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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:21:00 -
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i'm wondering how many skillpoints a player ought to have into ship piloting skills before they get a battleship. in my case it's the raven. I want to fly one but i am worried that my skills are so low i will end up losing it easily.
the skillpoint total is 1.6 mil but 600k are into learning and non-combat-related skills. only 32k into missiles, but 160k into gunnery.
should i stick with my missile-ferox for now?
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Talori'i
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:33:00 -
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 Originally by: mazzilliu
i'm wondering how many skillpoints a player ought to have into ship piloting skills before they get a battleship. in my case it's the raven. I want to fly one but i am worried that my skills are so low i will end up losing it easily.
the skillpoint total is 1.6 mil but 600k are into learning and non-combat-related skills. only 32k into missiles, but 160k into gunnery.
should i stick with my missile-ferox for now?
I have 5.5 mil SP, 2 mil is in learning. From what I have heard, some players didn't feel comfortable till they had 8-12 mil skillpoints when flying a battleship. I would say stick with the ferox. I am skilled enough flying my brutix, I can do any level 3 without warping out, except when I bring the wrong setup(took kinetic hardeners in when the NPCs were doing explosive).
Although with only 32k in missles and you wanting to go into a missle ship, thats kind of troubling. Get more missle skills and get more shield tanking skills first. Then try the raven I would say.
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:49:00 -
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oops, i don't know why i said raven. i was thinking of a gunnery platform instead. megathron or apoc.
ok, then i will stick with my ferox for now. more into missiles and get a BS when i have several more mil skillpoints.
thanks 
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:31:00 -
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I first got into a battleship with 2mil skillpoints and, well, i sucked.
There is no set must have skill points, invest some time into hybrids and turn your ferox into the rail platform it was meant to be.
2mil in gunnary is probibly an acceptable figure to get yourself started, get some tanking skills either in armour for Amarr/Galante or shield for caldari.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2006.05.21 09:50:00 -
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You can fly a BS fairly comfortable at around 6 months of playing if you did use two for the advanced learning skills. What you really NEED is Electronics 5, Engineering 5 and Gunnery 5. Then you need a bunch of cap and gunnery support skills at 3/4 depending on their rank.
I think you're looking at 4-5m-ish skillpoints before you can think about a BS. For PvP, don't even start considering sitting in a BS before you hit 12-15mil.
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FlyT3
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:02:00 -
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Well, I have just hit 3mil SP, and the biggest ship I'm flying is a Retribution  ...and no, not all of my points are in learning, I have over 1mil in Gunnery, and 500k in Spaceship command (the rest are spread out in Electronics, Engineering, Mechanics etc...and of course, learning  )
I wouldn't reccomend going into a Battleship at this early stage. To be honest I would just try and max out the skills to fly a Ferox very effectively (Ferox's are a very deadly ship when flown by a good pilot), and work your way up to Tech II guns etc. After you can fly a Ferox effectively, you can start training/saving for a Battleship.
Just my 2cents 
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Mike Yagon
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:08:00 -
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I got my apoc at 2m skillpoints and then mined in it for ages. Very good reason to get a BS early. Barges didn't exist at that time either. By now I am approaching the 11m SP, and I'm just about getting comfortable doing level 4 missions. But there are still a few I cannot do solo, Silence the Informant, Angel Extravaganza, Vengeance, In the midst of deadspace, and Right hand of Zazzmatazz are ones I tend to decline. All the others are easy. :)
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Belsazzar
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:40:00 -
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The problem is lvl 3 are way too easy in a BC and it takes a long time until you can solo lvl 4. That makes for a long boring wait :( I fly a brutix and its too good for lvl 3, it has become boring :(
Here a vote for the new 3,5 lvl ;)
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:52:00 -
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Six million six hundred sixty-six thousand and six hudnred sixty-six skill points.
Ravens are evil 
Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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discerning gentleman
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:02:00 -
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depends on BS to a degree. you can rat and then be effective in pvp in caldari BS MUCH quicker than other races.
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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.05.21 13:12:00 -
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As long as you use Tech 2 siege/cruise + hardeners/extenders and T2 shield boosters on it, you should be all right (The Raven).
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Traeon
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Posted - 2006.05.21 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Traeon on 21/05/2006 13:32:59
Hey mazzy
I'd finish learning skills first. Get the perception, willpower, intelligence and memory ones to level V. Then get the advanced ones to level IV. Also get Learning IV. Forget about the charisma ones. It is worth it. Just set the skill and forget about it for a few days.
Other than that, i'd say lvl V engineering and electronics. Level IV in the tanking and cap skills. Level III in the missile support skills and level III in the missile system that you want to use on your Raven (torps or cruise missile). Level III caldari battleship.
Maybe some people would disagree with this, but i would also add drones V and some levels of drone interfacing to the list. I love the little buggers, except when they are, well, bugged. They tear those annoying frigates a new one, and can easily solo a typical npc cruiser.
