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Yaman
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Posted - 2006.05.21 03:11:00 -
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Hi,
I was wondering - people's thoughts as to the best tank in eve?
why? Well - if anyone has ever read my post on the help forum (it's been there for months) they'll know that I'm the (or one of the) poor saps who crashes randomly in eve....ALLLLL the time. AND I've spent hundreds of dollars trying to fix the problem to boot.
But I digress.. my point is kinda funny . I want to make sure I'm alive after restarting EVE and logging back in :)
Now, in empire, you simply warp away, but I'd feel better in 0.0.
Yes, this may not make sense. Yes, I'm completely crazy.
But generally I have pretty good knowledge of ship outfitting.
BUT - I can't possible try out all ships, even though I can fly a lot...I can't fly all, but I'm not far from most things.
So, currently my resists are all about 90%, well rounded.
I could lower one and boost the others of course, but I tend to like well-rounded things.
Has anyone achieved 95% to all? That's my current goal.
What's everyone's thoughts on the best tank?
Thanks
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Cruz
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Posted - 2006.05.21 03:35:00 -
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Apoc or Absolution have the best tanks ;-)
Most of the time if my game crashes I come back to find my arma perfectly fine with reppers still running.
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Yaman
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Posted - 2006.05.21 03:40:00 -
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Hmm... how good is the absolution?
I think my damnation is running better.
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.05.21 03:43:00 -
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Sacrilege, Absolution or Damnation have pretty good armor tanks. If you can't afford that I'd see about buying an Prophecy. If you like to try shield tanking you could try flying a Ferox and its tech two derivatives.
Yes, it is possible to get 95% resist in all categories, particularly easy for tech two Amarr ships because sometimes they get a bonus to explosive and kinetic damage types. Would it be cost effective? Probably not, unfortunately, since you'll need to get some officer gear to get it that high and dedicate your ship to being a complete tank ship with little in the room for guns.
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Yaman
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:00:00 -
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Edited by: Yaman on 21/05/2006 04:02:45
Yea.. I also wanted to try a Nighthawk, will probably be the next ship I get. Have skills for it -just need isk.
I can shift my resists to like 92, 93 for two and 85, 86 for the other two - or keep em all around 90...
can also get 91, 92 to all and 85 for the last one..
just can't seem to get above 90 on all. Trying - have true sansha adaptive nano, guess I need another one maybe?
ps - where can u find officer loot?
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: Sovy Kurosei on 21/05/2006 04:10:50
 Originally by: Yaman
Trying - have true sansha adaptive nano, guess I need another one maybe?
Yeah, I don't know if this is true but check and see if there are any officer adaptive nano resistence plating. You can check escrow for the officer modules. You can also check the different versions of a specific module when you right-click and get the information of it in-game.
Originally by: Yaman
ps - where can u find officer loot?
Search escrow, if it is rare like faction and officer loot you'll see it being sold there. You could also try checking the sell forums here. Just be careful of the escrow scams. Half of them are usually trying to sell you something stupid like one piece of tritanium.
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Yaman
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:49:00 -
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yea.. i know.
escrow can suck so much.
but i meant like where can i find the drops? but i read in another thread in 0.0... i was hoping somewhere in empire :) I crash randomly! 0.0 is dangerous :(
like more dangerous than normal. i dont mind the normal risk. but i'm at an unfair disadvantage here.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:31:00 -
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Rattlesnake with Officer shieldtank and High-Grade Crystal can reach some insane DPS tank.
Same with a Vulture if u drop on Faction/Officer equipment.
The Vulture may be the better one too if u can find 4 Officer PDU to be able to run a Gist X-Type Large Booster.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:36:00 -
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For a sensible price i'd say an Apoc, with good skills you have 7500 capacitor!! Can tank really well, if you have the isk then Dreads and Carriers also have awesome tanks.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:46:00 -
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for "pvp" tanks... arma, then raven(however EW > tank), followed domi probably.
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Helen Tranter
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Posted - 2006.05.21 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
for "pvp" tanks... arma, then raven(however EW > tank), followed domi probably.
PvP Absolution eats BS's and HAC's
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.21 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Tranter
Originally by: LUKEC
for "pvp" tanks... arma, then raven(however EW > tank), followed domi probably.
PvP Absolution eats BS's and HAC's
Yeah sure.
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.05.21 09:21:00 -
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for ratting i set my absolution with a medium armor rep, 3 energized adaptive nanos 2's and a thermic passive t2. give me all resistances at 82% or higher with armor comp 4.
