There's loads of stuff that 'jack of all trades' is great for if done right, look at the stratios. Especially now we have mobile depots for refitting. T3's better subsystems will need a little nerf of course, but if they could re-fit on the fly like a carrier they would see plenty more uses. They would go from being basically HACs to allowing some of the different playstyles fozzie was talking about.

Imagine a squad of cloaky nullified tengus that could refit on the fly depending on the situation. They would never be as good at any role as a dedicated T2 variant but they could adapt to any battlefield scenario making versatility a credible choice.

Here's what I project will happen:

-Defensive subs, excepting the adaptives, will get their resists knocked down to force recon level. 10% rep bonuses will get knocked down to 7.5%, if nerfs aren't too hard, they might get something nice added like cap usage bonuses for reps.

-Offensive subs will get nerfed slightly; you'll see 7.5% bonuses get knocked down to 5%. Higher damage modifiers might be used to compensate, specifically on the Tengu. Loki will get its split weapons system either changed to a straight missile one with an explosive damage equivalent of the Tengu, or keep the split but have more gun and missile slots to balance better. Legion will likely get a range bonus added for its missiles, and keep the current lackluster missile dps.

-Electronic mods will be interesting. It is entirely likely that they will swap the cloak subsystem from offensive over to electronic, namely rolling it into the locus analyzer sub. Short of this, they will either move around or change the cloaky offensive sub, i.e. amarr and gallente getting their cloak sub getting moved over to drones, and improve the original subs with tracking speed and/or firing rate bonuses. I can see certain subs like the dissolution sequencer and locus analyzer subs along with the ewar ones getting a heavy nerf. Legion neuts will likely see a decent buff.

-Propulsion subs will likely get a slight buff. Subs that increase ab speed will see a decent increase, and mwd subs that help with sig and cap will also see a buff. Grav capacitor rigs might be changed somewhat into focusing a little more on travel time, and nullifiers will stay the same.

-Engineering subs will either be left alone apart from slight numerical tweaks, or have their secondary combat effects removed.


These changes will result in the ships generally having less power than equivalent t2 hacs for their offensive and defensive purposes, less ewar usability than recon, but will perform in a wider capacity than either of them ever possibly could. They just won't have stupidly large tanks

T3 rebalance nerf in 3...2...1GǪ

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if thousands of Legion and Proteus pilots suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something wonderful has happened."

Not sure you'll find thousands of Legion pilots.

Not sure you'll find thousands of Legion pilots.

We all know the main 6-5 subsystems need toning down a touch. I think T3's power should be the ability to be reactionary. With T2 you pick the best ship for the job. If T3's lost slots being tied to subsystems, and could switch them on the fly without depots (With some penalty - emptying capacitor and shutting down engines so it couldn't be used mid engagement) being a swiss army knife starts to work.

proteus and legions are like premier station game ships.

Yeah, it's going to totally break my heart not seeing those particular flashing yellows at the trade hubs anymoreGǪ

Thank god, finally. Here is to hoping the Legion covert subsystem gets an at least small damage bonus. (I have several PVP-fittings I want to try, but I can either get anemic damage or a paper-thin tank with slightly less anemic damage on my cloaky Legion. That's no fun.)

What will they replace them with Nestors? lol.

watching the stream, I believe he said repeatedly and clearly not to worry they were NOT going to be nerfed.

Why should it not? As long as Recons are absolutely unusable in fights, T3 are the only choice you have.

Exactly how are recons useless? Yeah they cant tank as well as a T3 or a HAC but they arnt meant to. They arnt meant to do tons of DPS either. If you think its useless its because your ignorant and dont understand how to use it.

They don't need to do DPS at all, they just need to able to not get alpha'd off the field. If they get alpha'd off the field or are worn down very quickly by sustained DPS, they are useless when T3 can do the same job for the same price, but tank and actually benefit the fleet.

We all know that the T3's are about to be nerfed in oblivion. I have a Loki and Proteus, both of which I have loved flying. Both ships will have no use whatsoever after fozzie is done "loving them".

High sec missions and incursions will be obliterated next (just like high sec / low sec industry just was), so the majority of the player base won't have an opportunity to use them anyway.

Yeah, you still want the recon to be better at the role it is for. What good is a fleet recon when a T3 has just as good ewar and a better tank?

The curse should remain a better neuter than the legion, perhaps with better range. The Legion should be able to make up for the loss of neut range with greater manoeuvrability and a couple of sentry drones, for example.

If you just want stuff neuted, you pick the recon every time.

CCP needs to get their **** in order and do all the T2 and maybe a few cap/super before touching those.
Not to mention that more than half of the weapon systems are not used and most of those previously "rebalanced" ships. ^^

there has been so many T3 threads in the last few tears .. i can't imagine there is anything new too say here really...
some main points that need to be addressed by CCP are..

- rigs - either remove them from T3's completely or make them removable ...
- T2 resists - these need too go T3's aren't T2 and should be treated as such
- stats of ships - trying too figure out stats/layout/fitting etc is very complex being in the subs and should be moved to the hull
- SP loss - needs to be removed it doesn't balance anything and is silly mechanic much like drone assist is..
-price- T3 hull is ok on price but the subs are quite expensive and allowing rigs also just adds to the cost 300mil plus fully fitted
- versatility - is hampered by rigs and expensive subs and sub combinations aren't great..
- skill requirements - cruiser lv5 is counter intuitive to versatility over specialty .. especially as there is no bonus from it..
- add a 6th sub - too improve versatility the allocation of subs needs too be better and more options would help..