As i said though, my advice is to stick with learning skills for now. You'll thank me later
Edit: oh you meant Megathron/Apocalypse. Well, it's the same really, just get level IV mechanic, armor repair systems and hull upgrades, and level V gunnery with level III support skills or so. If you go gallente definitely get drones V before your bs.
By the way, caldari seems to be getting a turret based battleship so perhaps it is a bit early to start training another race. You can just train universal skills that are useful for every ship in the meantime.
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Wrench Head
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:30:00 -
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I would stick with a Caracal until you have 500K in Missiles and Level 4 in Battle cruiser and then get in a Ferox. Not a moment sooner.
Once your Missile skills are near 2M and BS level 4, jump in a Raven and insure it. This is a starting point and get your Torpedoes to 5 and Drones to 5 FAST.
Sounds like a tall order but it is not. However if you try sooner just realize you will likely lose it in any 1v1 encounters in 0.0 |
Balcura
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Posted - 2006.05.21 17:52:00 -
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I started using a Raven with the following skills.
Missile launcher Ops 4
Torps 3
the rest of the missile support skills at 3
Weapon Upgreades 3
Electronics 5
Target Painting 3
Sig Analy 3
Targeting 3
Engineering 4
Energy Management 4
Energy Grid Upgrades 3
Energy Management 4
Energy System Ops 4
Shield Comp 3
Shield Management 4
Shield Ops 4
Shield Upgrades 4
Tactical Shield Manipulation 4
What these skills allow you to do is use the basic weapon systems and tank well enough to survive a triple BS spawn in 0.0
Raven Set-up
Highs - Arbalest Seige Launcher x6, Heavy Deminishing NOS, Small Tractor Beam
Meds - 30% target painer, shield boost amp, extra large CL-5 shield booster, 3x active tech 2 hardners (I used 2 EM and 1 Therm)
Lows - BCU I's x2, Power Diag Sys I's x3
When I got the skills I swapped out the BUC I's for BCU II's, then the PDS I's for PDS II's and lastly the Tech 1 named target painter for a Target Painter II (if your having cap issues then you can use cap recharger instead of the target painter)
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Nacteom
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:24:00 -
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A Raven is VERY easy. You can *very* easily use a Raven effectively w/ about 2.5mil-3mil SP. Definately not for PvP, but for PvE - you'll do absolutely fine. Just have get missile skills and invest in some shield tanking skills.
If you plan on ratting in 0.0, make sure it's secure space (deep within your Alliance space) and fit 2-3 stabs. Plenty of lows on a Raven, and any more than 2-3 bcu's is a waste anyway.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:58:00 -
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had my first with about 4.5 mio SP.
But that was a scorp in 2003 
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DanFraser
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Posted - 2006.05.21 23:13:00 -
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Well, I got an Apoc at 3mil SP, and I could use it effectively in lvl 4's at 4.5mil. It's a case of targeting your skill points and also learning how to use your ship.
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Ironass
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Posted - 2006.05.21 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: DanFraser
...and also learning how to use your ship.
That has to be the best thing i've ever seen written around here. You fly a ship when you feel ready for it and understand the basic mechanics of the ship. Learn the ship, be the ship...
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Jan Riksma
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Posted - 2006.05.22 08:43:00 -
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You can get in a raven verry quick, lvl 3 BS and make sure you can fit a tech2 tank (shield en enery skills), your missles skills you train up on the job. You need top end skills to solo but low skills work verry fine in groups ops and it will be verry unlikely you would be made primary.
But i advice you to train up caldari frigate lvl 5 and get a Hawk (caldari missle assault frigate. You won't regret it and then work towards your BS.
Cheers,
Jan
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Jarek Naumen
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Posted - 2006.05.22 11:02:00 -
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You should be able to performs decently in a BS for npcing with 3-5m SP. But PvP is another matter. I have almost 8m SP but i'm far from ready to fly a BS proficiently in PvP (except Domi but that's for solo/small gangs only).
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 22/05/2006 12:03:07
didn't expect so many responces, thanks 
well now im out in 0.0 now and ratting, its very slow solo with a ferox. i can put 2 BCUs without compromising my tank but the damage is still too low to kill anything larger then a 500k bounty battleship(and that with great difficulty). i added another level in heavy missiles and thus upped my total missile skillpoint amount to 35k(!!!).
