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Amous	Posted - 2006.05.21 20:50:00 - [1] Please....Please Got over 25k RP in Caldari Starship Eng. I know this is a popular field...I knwo about the stats etc...but come on. 25k is nearly 2 years of r n d. Someone I know who has research in the same field has only 8k and just got a Nighthawk BPO. When is it my turn? Anything I can do to increase my chances other than do a research mission once per day? Ta A
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2006.05.21 20:52:00 - [2] The less RP you have the better your chances I hear. The T2 lottery makes everyone sick at heart. PS. 25k isn't that much at all, I have about 600k and thats not much at all eighter. Nobody wins in the T2 bpo lottery, everybody loses, except for those wonderful people who win at 6-8k RP and sell it to the cartels.
Tharrn	Posted - 2006.05.21 20:54:00 - [3] Don't get your hopes up before you hit 50k. More likely 100k :P Now recruiting!
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.05.21 20:54:00 - [4] 25k is not two years of proper R&D. There are people with hundreds of thousands of RP and no BPO. And you just happened to pick the most commonly researched field. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
George Hurst	Posted - 2006.05.21 20:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Amous Please....Please Got over 25k RP in Caldari Starship Eng. I know this is a popular field...I knwo about the stats etc...but come on. 25k is nearly 2 years of r n d. Someone I know who has research in the same field has only 8k and just got a Nighthawk BPO. When is it my turn? Anything I can do to increase my chances other than do a research mission once per day? Ta A You gotta be kidding I have 6 agents in the same field all with over 200k rp's.
Amous	Posted - 2006.05.21 21:03:00 - [6] So do I have to grind the agent missions to increase my chances? I must admit the missions suck a** and I can't be bothered most of the time but if thats what I have to do... I'm not talking about from fiffrent agents...this is just one agent that I have in Caldari SE 25k + with JUST him.
Lustralis	Posted - 2006.05.21 21:07:00 - [7] Can I just point out that it isn't just the number of RPs that count. It is also: (1) The total RP dealt out for that field (no. of others researching it). (2) Availability of BPO's to give out. Ergo I, researching a not very popular area, have managed to bag 3 BPO's so far, with no more than 20k RP. They might not be worth the most, but I would rather work to get something than wait for eternity hoping to bag a Tech II BS BPO (or whatever).
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.05.21 21:32:00 - [8] 380k in gallente starship engineering. 80k in plasma physics. nothing yet :P "We brake for nobody"
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.05.21 21:37:00 - [9] 80k in Gallente Starship several thousand each in mechanical engineering and Quantum Physics. with I'm not sure how much, but probably 10k-ish, recently got a Rage Torp BPO, (Plasma Physics) then restarted research on that agent... but I'm thinkin maybe I should have put it into Quantum physics instead..... meh. I could really use a T2 barge BPO though, ;) ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
dagdda	Posted - 2006.05.21 22:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Gamer4liff The less RP you have the better your chances I hear. The T2 lottery makes everyone sick at heart. PS. 25k isn't that much at all, I have about 600k and thats not much at all eighter. Nobody wins in the T2 bpo lottery, everybody loses, except for those wonderful people who win at 6-8k RP and sell it to the cartels. Which is what I did. Now I have Hulk and am looking for a Obelisk around 875 million. (all I have left from my T sell )
Maggot	Posted - 2006.05.21 22:38:00 - [11] If you run starship eng then expect to NEVER get a BPO. The chances of success are miniscule.
Plutoinum	Posted - 2006.05.21 23:11:00 - [12] Edited by: Plutoinum on 21/05/2006 23:13:32 Originally by: Gamer4liff The less RP you have the better your chances I hear. Might be true. I began with R&D in march or so with 2 chars. Both ex-kill mission runners. I was just too lazy to care about r&d before. Then I thought, I want a t2 BPO too, trained my social skills up a bit and had enough standings for a lvl.3 r&d agent. It was a good idea. Got a barrage M bpo for 6600 RP.
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.05.22 05:30:00 - [13] my alt got 200 RP before he got anything Yes Note the 200 :) _________________________________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs
Crumplecorn	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:06:00 - [14] You have gotten involved in the broken research system, and therefore you have lost. Thank you for playing. ---------- Sorry but that link contains nawty language. -wystler "Discussing moderation is not allowed" - Ivan K "Ranting is prohibited" - Teblin
Jorak Falconstar	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:25:00 - [15] Well i got an ammo BPO from the rocket science field a week or so ago with about 10k lp. all seems fine to me. --------------------- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried to slam a revolving door.
Rafein	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Amous Please....Please Got over 25k RP in Caldari Starship Eng. I know this is a popular field...I knwo about the stats etc...but come on. 25k is nearly 2 years of r n d. When they come out with the tech 2 Caldari shuttle, that is 1.5 times as fast as the tech 1 shuttle, you'll win it
KingKenny	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:40:00 - [17] Lots of people are doing starship engineering, very few BPO's in relation to number of folks doing research. This year I have recieved 4 offers in other fields for the ammo BPO's taking from 12,000 RP's to 55,000 RP's, but I do have 15 agents over 3 characters working for me. A couple of mates recently got ammo BPO's for between 5,000 and 11,000 RP's. You must have a poor lvl/quality agent to gain only 25k RP's in two years, my starship engineering agent will get me 140,000 RP's in 2 years and more if I do missions. But it is a lottery and you got a chance, albeit a small chance. But you may not win a thing.
