixed yesterday
CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pirate Unicorns |-á@CCP karkur |
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
726
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:37:00 -
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First TQ build:
Why was the patch so big?
Looks good should get a positive response.
The last set of major tool tips bugs I had seen got fixed.
UI scaling not working with the new menu hack is still an issue.
The lost of functionality in the Overview vice old tool tips, ie allowing a column to we shrunk down but when moused over the tool tip would show the whole entry, will be the first major pain point identified in the release thread.
If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
910
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:37:00 -
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Salpun wrote:First TQ build:
Why was the patch so big?
Edit: Answer is that the gecko and ship skins that where added directly to TQ clients got added to what was a Sisi client.
I had a check and the patch from current TQ to this new build on Singularity is only 19.9MB. Everything else was stuff, which was somehow missing on Sisi before. CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Gridlock-á Bug reporting | Mass Testing |
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Ayumi Shekki
Thee Almitee Ones The Unforgiven Alliance
8
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:42:00 -
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When is the new update of the up coming update to june 3, going to be passed over to test server, short of 3 weeks,
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