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Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.21 01:48:00 - [1] During recent movements of goods through various space in and around Providence. My pilots have come under near constant threats of fire and engagment of hostilities from both Huzzah and CVA members. It was my understanding that a strict anti-piracy policy was in place and even that it was 'safe space' for neutrals. Now obviously my pilots are combat/flight experienced and this was not exactly a 'problem' at the time. However, i took some time to investigate the region myself today. On 2 occasions i was engaged at gates by Raven Battleship pilots flying under the Huzzah banner. We disengaged but we were followed by locally broadcast 'smack' into the next system. A short while later whilst traveling to Derelik again we came under fire, this time by a small group of what appeared to be CVA Frigates camping the gate. My colleague Hinkledolph managed to escape. However whilst i sat and powered down my systems the frigates engaged and only when in structure did i return fire. Resulting in the obvious destruction of my Interceptor. Based on these earlier events, I began to withdraw some further holdings including my Dominix from the Providence region. Whilst returning to Empire space myself and my pilots were again engaged, completely unprovoked by an Apocalypse Battleship. We did not return fire. We left the system and attempted to take a different route. It was then a Recon cruiser began stalking us and i was informed that a trap was laid further ahead with another cruiser in wait... Fed up with running we engaged the cruiser whilst waiting on the Battleship and Recon to follow suit. Surely enough through they came and after an interesting, albeit rather short lived engagement, my Dominix, went down in flames... After discussion in local with one of the CVA members. We were informed that we had a -10 KOS standing with them. Apparently due to our 'recent acts of piracy' The fact we have passed many an ISS hauler along our routes back and forth that night without any kind of 'Piracy' being committed seemed irrelevant. I apologize now for such a long winded post. However the simple message appears to be that like many other groups, be they Corporation or large affiliations. The vast majority of them cannot be trusted. Many claim that neutrals are welcome, or at the least will not be shot on sight. Some even claim a strict anti-piracy doctrine. It is now clear to me that this is merely propaganda. From here on out, all in my eyes shall be viewed based on actions and deeds rather than words and promises. Fly safe. K
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.21 19:59:00 - [2] Originally by: Ramruqai I can't speak fo Huzzah and I don't know what insident of your interceptor beeing killed by CVA. Please provide me a killmail, either ingame or here I don't care. The reason why me, Sidyus and Clavius decided to kill your Domi was for acts of piracy against the corporation "Advanced Security And Asset Protection" in the solarsystem G-B22J resulting in the loss of a Cyclone piloted by DaVinchi, another vessel of theirs escaped. This corporation is neither CVA or HF so you had no reason at all to attack them regardless of what CVA and HF had done to you in the past, wich personaly I see no proof of. Link to battleclinic mail Somone not shoting ISS is not a proof they are not pirates, shoting ISS for most is just as wise as attacking Amarr Navy ships in Amarr. They provide station/outpost service to anyone that does not shot them, giving that up is just stupid. You and your coproration are KOS untill you stop hunting our pilots like you and your friend planed to do in x-r3 just as this post is beeing typed. You also you will have to make things right with all the neutrals you have killed in our space. So far it's a HF Omen and the Cyclone linked above acording to battleclinic at least. As you (which i understand is the main reason you ask)well know there is no 'proof' that i could provide. I have the killmails for losses vs. your ships as in my OP. Those pilots will claim we engaged first. Doesn't surprise me at all. Huzzahs word as CVA are not to be trusted. They engage neutrals at a whim whilst claiming defence etc Well, i will see you in space. PS: Personally i don't believe 15 man gangs vs 2 pilots is exactly required. Each to thier own i guess.
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.21 20:03:00 - [3] Originally by: Clavius XIV You claim to be an innocent victim and not a pirate? All evidence to the contrary appearently: OP's Pirating Dominix Looking for pirating advice. As i advised to your colleagues in space earlier. Having a setup and using one is clearly two very different things. I have a 'pirating ferox' and a 'bait prophecy' setup neither of which i can fly. As for the post, it clearly states that i went exploring... Please stop trying to find exscuses for the simple matter that your pilots engaged neutrals in your supposedly neutral friendly territory. Your words cannot be trusted.
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.21 20:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Ramruqai Battle clinic mail (again) - If this Crow loss of yours is what you speak of thoose guys are not remotely connected with CVA, we have seen them around but have not done anything bad as far as we know. Killing a pirate, that you are, is not a bad thing. The pilots have CVA/huzzah friendly in thier BIO and camp gates in your system but aren't affiliated with you? Now why do i find that hard to swallow... Originally by: Ramruqai I wanted the killmail so I could talk to the persons involved but aparently you don't dare to show that killmail so i must ask myself if there realy is a killmail? Really is a killmail? you just posted the link to it yourself... Originally by: Ramruqai Anyone should see that it's your words that are not to be trusted. From what has happened i doubt that very much. However the end result matters now. CVA and Huzzah engaged, the standings are set and we in your space... Originally by: Ramruqai This debate has come to an end, you will remain KOS like it or not. Well, there was never really a debate. I posted the events as they happened and the outcome. As for KOS, yes, we are aware.