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Shumpoimp
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:41:00 -
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I'd say a scorpian/rattlesnake, or even the caldari command ships..
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Shumpoimp
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:41:00 -
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I'd say a scorpian/rattlesnake, or even the caldari command ships..
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:48:00 -
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Vulture has a really good shield tank. High base resists, and 6 midslots.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Tranter
Originally by: LUKEC
for "pvp" tanks... arma, then raven(however EW > tank), followed domi probably.
PvP Absolution eats BS's and HAC's
untill u run to someone with nos ?
join soar angelic! or at least bump it
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Xonix
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:19:00 -
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[ 2 | 34] Cormack's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
[ 2 | 34] Cormack's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor Kinetic Hardener
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor Thermic Hardener
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor EM Hardener
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor Explosive Hardener
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor Thermic Hardener
Absolution.armorKineticDamageResonance : 64.84 % => 94.72 % Absolution.armorExplosiveDamageResonance : 77.5 % => 96.62 % Absolution.armorEmDamageResonance : 70.0 % => 95.49 % Absolution.armorThermalDamageResonance : 51.25 % => 96.75 %
As you can see, it's possible on a ship like the absolution, with lot's of nice loot :p
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Xonix
[ 2 | 34] Cormack's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
[ 2 | 34] Cormack's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor Kinetic Hardener
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor Thermic Hardener
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor EM Hardener
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor Explosive Hardener
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor Thermic Hardener
Absolution.armorKineticDamageResonance : 64.84 % => 94.72 % Absolution.armorExplosiveDamageResonance : 77.5 % => 96.62 % Absolution.armorEmDamageResonance : 70.0 % => 95.49 % Absolution.armorThermalDamageResonance : 51.25 % => 96.75 %
As you can see, it's possible on a ship like the absolution, with lot's of nice loot :p
Chelm's is better then cormack's for tanking afaik
and probably a passively tanked vulture... wtf
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:30:00 -
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Nighthawk should sustain Gist X large, with pretty awesome resists.
Rattlesnake is awesome too. For something that will sustain while you are not there, without Gist, armor tanks are better though.
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Buraken v2
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
Originally by: Helen Tranter
Originally by: LUKEC
for "pvp" tanks... arma, then raven(however EW > tank), followed domi probably.
PvP Absolution eats BS's and HAC's
untill u run to someone with nos ?
Dont all ships die to NOS anyway? so bad point.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Tranter
Originally by: LUKEC
for "pvp" tanks... arma, then raven(however EW > tank), followed domi probably.
PvP Absolution eats BS's and HAC's
As long as you dont fight a blasterThron or nos domi, or practicly anything with more than 2 heavy nosfs.
It can handle a raven, but its often a close fight.
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aeti
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Posted - 2006.05.21 14:24:00 -
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ok
phoenix with capital booster, 2 estamel invulns, 45% amp, and the rest cap recharge + pdus etc so you can run the boost on auto in siege forever
resists should be:
EM: 71.728%
EXP: 88.691%
KIN: 83.037%
THERM: 77.382%
mean resist of 80.2095%
booster in siege mode(which is broken atm, but thats something else entirely) gives:
6400*1.45*2 = 18560 boost every 5 seconds
so 3712hp/sec
which results in you being able to tank 18756 dps as long as you have strontium
in fact if you have the shield resist gang mod running maxed out etc should give you an extra 25.875% resist to all (shame it stacks)
with this your resistances end up as
EM: 75.902%
EXP: 90.361%
KIN: 85.541%
THERM: 80.722%
which puts the mean resist upto 83.1315%
and the tank upto 22005.5dps
then there is passive recharge on top of this
things that modify that: skills, the pdu, mindlink, gang skills, shield implants and if we are going for the best here, having a maxed skilled leviathan in gang.
mindlink is slot 10
shield recharge is slot 9
shield capacity is slot 7
total shield hp: 109262
recharge time: 1076s
so peak recharge (assuming 2.4x)
243.7hp/sec
with reists that goes to an extra 1444.7dps from the recharge
so your total tank is 23450.2 dps
anybody think they can beat that?
you may be able to swap a recharger for another inv, not sure if it will fit or if you will have the cap recharge, I really cba to work that out now, but that should put you above 30k dps I guess.
