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Kaiu
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Posted - 2006.05.21 01:48:00 -
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During recent movements of goods through various space in and around Providence. My pilots have come under near constant threats of fire and engagment of hostilities from both Huzzah and CVA members.
It was my understanding that a strict anti-piracy policy was in place and even that it was 'safe space' for neutrals. Now obviously my pilots are combat/flight experienced and this was not exactly a 'problem' at the time.
However, i took some time to investigate the region myself today. On 2 occasions i was engaged at gates by Raven Battleship pilots flying under the Huzzah banner. We disengaged but we were followed by locally broadcast 'smack' into the next system.
A short while later whilst traveling to Derelik again we came under fire, this time by a small group of what appeared to be CVA Frigates camping the gate.
My colleague Hinkledolph managed to escape. However whilst i sat and powered down my systems the frigates engaged and only when in structure did i return fire. Resulting in the obvious destruction of my Interceptor.
Based on these earlier events, I began to withdraw some further holdings including my Dominix from the Providence region.
Whilst returning to Empire space myself and my pilots were again engaged, completely unprovoked by an Apocalypse Battleship. We did not return fire. We left the system and attempted to take a different route.
It was then a Recon cruiser began stalking us and i was informed that a trap was laid further ahead with another cruiser in wait...
Fed up with running we engaged the cruiser whilst waiting on the Battleship and Recon to follow suit. Surely enough through they came and after an interesting, albeit rather short lived engagement, my Dominix, went down in flames...
After discussion in local with one of the CVA members. We were informed that we had a -10 KOS standing with them. Apparently due to our 'recent acts of piracy'
The fact we have passed many an ISS hauler along our routes back and forth that night without any kind of 'Piracy' being committed seemed irrelevant.
I apologize now for such a long winded post.
However the simple message appears to be that like many other groups, be they Corporation or large affiliations. The vast majority of them cannot be trusted.
Many claim that neutrals are welcome, or at the least will not be shot on sight.
Some even claim a strict anti-piracy doctrine.
It is now clear to me that this is merely propaganda.
From here on out, all in my eyes shall be viewed based on actions and deeds rather than words and promises.
Fly safe.
K
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NATMav
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Posted - 2006.05.21 02:13:00 -
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Edited by: NATMav on 21/05/2006 02:13:52
Convo/msg a Huzzah or CVA CEO/Director perhaps?
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Cadiz
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Posted - 2006.05.21 02:29:00 -
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How about some names and corps of the responsible Huzzah parties? Forward those to Hans Roaming. Huzzah runs a pretty stringent "not red don't shoot" policy in Providence and I don't see your corp set on the enemies list to Huzzah, so what we probably have here is a case of rogue members OR people running off of CVA intel.
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Krychton
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Posted - 2006.05.21 03:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Kaiu
During recent movements of goods through various space in and around Providence. My pilots have come under near constant threats of fire and engagment of hostilities from both Huzzah and CVA members.
It was my understanding that a strict anti-piracy policy was in place and even that it was 'safe space' for neutrals. Now obviously my pilots are combat/flight experienced and this was not exactly a 'problem' at the time.
However, i took some time to investigate the region myself today. On 2 occasions i was engaged at gates by Raven Battleship pilots flying under the Huzzah banner. We disengaged but we were followed by locally broadcast 'smack' into the next system.
A short while later whilst traveling to Derelik again we came under fire, this time by a small group of what appeared to be CVA Frigates camping the gate.
My colleague Hinkledolph managed to escape. However whilst i sat and powered down my systems the frigates engaged and only when in structure did i return fire. Resulting in the obvious destruction of my Interceptor.
Based on these earlier events, I began to withdraw some further holdings including my Dominix from the Providence region.
Whilst returning to Empire space myself and my pilots were again engaged, completely unprovoked by an Apocalypse Battleship. We did not return fire. We left the system and attempted to take a different route.
It was then a Recon cruiser began stalking us and i was informed that a trap was laid further ahead with another cruiser in wait...
Fed up with running we engaged the cruiser whilst waiting on the Battleship and Recon to follow suit. Surely enough through they came and after an interesting, albeit rather short lived engagement, my Dominix, went down in flames...
After discussion in local with one of the CVA members. We were informed that we had a -10 KOS standing with them. Apparently due to our 'recent acts of piracy'
The fact we have passed many an ISS hauler along our routes back and forth that night without any kind of 'Piracy' being committed seemed irrelevant.
I apologize now for such a long winded post.
However the simple message appears to be that like many other groups, be they Corporation or large affiliations. The vast majority of them cannot be trusted.
Many claim that neutrals are welcome, or at the least will not be shot on sight.
Some even claim a strict anti-piracy doctrine.
