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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:29:00 -
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 Originally by: General Apocalypse
NO CAPACITOR NEED FOR PROJECTILE TURRESTS ?
Now that's overpowered. Why ? Because Minmatar will become IMUNE to nos and neutralize .
Yeah, just like the Raven and Cerberus!
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xeom
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:50:00 -
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People must be getting stupider on these forums.It makes almost no difference.It was almost next to impossible already to shut down minmatars guns.The main advantagea NOS ship has is that they force thier opponents tank to die.
Remeber people missles don't use cap either and the raven is equaly pwned by the domi.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Naughty Boy
Originally by: Deathbarrage
after patch when you meet a nosf domi, which has retarded dmg output but doesn't need it cuz his enemy can't shoot/tank so he can just sit back and relax, the nosfdomi will find out ''hey wtf the sleipnir is still hitting me with 700DPS even tho i have 4 heavy nosf and 2 medium neuts on him, oh nvm I'm dead, bye''
... exactly what I said in my first post in this thread. If the ecm nos domi can't kill a ship, the ship isn't balanced. 
And even so, the ecm nos domi will kick the ass of the sleipnir without a doubt.
NB.
Not quite true a friend of mine's sleipnir was killed only by the fact his cap was drained and he couldn't shoot anymore
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Dark Silver
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten
well tbh i think they should at least require 1 cap to be abel to shoot as they aren't exactly ingnited by thin air, you need a little cap you operate the little pin that hits the backend of the projectile for it to explode forcing it out.
Misles however are tottaly self propelled so 0 cap for em is fine.
And how does the missile ignite its fuel to propell itself?
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Baalic
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Posted - 2006.05.21 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: CptEagle
Now projectile ammo need to be much more expensive since they also include the energy need to be fired. While the other races need that energy from the cap. It would be fair! 
Medium t1 autocannons cost 1-2 isk per 1 point of damage inflicted.
Heavy missiles cost about 1 isk per 5 damage and also use no cap.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2006.05.21 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
Not quite true a friend of mine's sleipnir was killed only by the fact his cap was drained and he couldn't shoot anymore
You point being...
I'm sorry but really I don't understand what you are trying to prove. That he should have died because the domi had nos ? I don't get it.
NB.
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Roland De'chain
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Posted - 2006.05.21 19:51:00 -
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Really don't see the problem, people are claiming that an AC boat will be able to kill nossing ships i don't see how, see below for reason:
You have any idea how difficult it is to kill a ship when you don't have the cap to scram it? or web it for that matter?
Heaven forbid people should think of such cunning ways to avoid destruction. Or if you dont want to warp out take the following steps:
1) Take said nossing bs use ab/mwd to move into a 15km orbit of the unfortunate munnin, command ship, whatever
2) keep enemy nossed so he cant mwd/ab away from you keep him scrammed watch the pitiful DPS AC's will do to you at 15km'and laugh as your waves of drones eat said ship alive because it doesnt have any cap left to tank.
Nos should not be a 'no thought required' i win button...
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.05.21 21:18:00 -
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quite funny....
now if an AC to fire use 30-50 i agree that the change will be a good boost...
but considering that a 800mm ac use 3 cpu to fire it's really quite silly to complain about that...
even with many NOS is quite difficult to keep another ship full depleted, nosses have a "refire rate" while the capacitator recharge every second, so yes when the nos hit the cap will go to 0, but in the next second the ship will recharge a bit...
i can't say that nosses atm have 0 influence on AC, but nothing more than to press a button or 2 when (eventually) they will be put offline.
also is not that AC are so uber weapons... they have very bad tracking, low dps and low burst damage....
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Cilppiz
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Posted - 2006.05.21 21:27:00 -
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Somehow I get the feeling that point of this whole topic is that Nosferatu fitted Dominix wont be same pwnmobile againts Matari ships it used to be? 
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.21 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: General Apocalypse
NO CAPACITOR NEED FOR PROJECTILE TURRESTS ?
Now that's overpowered. Why ? Because Minmatar will become IMUNE to nos and neutralize . I just whnadar if they use no capacitor. How are the guns pointed to the target ? By hand ?
I hope we can block this monster before it's going to be unleashed on TQ . Pls. post your opinions .
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missiles also dont use any cap.
go figure
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Flash Landsraad
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Posted - 2006.05.21 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Calisto Lockhart
"Minmatar and how do their guns track a target"
crows nest?
Yaaarrrr 
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Olirtad Fiven
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Posted - 2006.05.21 21:59:00 -
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why is this thread still on first page?!
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Wicaeed
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Posted - 2006.05.21 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Locke Ateid
Try using projectile weapons before you start complaining how overpowered they'll be. Right now, they suck compared to lasers and hybrids when DPS comes to play. At this present moment, they need every advantage they can get.
And don't get me started with how bad TomB 'over-nerf' their tracking back in Castor...
 I'll remember this next time a Tempest two volleys my Prophecy into structure, or one volleys my Hulks shields with 80% resist all around.
If Mimmitar want DPS, then every other race gets an alpha strike battle ship.
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Akip
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Posted - 2006.05.21 22:21:00 -
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I run out my cap few times in my Sleipnir and my guns stopped (I was not nossed).
7x 220mm t2 ACs uses 1 cap every 1.39 seconds
that's a lot cap/second (5.03 cap /sec) it is like running 10mn t2 AB all the time
I don't see a point that projectiles should use cap for firing? does M16 or AK47 need cap? ;)
I'm happy with 0 cap for proj. guns
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.05.21 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Wicaeed
Originally by: Locke Ateid
Try using projectile weapons before you start complaining how overpowered they'll be. Right now, they suck compared to lasers and hybrids when DPS comes to play. At this present moment, they need every advantage they can get.
And don't get me started with how bad TomB 'over-nerf' their tracking back in Castor...
I'll remember this next time a Tempest two volleys my Prophecy into structure, or one volleys my Hulks shields with 80% resist all around.
If Mimmitar want DPS, then every other race gets an alpha strike battle ship.
this can be true for a tempest using 1400mm and t2 ammo, but is not the case discussed here... i don't think that the tempest was in close/nosfy range
for a snipest a nosferatu is probably the last thing to worry, first because it generally sits at 100-200 km (and nosfy range is 20-30)
second because such config have gnerally poor tanking and if an enemy bs get near they will have way more troubles from normal guns than from nosfy :P
this supposed boost influence mostly the autocannons as is the short range weapons... and if you look at autocannons you will see they have not a big alpha strike as arty
in comparsion with hybrid we can see that AC lack both in burst/alpha strike (if i remember right hybrid do around x2 dmg/shot), lower DPS and lower traking
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