my numbers can be wrong as always, somebody might want to check them 
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.05.21 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: aeti
ok
phoenix with capital booster, 2 estamel invulns, 45% amp, and the rest cap recharge + pdus etc so you can run the boost on auto in siege forever
resists should be:
EM: 71.728%
EXP: 88.691%
KIN: 83.037%
THERM: 77.382%
mean resist of 80.2095%
booster in siege mode(which is broken atm, but thats something else entirely) gives:
6400*1.45*2 = 18560 boost every 5 seconds
so 3712hp/sec
which results in you being able to tank 18756 dps as long as you have strontium
in fact if you have the shield resist gang mod running maxed out etc should give you an extra 25.875% resist to all (shame it stacks)
with this your resistances end up as
EM: 75.902%
EXP: 90.361%
KIN: 85.541%
THERM: 80.722%
which puts the mean resist upto 83.1315%
and the tank upto 22005.5dps
then there is passive recharge on top of this
things that modify that: skills, the pdu, mindlink, gang skills, shield implants and if we are going for the best here, having a maxed skilled leviathan in gang.
mindlink is slot 10
shield recharge is slot 9
shield capacity is slot 7
total shield hp: 109262
recharge time: 1076s
so peak recharge (assuming 2.4x)
243.7hp/sec
with reists that goes to an extra 1444.7dps from the recharge
so your total tank is 23450.2 dps
anybody think they can beat that?
you may be able to swap a recharger for another inv, not sure if it will fit or if you will have the cap recharge, I really cba to work that out now, but that should put you above 30k dps I guess.
my numbers can be wrong as always, somebody might want to check them
not really realistic tho, try finding 2 estamel's invuls
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Farjung
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Posted - 2006.05.21 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
Originally by: Xonix
[ 2 | 34] Cormack's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
[ 2 | 34] Cormack's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor Kinetic Hardener
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor Thermic Hardener
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor EM Hardener
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor Explosive Hardener
[ 1 | 28] Cormack's Modified Armor Thermic Hardener
Absolution.armorKineticDamageResonance : 64.84 % => 94.72 % Absolution.armorExplosiveDamageResonance : 77.5 % => 96.62 % Absolution.armorEmDamageResonance : 70.0 % => 95.49 % Absolution.armorThermalDamageResonance : 51.25 % => 96.75 %
As you can see, it's possible on a ship like the absolution, with lot's of nice loot :p
Chelm's is better then cormack's for tanking afaik
and probably a passively tanked vulture... wtf
Cormack (and core x-type), draclira, and chelm (centus x-type) hardeners are all exactly the same.
Xonix, I think you're using quickfit's resistance calculator, which I've found to be inaccurate
Assuming all armor compensation 5 your resists with that setup on an absolution is:
EM: 94.314%
Exp: 95.735%
Kin: 93.336%
Therm: 94.546%
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.05.21 15:10:00 -
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Just a thought.
Your tank is made up of two parts.
Reducing damage taken (protection), and replenishing armour/shield (healing if you like).
There has to be a point at which it is more beneficial to increase healing rather than protection.
I have not run any figures on it, but consider this as an example.
A command ship has 93% resists across the boards, and can run 1 med repper 24/7.
Command ship number 2 drops some of those resists, and ends up down at 88%, but can run 2 med reppers 24/7.
Which tanks better? Command ship number 2.
Of course if cap is no issue (complexes/missions with a logistics ship), or if armour/shield repair is no issue - same thing, then resists are all that matter.
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aeti
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Posted - 2006.05.21 17:02:00 -
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with the 3rd inv you go upto 30176 dps
should still be able to run forever but needs the cpu implant off the top of my head (slot 6)
not quite as nos proof tho :\
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Leshrac Shepherd
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Posted - 2006.05.21 17:26:00 -
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My bet for best tank would be on the Scorpion.
Not that I think tanking one is a good idea, just that in an hypothetical tank competition with the best mods and all that kind of expensive **** it would come up on top.
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R31D
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: R31D on 21/05/2006 18:34:48
Doesn't really answer your question much, but here's a 'super-tank' I got bored and made one day
Rattlesnake:
3x Estamel Invuls
2x Gist XL X-Type Shieldboosters
1x Estamel Shieldboost Amp
3x Chelm PDU
3x Chelm Cap Relays
Runs constantly.
Resists of 79.79%/91.92%/87.88%/83.84%.
Boosts 332.013 hp/sec.
Would do me fine and there's room to fit a full rack of T2 sieges too if you drop a PDU for an officer co-proc
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Cruz
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm
A command ship has 93% resists across the boards, and can run 1 med repper 24/7.
Command ship number 2 drops some of those resists, and ends up down at 88%, but can run 2 med reppers 24/7.
Which tanks better? Command ship number 2.
But command ship 1 recieves half the damage that command ship 2 does so they tank the same even though commandship 2 repairs 2x the hp/s.
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