It is now clear to me that this is merely propaganda.
From here on out, all in my eyes shall be viewed based on actions and deeds rather than words and promises.
Fly safe.
K
Don't be ashamed of what you are, embrace it. You'd be surprised how good it feels to let that leash be freed from your neck.
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:38:00 -
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I know for a fact that CVA is very friendly to neutrals as long as they are truly neutral and do not engage in piracy. I came to their space as a totally unknown entity and they let me make a home there. Of course, I had the courtesy and common sense to make my intentions known upon arrival. Did you?
It's always a good idea to talk to someone before using their space.
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The fact we have passed many an ISS hauler along our routes back and forth that night without any kind of 'Piracy' being committed seemed irrelevant.
So what if you didn't commit any piracy that night? It's previous activity that earned you a spot on their KOS list. If your corp wants off the CVA list, I suggest you negotiate with Aralis, CEO of Imperial Dreams.
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End Yourself
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:50:00 -
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Valkazm
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Posted - 2006.05.21 06:19:00 -
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not the first time CVA pull that stuff setting smaller corps to - standing and then justify it with some crappy excuse they did that to one of the corps i was in .. you evil evil evil ..  no but seriously dont trust them 
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Wierdal
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:47:00 -
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CVA are pirates
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Hardin
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Posted - 2006.05.21 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 21/05/2006 09:31:12
We do not set people to -10 for no reason. However I do not know the specifics of this case.
Lots of neutral corps live in our space quite happily and can attest to the fact that we do not 'pirate' - and indeed work tirelessly against pirates.
It is quite possible that one of your corp members has been a naughty boy in our area without informing you - hence the reason you were set to -10.
Mistakes are occasionally made - one of prices we pay for not having an NBSI policy - however where those are made we normally pay compensation if it is proved that we are at fault. Others can also testify to that.
Please talk to Aralis or Ramruqai if you feel a mistake was made or want details on why you are -10.
Edit: To the poster above: A bit rich coming from a TSBS member 
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Kalil d'Maelstromo
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Posted - 2006.05.21 10:02:00 -
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Cadiz is right.
If you have a complaint take it to the leadership of Huzzah.
I'm no longer flying under the HF banner but I remember members being kicked for piracy in the last 6months. Likelihood is that if you do not deserve -10 status it can be retracted but then if its a joint standing between HF and CVA its probable that you or one of your members did a bad thing...
I hear Hans loves the odd convo as his loading screen is up. Gives him a warm an fuzzy feeling 
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If you wanted satisfaction, you should have been on top.
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:11:00 -
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You got shot at and didn't fire back ?!?  Next time, discuss the situation from a position of power - when you have a CVA or Huzzah pod scrambled 
Max 
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lord masher
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Wierdal
CVA are pirates
in there own space ?
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Mecinia Lua
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Posted - 2006.05.21 15:28:00 -
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When we were based in Mista we used to mine some down towards Providence. Never had any problems out of CVA or Huzzah.
Passed them at many gates and such at times, never targetted or shot at anyone in my corp.
It seems the leaders have posted here, Aralis and Hans, I'd suggest talking it over with them and see what caused this misunderstanding. However I don't think either of them pirate, at least they never pirated us.
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Ramruqai
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:40:00 -
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I can't speak fo Huzzah and I don't know what insident of your interceptor beeing killed by CVA. Please provide me a killmail, either ingame or here I don't care.
The reason why me, Sidyus and Clavius decided to kill your Domi was for acts of piracy against the corporation "Advanced Security And Asset Protection" in the solarsystem G-B22J resulting in the loss of a Cyclone piloted by DaVinchi, another vessel of theirs escaped. This corporation is neither CVA or HF so you had no reason at all to attack them regardless of what CVA and HF had done to you in the past, wich personaly I see no proof of.
Link to battleclinic mail
Somone not shoting ISS is not a proof they are not pirates, shoting ISS for most is just as wise as attacking Amarr Navy ships in Amarr. They provide station/outpost service to anyone that does not shot them, giving that up is just stupid.
You and your coproration are KOS untill you stop hunting our pilots like you and your friend planed to do in x-r3 just as this post is beeing typed. You also you will have to make things right with all the neutrals you have killed in our space. So far it's a HF Omen and the Cyclone linked above acording to battleclinic at least.
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Please don't confuse Armageddon with an Apocalypse.
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Clavius XIV
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Posted - 2006.05.21 19:05:00 -
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You claim to be an innocent victim and not a pirate? All evidence to the contrary appearently:
OP's Pirating Dominix
Looking for pirating advice.
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Kaiu
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Posted - 2006.05.21 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ramruqai
I can't speak fo Huzzah and I don't know what insident of your interceptor beeing killed by CVA. Please provide me a killmail, either ingame or here I don't care.