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.21 21:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Uggster Originally by: Kaiu Originally by: Clavius XIV You claim to be an innocent victim and not a pirate? All evidence to the contrary appearently: OP's Pirating Dominix Looking for pirating advice. As i advised to your colleagues in space earlier. Having a setup and using one is clearly two very different things. I have a 'pirating ferox' and a 'bait prophecy' setup neither of which i can fly. As for the post, it clearly states that i went exploring... Please stop trying to find exscuses for the simple matter that your pilots engaged neutrals in your supposedly neutral friendly territory. Your words cannot be trusted. Dont try and act hard in the playground and then go crying to the dinner ladies when one of the bigger boys gives you a slap. All these people that put "YARRRR" or in their posts should be treated exactly that way. I have nothing against pirates at all and if I get killed/ransomed by them then I take the hit and learn from it, but I DONT go around acting like I'm something I'm not just to be in their gang. If I wanted to be I would be, could you ? I tried to grasp some understanding of what your post actually says or how it relates to this thread in anyway. But i gave up... /yawn
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.22 12:49:00 - [6] Originally by: larietta wow your story was cool apart from the facts 1 warping to a gate and locking my ceptor is not good We locked first? haha... no one in providence seems to accept the fact they engage neutrals. Pathetic. Originally by: larietta 2 we got word that your corp was bad from a cva member Not tied with these guys eh CVA? Originally by: larietta we are in cva space and we are following cva's rules and if thay ask us to pop any one when we are in there space we will do any thing we can. Oooh really... CVA your puppies here are dropping you in it... Originally by: Ramruqai ...thoose guys are not remotely connected with CVA, we have seen them around... Hmm one of you says not connected, the other says exchange of information supposedly almost instantly and as such their gate camp destroyed our ships... Funny how the lies flow from everyone on your 'side' yet you still deny you engaged neutrals
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.22 14:52:00 - [7] Originally by: larietta how can you be neutrals if you are kos to cva ? Precisely the point of this thread, i'm glad you have been following it so well
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.23 20:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Utral Denaxi Edited by: Utral Denaxi on 23/05/2006 17:41:39 Edited by: Utral Denaxi on 23/05/2006 17:40:36 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=338343 perhaps this would explain why you have such a dire reputation and your word is worthless. Note* teh word pirating and you claim not to pirate Note* teh word merc and you claim you are not mercs Note* teh whining Maybe you were carrying out your new "contract" in Huzzah space?Maybe your "contract" is to discredit Huzzah in some way?Don't hunt other corps in Huzzah space and you will be fine with us. Even better-Dont come anywere near us. and stop teh wining..suck it up matey We are not pirates Putting up POS in a lawless system of 0.0 and then attempting to claim sovereignty simply does not cut it.... this is abundantly clear Throwing around smack and calling us pirates also does nothing. As for posting with an alt, well hmm...
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:04:00 - [9] UPDATE: A number of complaints have reach myself and my associates. It seems CVA have stepped up their random agression against neutrals to the next lvl and are now engaging shuttles travelling through thier space. BE ADVISED do not attempt to travel through any area of providence without first requesting an escort of some description of some sort. These pirates WILL engage neutral travellers even in shuttles!
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.25 16:46:00 - [10] Direct from Local chat - R3-K7K Supposedly CVA space yet Huzzah have a gate camp up. (HUZZAH) Yekiss > banoid ??? (HUZZAH) Yekiss > why u kill neutral ? (HUZZAH) BANDID > npc corp m8 (HUZZAH) BANDID > 1 day old (Neutral)CromusX > Am also in NPC corp (Neutral)CromusX > are you going to kill me too ? (H&K) Kaiu > you expect anything different from Huzzah? (H&K) Kaiu > they are just as bad as CVA (Neutral)CromusX > Am here about 4 month, and CVA Huzzah are OK (HUZZAH) Yekiss > kaiu is a pirate (H&K) Kaiu > no im not (HUZZAH) Yekiss > he is (HUZZAH) Yekiss > kill . (H&K) Kaiu > huzzah are the ones killing neutrals CromusX > kk thanks (H&K) Kaiu > and attacking me whilst camping the gate (H&K) Kaiu > YOU are pirates (HUZZAH) Yekiss > blabla.. (H&K) Kaiu > exactly... (H&K) Kaiu > that is all comes from your mouth (i destroy BANDID's ship) (HUZZAH) Yekiss > engage him , he killed hf (H&K) Kaiu > then that idiot shouldnt have targeted me Krispie > so much for a quiet 0.0 to rat in ...lol (i proceed to destroy Yekiss Ship) (HUZZAH) Yekiss > good kaiu misaba gate (H&K) Kaiu > now stfu yekiss (HUZZAH) Yekiss > killed me (HUZZAH) Yekiss > damn u'r kos As you can see, i was travelling through providence. engaged by a Huzzah gate camp 2 jumps from empire. They destroyed a neutral shuttle pilot as in the chatter above. Huzzahs standings towards H&K, in fact CVAs standings towards H&K are causing themselves nothing but many, many (as you can see from battleclinic) losses... Well, they didn't want to negotiate. G'luck to them Be careful of Huzzah pirates in CVA space!

Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.26 09:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas Originally by: Kaiu Be careful of Huzzah pirates in CVA space! Your documented actions make it plain that you are a pirate. You are not only a pirate but a lying scoundrel trying to tarnish the good name of some of Amarrs finest. Please check the dates of all kills within Providence. You will notice that they have ALL been part of this current campaign against the CVA/Huzzah since they pirated myself and corp. mates within supposed neutral territory. No lies, just warnings to all that Huzzah and CVA engage neutrals at thier own whim
Kaiu	Posted - 2006.05.27 16:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Gardavil Edited by: Gardavil on 27/05/2006 12:13:57 Edited by: Gardavil on 27/05/2006 12:12:54 Originally by: Kaiu ...snip... Many claim that neutrals are welcome, or at the least will not be shot on sight. Some even claim a strict anti-piracy doctrine. It is now clear to me that this is merely propaganda. From here on out, all in my eyes shall be viewed based on actions and deeds rather than words and promises. Fly safe. K Kaiu, with all do respect, the CDC has been starting trouble for months now down in Providence and Catch. The CDC is not neutral. period. I support the efforts of CVA, Huzzah Federation, and I tip my hat to them. With no respect, my Corp. merged with CDC AMAX recently purely because of thier efforts against Huzzah/CVA

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