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Lob Loblaw
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Posted - 2006.05.21 03:51:00 -
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I started playing Eve last January. I joined a corp called The Merchant Marine (TheMM) not long after finishing the tutorial. About a month after I joined TheMM, I left as part of an exodus of people who protested the way the corp was being run by its leadership. We who left eventually became the VOFL corp. The schism devolved into a shooting war at one point, pitting "splitters" against remaining TheMM members.
TheMM ended up joining ASCN Alliance, ASCN declared war against VOFL, VOFL retracted the war against TheMM (come on! thousands-to-one odds really stink!), we all went about our separate ways.
Fast forward a few months: VOFL is playing nicely in Caldari space, practicing tactics and industrial stuff. Word came down that we would join a corp (Ark-Corp) and become part of the Orion Alliance. Overall consensus was "Great, but it seems kind of rushed." We joined anyway.
We were members of Ark-Corp for less than a week. We logged on one day and found that most of us former VOFL folks (about 5 of us) had been punted from Ark-Corp. Further inquiry found that the 5 of us had been placed on a blacklist published by BoB and ASCN at the request of Ethan Kel, CEO of TheMM. It appears that Ark-Corp was threatened with destruction by the other two corps if we were not immediately blacklisted.
By now you may think that this is just a whine. It isn't. I want to thank Ethan Kel of TheMM and the CEO's of ASCN and BoB for putting me on their blacklist. I am a very minor player with a good security rating in Empire space. If my ticking off a minor CEO caused two major Alliances to react to little ol' LeBob, then I am very much flattered. That means that I, member of the Council of the Small and Silly, have impacted the judgement of the Great and Wise. LeBob is LeNotorious!!!
If the actions of Ethan Kel and the CEOs of ASCN and BoB are designed to drive myself and my fellow "splitters" out of Eve entirely, then to quote Mrs. LeBob, "Fuggedaboudit!" I enjoy the game and intend to stay.
And if the avowed intention of the blackballers is to drive us former VOFLs from playing Eve, remember that you are also "pay-to-play" people as well. You ain't real, and you can't hurt us.
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:02:00 -
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That's the spirit!
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Jin Jemai
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:24:00 -
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I love the spirit shown in this post. Good for you sir, don't let a few idiots get you down :)
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:31:00 -
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no free stuff then? 
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:54:00 -
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Great that you're enjoying Eve, great that you're not quitting but I haven't got a clue who you or your corp are and I can tell you for sure you're not on any special blacklist that this BoB CEO knows about. 
Eve Blacklight Style
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Tonkin
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:54:00 -
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either make a corp and have fun around empire space or join a allince that are not friends with ascn or bob, really now there are 3 sides of eve. bob and its allies, allainces against bob or dont have a good standing towards them, and empire corps which do there own little thing. each side has its own advantages and disadvantage, be either one of them sides you will always have some part of eve that hates your guts and will kill ya any opatunity.
which makes eve the best game i have played.
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:58:00 -
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You're better off not being in ARK-CORP anyway, they're a bunch of tards.
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.05.21 08:31:00 -
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So basically you're massaging your ego?
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.21 08:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Lob Loblaw
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But I'd try to talk to those who might have put you on the blacklist first for their point of view. Putting someone on a blacklist normally does not happen out of the blue.
If you're blackmailed as spies, scammers, robbers, corp thieves, you might have a really rough time ahead.
If nothing helps and you got proof, try a harrassment petition as a last resort.
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Megadon
CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.05.21 09:22:00 -
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its not harassment when another corp request u be removed from a corp or alliance due to previous bad standings etc. Its political issues but its borderline
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.05.21 09:37:00 -
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If it makes you happy I can put you on my personal blacklist.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.21 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
its not harassment when another corp request u be removed from a corp or alliance due to previous bad standings etc. Its political issues but its borderline
On which side on the border that issue lies is up to GM descretion.
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Megadon
CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
Avon
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Posted - 2006.05.21 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
Originally by: Miss Overlord
its not harassment when another corp request u be removed from a corp or alliance due to previous bad standings etc. Its political issues but its borderline
On which side on the border that issue lies is up to GM descretion.
It has nothing to do with the GM's.
People who petition stuff like this only serve to hold up the petition queue from addressing legitimate problems.
They should be punished for time-wasting.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.05.21 09:58:00 -
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if u feel like petitioning petition and find out what the feedback is. But its up to the individual ofc
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.21 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 21/05/2006 10:18:13
Uuhm, how did this turn into an exploit or harrasment petition ?
What he's saying is that he heard that some people told a corp he was a member of to get rid of him as prequisite for not being put to negative standing by those people.
How in hells name could that ever constitute harrasment ?
It's not like they are pursuing him from one end of eve to the other declaring war wherever he goes do they ?
please refer to blacklights post. Blacklight has no idea who this muppet is. Neither do I.
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Sixpak
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Posted - 2006.05.21 14:40:00 -
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Two weeks after I started playing EvE, my corp plunged into civil war. After some dubious incidents, some of us began to feel betrayed by the CEO and so we left and started our own corp.