The reason why me, Sidyus and Clavius decided to kill your Domi was for acts of piracy against the corporation "Advanced Security And Asset Protection" in the solarsystem G-B22J resulting in the loss of a Cyclone piloted by DaVinchi, another vessel of theirs escaped. This corporation is neither CVA or HF so you had no reason at all to attack them regardless of what CVA and HF had done to you in the past, wich personaly I see no proof of.
Link to battleclinic mail
Somone not shoting ISS is not a proof they are not pirates, shoting ISS for most is just as wise as attacking Amarr Navy ships in Amarr. They provide station/outpost service to anyone that does not shot them, giving that up is just stupid.
You and your coproration are KOS untill you stop hunting our pilots like you and your friend planed to do in x-r3 just as this post is beeing typed. You also you will have to make things right with all the neutrals you have killed in our space. So far it's a HF Omen and the Cyclone linked above acording to battleclinic at least.
As you (which i understand is the main reason you ask)well know there is no 'proof' that i could provide.
I have the killmails for losses vs. your ships as in my OP. Those pilots will claim we engaged first. Doesn't surprise me at all.
Huzzahs word as CVA are not to be trusted. They engage neutrals at a whim whilst claiming defence etc
Well, i will see you in space.
PS: Personally i don't believe 15 man gangs vs 2 pilots is exactly required. Each to thier own i guess.
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Kaiu
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Posted - 2006.05.21 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Clavius XIV
You claim to be an innocent victim and not a pirate? All evidence to the contrary appearently:
OP's Pirating Dominix
Looking for pirating advice.
As i advised to your colleagues in space earlier. Having a setup and using one is clearly two very different things.
I have a 'pirating ferox' and a 'bait prophecy' setup neither of which i can fly.
As for the post, it clearly states that i went exploring...
Please stop trying to find exscuses for the simple matter that your pilots engaged neutrals in your supposedly neutral friendly territory.
Your words cannot be trusted.
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Ramruqai
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Posted - 2006.05.21 20:14:00 -
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Battle clinic mail (again) - If this Crow loss of yours is what you speak of thoose guys are not remotely connected with CVA, we have seen them around but have not done anything bad as far as we know. Killing a pirate, that you are, is not a bad thing.
I wanted the killmail so I could talk to the persons involved but aparently you don't dare to show that killmail so i must ask myself if there realy is a killmail?
If we did not like neutrals in our space we would run a NBSI policy like most other alliances but we don't so shoting random neutrals is just so far from beeing a possibility.
Anyone should see that it's your words that are not to be trusted. This debate has come to an end, you will remain KOS like it or not.
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Kaiu
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Posted - 2006.05.21 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ramruqai
Battle clinic mail (again) - If this Crow loss of yours is what you speak of thoose guys are not remotely connected with CVA, we have seen them around but have not done anything bad as far as we know. Killing a pirate, that you are, is not a bad thing.
The pilots have CVA/huzzah friendly in thier BIO and camp gates in your system but aren't affiliated with you? Now why do i find that hard to swallow...
Originally by: Ramruqai
I wanted the killmail so I could talk to the persons involved but aparently you don't dare to show that killmail so i must ask myself if there realy is a killmail?
Really is a killmail? you just posted the link to it yourself...
Originally by: Ramruqai
Anyone should see that it's your words that are not to be trusted.
From what has happened i doubt that very much. However the end result matters now. CVA and Huzzah engaged, the standings are set and we in your space...
Originally by: Ramruqai
This debate has come to an end, you will remain KOS like it or not.
Well, there was never really a debate. I posted the events as they happened and the outcome. As for KOS, yes, we are aware.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.05.21 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kaiu
Originally by: Clavius XIV
You claim to be an innocent victim and not a pirate? All evidence to the contrary appearently:
OP's Pirating Dominix
Looking for pirating advice.
As i advised to your colleagues in space earlier. Having a setup and using one is clearly two very different things.
I have a 'pirating ferox' and a 'bait prophecy' setup neither of which i can fly.
As for the post, it clearly states that i went exploring...
Please stop trying to find exscuses for the simple matter that your pilots engaged neutrals in your supposedly neutral friendly territory.
Your words cannot be trusted.
Dont try and act hard in the playground and then go crying to the dinner ladies when one of the bigger boys gives you a slap.
All these people that put "YARRRR" or in their posts should be treated exactly that way.
I have nothing against pirates at all and if I get killed/ransomed by them then I take the hit and learn from it, but I DONT go around acting like I'm something I'm not just to be in their gang.
If I wanted to be I would be, could you ?