With all this 0.0 ratting money im getting i'm thinking i should get a raven just for NPCing to save time, as long as local is always empty i will never have to worry about losing it in pvp, and for pvp i can use my disposable cruisers and frigs. so long as the npcs die is all that matters.
drones is at level 3 currently.
the advanced intelligence learning skill is already at level 4, im working on basic perception skill level 5 should be done right after patch day.
i'm really not far off from being able to fly a battleship as it is now, i can take 4 days to finish caldari cruiser4 and BS1 if i really wanted to.
btw \0 traeon
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Kessiah
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:29:00 -
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I flew a raven for level 4 missions at around 2.5 million SP. Only things I would say you cannot do without are:
-Launcher 5 for Torps or Cruise (Or gunnery 5 for BS size turrets). Fitting heavy launchers/medium weapons on a BS is a waste, just fly a BC. Plus taking out a NPC BS with cruiser sized weapons is boring.
-Drones 5/interfacing 2+ for taking out frigates.
-Engineering 4/Tactical shields 1 for active hardners (Or whatever the equivelant armor tank skill is)
I was able to solo the easier level 4's with just torps 1 and other misc missle skills in the 3's range, just got easier as my skills went up. Can solo most 4's now aside from the really nasty ones that are either too much or would take so much time as to be no fun.
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Tricky McDee
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:03:00 -
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Not one to buck the trend but comfortably ratting in 0.0 in a domi with 2 mil skill points need to work on ew sp and gunnery to get big guns but
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Jolin Ires
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:36:00 -
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I know this is off-topic but is there any way to link my characters skills's for others to see?
I'm almost at 4 mil skill points and truth be told, I starting to get bored doing level 2 missions with my thorax. Don't remember how much I have in gunnery, probably close to 2 mil in learning, have drones 5, drone interfacing should be at 4 by today evening, heavy drones at 3 (though I use 5 hammerheads), combat drones, scout drones and drones durability at 3. As far as ship skills are concerned, it's frigates at 4 and cruiser at 3.
I was wondering if I would be better off going for Tanaris (an intercepter) and attempting lvl 3 missions, while slowly heading for BS?
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Mike Yagon
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jolin Ires
I know this is off-topic but is there any way to link my characters skills's for others to see?
I'm almost at 4 mil skill points and truth be told, I starting to get bored doing level 2 missions with my thorax. Don't remember how much I have in gunnery, probably close to 2 mil in learning, have drones 5, drone interfacing should be at 4 by today evening, heavy drones at 3 (though I use 5 hammerheads), combat drones, scout drones and drones durability at 3. As far as ship skills are concerned, it's frigates at 4 and cruiser at 3.
I was wondering if I would be better off going for Tanaris (an intercepter) and attempting lvl 3 missions, while slowly heading for BS?
Train Battlecruiser to 3 and start level 3s. :)
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Astrum Ludus
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jolin Ires
I know this is off-topic but is there any way to link my characters skills's for others to see?
I'm almost at 4 mil skill points and truth be told, I starting to get bored doing level 2 missions with my thorax. Don't remember how much I have in gunnery, probably close to 2 mil in learning, have drones 5, drone interfacing should be at 4 by today evening, heavy drones at 3 (though I use 5 hammerheads), combat drones, scout drones and drones durability at 3. As far as ship skills are concerned, it's frigates at 4 and cruiser at 3.
I was wondering if I would be better off going for Tanaris (an intercepter) and attempting lvl 3 missions, while slowly heading for BS?
Battlecruisers and Level IIIs are your friend :)
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Sgt Blade
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Posted - 2006.05.22 20:07:00 -
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just under 10 mill sp and i dont feel comfortable flying a raven without other corp bs's with me.
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Riho
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Posted - 2006.05.23 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Riho on 23/05/2006 08:15:20
im about 3,5 mil
just got my first BS (megathron), and i can say im afraid to do enything other that lvl 3s whit it :P(what are really easy whit a BS ;P) usually i dag along whit my rl m8 when hes doing lvl 4s.
id say when u have sufficient missile skills and shield tanking skills, u can fly a raven quite ok.
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Prescience
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Posted - 2006.05.23 20:17:00 -
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Im at about 15mil SP with 4.5mil in drones. I fly T2 logistics and covert, so I do a LOT of support work. However, when soloing PvE, I like taking out my good old Vexor. That ship rocks when taking out even high bounty rats. I must admit, having trained my advanced drone skills for all races, I just sit back and tank, waiting for the little helpers to finish them off. I look forward to being able to fly an Ishtar and doing some SERIOUS damage. I keep wanting to say, there should be more for the lower end drone specialists, sometimes it seems that until you can fly a carrier, there is little point in getting drones together because they take so long to kill anything. As for battleships, I can fly a Domi, badly, and a Raven, (VERY BADLY).
I know it before you do.
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Iamruss
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Posted - 2006.05.24 00:59:00 -
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I dislike all the negative comments regarding low skill points in regards to flying BS's. I barely hit the 1million mark with skill points and I handle every level3 mission quite easily with my raven. Sure, my skill may be low, but I have a VERY basic setup that allows me to do them. I'm training and iwll be ready for lvl4's in about a month once I am able to get a couple T2 items.
PS. I'm in a raven
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