Some nasty words were exchanged and war broke out. Our smaller corp of about 8 people quickly went on the offensive against the 100 person corp we had just left. In two weeks of fighting we had destroyed about 25 ships, including battleships, and we had lost just one merlin. Suprisingly, especially to us, we had them on the run.
At that point, ASCN informed us that the corp we were at war with was joining thier alliance and war dec'd us to let us know to back off. So we respectfully backed off, headed up north and went about our business. All wars were retracted.
Now several months later, after no contact with any of our former opponents, our new alliance informs us that they have been contacted by a representative of ASCN alliance threatening to goto war with them if they keep us as members. He said that we were "blacklisted by ASCN".
It would appear that CYVOK has trusted Ethan Kel and The Merchant Marines with the authority to threaten empire corps with destruction on behalf of ASCN alliance.
Its kind of funny that we're blacklisted by one of the most powerful alliances in the game when we're all semi-respectable, good security rating, empire space flying, noobs. But I guess its nice to know that somebody out there is thinking about me...
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Lob Loblaw
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Posted - 2006.05.21 14:55:00 -
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It is good to know that the BoB CEO doesn't know anything about the blacklisting. You might want to see just who, exactly, envoked your alliance name then. The CEO of Ark-Corp named BoB and ASCN as the alliances who ordered our blacklisting, at the request of Ethan Kel, CEO of The Merchant Marines (a proud subsidiary of ASCN).
This post wasn't and isn't a petition to address a grievance. It is merely an attempt to flip over a rock to see the slimy stuff that crawls around when exposed.
Not only am I notorious, I'm a muppet too!
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Kuari Slaveblade
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Posted - 2006.05.21 15:04:00 -
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I will have to say that Sixpak and LeBob tell our "small" corps feelings correctly. I am currently working with Cyvok and ASCN to try and resolve this issue. I will say that Cyvok has made it a point, even though he is constantly busy, to stop what he is doing and listen. Honestly, that alone has garnered some of my respect.
To the audience here, trust me, the matter at hand is not one to be taken lightly. There is one person that Ethan Kel does not like, and has embarked on a crusade to annihilate this person from the game by driving everyone around him insane with the politiks. Because of his hatred of this 1 player, he has blacklisted an entire list of people (including ones that had not played at the time the hatred sparked). He has essentially told our entire corp that we must "publicly appologize" to him for associating with this person, and at that point if we continue to associate with that 1 person we will be put on a blacklist. This person who has given you millions of ISK, tons of ships and training that no one else has tried to give you? Now if someone told you that your buddy was a piece of crap and you had to publicly apologize...what the heck would you be apologizing for? For having a choice in friends?
If we cant get this resolved and I still hope we can, we will just have to remain blacklisted and harrased through the entire game. Our gaming time is precious, but our character as a collective will keep us going regardless of the "bully's" of the game. Keeping in mind that our 8 person collective will be set on by a 4000 person alliance. I wonder if I should be flattered?
In Conclusion, to those BoB members here who havent heard of this "blacklist", I would ask your leadership what the deal is, because at this time Ethan has repeatedly told us about his "relationships with the big alliances BoB and ASCN" and how he will use those to follow us wherever we may go.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.05.21 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kuari Slaveblade
In Conclusion, to those BoB members here who havent heard of this "blacklist", I would ask your leadership what the deal is, because at this time Ethan has repeatedly told us about his "relationships with the big alliances BoB and ASCN" and how he will use those to follow us wherever we may go.
"The deal is" that it's a load of old rowlocks. We don't know your corp, don't care about your corp, don't know this Ethan person and don't care about him either.
There's enough tinfoilasshattery on this forum as it is without dragging us into handbags at dawn over people we don't know.
Eve Blacklight Style
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kuari Slaveblade
In Conclusion, to those BoB members here who havent heard of this "blacklist", I would ask your leadership what the deal is, because at this time Ethan has repeatedly told us about his "relationships with the big alliances BoB and ASCN" and how he will use those to follow us wherever we may go.
blacklight IS the leadership of BoB 
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CelticKnight
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:48:00 -
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wow. when did you get blacklisted. normally we see something about blacklistings, and tbh ive never heard of you or your corp, and Ethan Kel has never mentioned you in passing or otherwise... what did you do to irritate him??
Ive never heard of ya... Oh well, dont leave eve because of one small indiscretion, go join some other alliance, the world doesnt revolve around ASCN and BOB (despite what the forum warriors, and noobs, may think!). Get on with ur life, and if it makes you feel any better pod ethan next time you see him!
Thats all folks!
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Powder
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kuari Slaveblade
In Conclusion, to those BoB members here who havent heard of this "blacklist", I would ask your leadership what the deal is, because at this time Ethan has repeatedly told us about his "relationships with the big alliances BoB and ASCN" and how he will use those to follow us wherever we may go.
God that sounds really similar to an event that took place about 2 1/2 years ago in a little alliance called ORS
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Lob Loblaw
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Posted - 2006.05.21 17:22:00 -
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I'm glad nobody from BoB or ASCN blacklisted us. Here's a chat log of us not being blacklisted:
[ 2006.05.15 19:52:00 ] LeBob > Arkflyer, could I ask why some of us folks who recently joined from VOFL have been kicked from ARK?