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Kaiu
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Posted - 2006.05.21 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Uggster
Originally by: Kaiu
Originally by: Clavius XIV
You claim to be an innocent victim and not a pirate? All evidence to the contrary appearently:
OP's Pirating Dominix
Looking for pirating advice.
As i advised to your colleagues in space earlier. Having a setup and using one is clearly two very different things.
I have a 'pirating ferox' and a 'bait prophecy' setup neither of which i can fly.
As for the post, it clearly states that i went exploring...
Please stop trying to find exscuses for the simple matter that your pilots engaged neutrals in your supposedly neutral friendly territory.
Your words cannot be trusted.
Dont try and act hard in the playground and then go crying to the dinner ladies when one of the bigger boys gives you a slap.
All these people that put "YARRRR" or in their posts should be treated exactly that way.
I have nothing against pirates at all and if I get killed/ransomed by them then I take the hit and learn from it, but I DONT go around acting like I'm something I'm not just to be in their gang.
If I wanted to be I would be, could you ?
I tried to grasp some understanding of what your post actually says or how it relates to this thread in anyway. But i gave up... /yawn
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Rustok
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Posted - 2006.05.21 22:01:00 -
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CVA have turned to piracy and griefing, i got ganked there by 2x gankageddons while travelling threw there, and i havnt been there since HOW got dispanded.
and on a sidenote CVA\HUSSAH need to chill on the smacktalk,
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Trinity Faetal
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Posted - 2006.05.21 22:38:00 -
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clearly we have nothign to do with this and are neither Huzzah/CVA or bob alts. we don't use hacks in combat either, all lies!!
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Sidyous
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Posted - 2006.05.21 22:49:00 -
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Rustok why would you think that anyone will believe the words of a well known criminal from a well known pirate corporation. You come to space that we protect flying the banner of that corporation you should expect swift justice. It seems for you that the older you get then the more misguided you become. Seems that age doesn't always imply wisdom.
As for Kaiu, you have proven yourself an enemy of the CVA by not abiding by our laws in our space. We have offered you the chance to explain your actions and prove your claims that you were attacked by a someone first but you have decided to decline our offer. You are an enemy of the CVA and from now on will be treated as such as you said to me earlier 'words mean nothing now' (and yes I can provide evidence of that).
Sidyous
CEO Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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xHjfx
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Posted - 2006.05.21 23:14:00 -
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The ease of manipulating ones file on CONCORDs "Bio" system is also one of the reason that these files should not be trusted.
For example - The common criminal/crook/terrorist or pirate could easily update their "Bio" to read anything they like, I could change mine to appear BOB Friendly or Hostile to CVA.
Whether there is any truth in this would be purely upto those reading it...
Lesson of the day: Be wary of "Bio's" they arent the be all and end all of identifying someone. Be vigilant!
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Rustok
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Posted - 2006.05.22 00:12:00 -
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criminal, bit harsh comming from a guy with negative security status, i havnt pirated for years now.
And if im not mistaken CVA shot corvid alliance and they where set up as neutrals. so your not pirates?
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CHAOS100
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Posted - 2006.05.22 02:48:00 -
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It's funny to see all the pirates going "omg cva are pirates they kill us!". To the post above, negative sec status means nothing. I don't know why people have such a hard time understanding that you can kill pirates in low sec space and still lose security sec yourself.
CVA's rule is fairly simple: If your corp has pirated, then you and your corp are kos. It could have been a year ago and you are still kos unless you talk to the leaders.
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Trinity Faetal
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Posted - 2006.05.22 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: xHjfx
The ease of manipulating ones file on CONCORDs "Bio" system is also one of the reason that these files should not be trusted.
For example - The common criminal/crook/terrorist or pirate could easily update their "Bio" to read anything they like, I could change mine to appear BOB Friendly or Hostile to CVA.
Whether there is any truth in this would be purely upto those reading it...
Lesson of the day: Be wary of "Bio's" they arent the be all and end all of identifying someone. Be vigilant!
i thought CVA was a amarr roleplay alliance
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Rattman
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Posted - 2006.05.22 06:03:00 -
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Dunno what you guys did to **** off of CVA/huzzah. But I have to say they do a great job. spent weeks ratting out of misaba and never once had an issue with any of thier members, Even tho at the time I was in a stater corp.
Guess someone in your corp has been a bad bad boy. So either
A. suck it up and talk to them about it
B. goto war with them
C. Ignore it an move on
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.05.22 07:48:00 -
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These CVA smear campaigns are always a hoot...
The evidence has been presented. If you want to denounce piracy and ask to be removed from "Kill on sight" status, then talk to Aralis or Ramruqai and I'm sure something can be arranged. Until such time as appropriate arrangements/promises of proper behavior are made, however, don't expect much sympathy when you are brought to justice by CVA forces.
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