[ 2006.05.15 19:55:12 ] Arkflyer > yes m8 i sent an explanation to DD
[ 2006.05.15 19:55:37 ] Arkflyer > you were in AF bob black list m8 4 people contacted me
[ 2006.05.15 19:56:26 ] LeBob > Really?
[ 2006.05.15 19:56:57 ] LeBob > I never received an explanation from you or anyone
[ 2006.05.15 19:57:23 ] Arkflyer > yes specialy if you and dd are from veterans of lib sorry m8
[ 2006.05.15 19:58:04 ] Arkflyer > i was contacted by 2 ceos from AF and 1 frm BOB
[ 2006.05.15 19:58:21 ] LeBob > Ok.
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Lob Loblaw
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Posted - 2006.05.21 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: CelticKnight
wow. when did you get blacklisted. normally we see something about blacklistings, and tbh ive never heard of you or your corp, and Ethan Kel has never mentioned you in passing or otherwise... what did you do to irritate him??
Ive never heard of ya... Oh well, dont leave eve because of one small indiscretion, go join some other alliance, the world doesnt revolve around ASCN and BOB (despite what the forum warriors, and noobs, may think!). Get on with ur life, and if it makes you feel any better pod ethan next time you see him!
Thats all folks!
What did we do to irritate Ethan? Pretty much we called him a doody-head (if I am to be called a muppet, I must sound like a muppet) and left his corp. He was so gracious about it, he called us lots of names. So we war dec'd him and pretty much beat up on TheMM until they joined ASCN.
My life hasn't come to a screeching halt. I was merely saying thanks to the folks who consider me to be such a threat.
And we'd dearly love to pod Ethan, but he is surrounded by ASCN folks. During our brief war with TheMM, he could be found enjoying the delights of station living.
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.05.21 17:51:00 -
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This looks like it might belong in the Corps and Org forum.
So moved.
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Originally by: thedragoon
Well the post was not trolling it was an alliance post and as the leader of the alliance i request that my post remains before i find Abdalion scramble his ass for being a fool
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.21 17:59:00 -
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/me does a happy dance
2.5 front lines cleared by getting people to do some chatting with each other.
I love how it works out when people start talking to each other.
I don't think I want to fly cover over that Ethan Kel guy in the near future.
And I think that the CEO of the Ark-Corp learned to talk to the proper authorities when such request should appear in the future.
To bad some have to read the words harrassment and petition to get rolling first. 
Happy sunday to all of you!
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Megadon
CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
Eleese
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kuari Slaveblade
I will have to say that Sixpak and LeBob tell our "small" corps feelings correctly. I am currently working with Cyvok and ASCN to try and resolve this issue. I will say that Cyvok has made it a point, even though he is constantly busy, to stop what he is doing and listen. Honestly, that alone has garnered some of my respect.
To the audience here, trust me, the matter at hand is not one to be taken lightly. There is one person that Ethan Kel does not like, and has embarked on a crusade to annihilate this person from the game by driving everyone around him insane with the politiks. Because of his hatred of this 1 player, he has blacklisted an entire list of people (including ones that had not played at the time the hatred sparked). He has essentially told our entire corp that we must "publicly appologize" to him for associating with this person, and at that point if we continue to associate with that 1 person we will be put on a blacklist. This person who has given you millions of ISK, tons of ships and training that no one else has tried to give you? Now if someone told you that your buddy was a piece of crap and you had to publicly apologize...what the heck would you be apologizing for? For having a choice in friends?
If we cant get this resolved and I still hope we can, we will just have to remain blacklisted and harrased through the entire game. Our gaming time is precious, but our character as a collective will keep us going regardless of the "bully's" of the game. Keeping in mind that our 8 person collective will be set on by a 4000 person alliance. I wonder if I should be flattered?
In Conclusion, to those BoB members here who havent heard of this "blacklist", I would ask your leadership what the deal is, because at this time Ethan has repeatedly told us about his "relationships with the big alliances BoB and ASCN" and how he will use those to follow us wherever we may go.
Well tbo this respect you have gained for cyvok would probably be returned more if you didnt make big post about it and just convo people ingame lol
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:14:00 -
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Tbh, i doubt our leaders care either way.
The Ethan guy in question is not set to positive by us, so he'll be shot if we see him. Same goes for the LeMuppet guy so all actually seems quite fine to me.
http://www.eve-files.com/media/signatures/evol-rod-blaine.gif
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:19:00 -
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Ah so you are the famous LeBoB everyone is talking about in alliance chat, alliance mail, alliance forums and every local chat in every ascn systems.
Why didnt you post with your main btw?
- Gob
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Lygos
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:25:00 -
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Moral of Thread: Manic, paranoid, borderline schizophrenic people often seek and rise to positions of power. Also, it is unusual to see anyone remain in the position of CEO without being moderately stubborn.
Quick, to the popcorn!
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