Akara Tanashian	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:44:00 - [18] Edited by: Akara Tanashian on 22/05/2006 08:44:07
Akara Tanashian	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:44:00 - [19] Starship engineering, especially Caldari is the most oversubscribed of the lot. That's mostly because ... almost any ship BPO is well worth having, where other fields you can end up with chaff. (Micro graviton smartbomb II anyone?) However, the other fields have a much higher probability of a drop.
Kayosoni	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Gamer4liff The less RP you have the better your chances I hear. AGREED ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Kayosoni Originally by: Gamer4liff The less RP you have the better your chances I hear. AGREED envy -- We are recruiting
Astarte Nosferatu	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:54:00 - [22] 26k RP, -13 quality lvl 2 agent, 1 year of waiting = Pilgrim BPO. Synergy Recruitment
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Kayosoni Originally by: Gamer4liff The less RP you have the better your chances I hear. AGREED /me goes to bed praying ... again,... for a hulk BPO ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Amous	Posted - 2006.05.22 09:29:00 - [24] I have a lvl 4 agent q can't remember I do only have the field Caldari Starship trained to 4 not 5..... I suppose I am asking do I have to be involved with the agent to get ANY chance of a drop or does it not matter and it will drop if hell freezes over and I get lucky? I have other areas of research with a number of RP too...BUT I would have thought the ammo research fields are THE most oversubscribed. Never had a drop there either...I'd say the lottery is broken..some people never seem to get a drop while others get multiple drops... I suppose I will always be sceptical until I get an offer though A
Kari Moltov	Posted - 2006.05.22 09:51:00 - [25] Please understand: There are so many people now in the game (it continues to grow) and many of them now realise the value of having R&D agents. As such many more players now work towards having R&D agents. This means that the number of research points in the game accross all R&D corporations and disciplines is much much higher now than in the past. This means that even if you have a huge number of individual points yourself it is still relatively small in the grand scheme of all the research points in the game. Additionally for every person who joins the R&D race by taking a new agent, or improving the rate of their RP generation, causes your relative percentage of the pool to fall. So for example, say 5k of RP's gives a chance of winning something at 0.03%, and someone with 200k of RP's would give 0.08%. That twice the chance realtively but absolutely it is still crap. As such you can improve your chances realtively to someone, but in absolute terms it is still very bad.
Amous	Posted - 2006.05.22 10:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Kari Moltov Please understand: There are so many people now in the game (it continues to grow) and many of them now realise the value of having R&D agents. As such many more players now work towards having R&D agents. This means that the number of research points in the game accross all R&D corporations and disciplines is much much higher now than in the past. This means that even if you have a huge number of individual points yourself it is still relatively small in the grand scheme of all the research points in the game. Additionally for every person who joins the R&D race by taking a new agent, or improving the rate of their RP generation, causes your relative percentage of the pool to fall. So for example, say 5k of RP's gives a chance of winning something at 0.03%, and someone with 200k of RP's would give 0.08%. That twice the chance realtively but absolutely it is still crap. As such you can improve your chances realtively to someone, but in absolute terms it is still very bad. Don't get me wrong. I DO understand...BUT and this is the thing how the hell do people get multiple drops and others get nothing? Yes it's a lottery but come on...there comes a point when if someone has won the lottery more than once you have to ask the question is everything working as it should? A
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2006.05.22 10:25:00 - [27] Originally by: Amous Please....Please Got over 25k RP in Caldari Starship Eng. I know this is a popular field...I knwo about the stats etc...but come on. 25k is nearly 2 years of r n d. Someone I know who has research in the same field has only 8k and just got a Nighthawk BPO. When is it my turn? Anything I can do to increase my chances other than do a research mission once per day? Ta A LoL, Ive got 200,000 in the same field, and never had 1 iota. So I think it should be me before you to be honest.
Rick Dentill	Posted - 2006.05.22 10:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Maggot If you run starship eng then expect to NEVER get a BPO. The chances of success are miniscule. Aye but someone has to get them _______ http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/page.php?id=dd
Rick Dentill	Posted - 2006.05.22 10:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Amous Originally by: Kari Moltov Please understand: There are so many people now in the game (it continues to grow) and many of them now realise the value of having R&D agents. As such many more players now work towards having R&D agents. This means that the number of research points in the game accross all R&D corporations and disciplines is much much higher now than in the past. This means that even if you have a huge number of individual points yourself it is still relatively small in the grand scheme of all the research points in the game. Additionally for every person who joins the R&D race by taking a new agent, or improving the rate of their RP generation, causes your relative percentage of the pool to fall. So for example, say 5k of RP's gives a chance of winning something at 0.03%, and someone with 200k of RP's would give 0.08%. That twice the chance realtively but absolutely it is still crap. As such you can improve your chances realtively to someone, but in absolute terms it is still very bad. Don't get me wrong. I DO understand...BUT and this is the thing how the hell do people get multiple drops and others get nothing? Yes it's a lottery but come on...there comes a point when if someone has won the lottery more than once you have to ask the question is everything working as it should? A I have never won anything in the National Lottery, but I know people who have won many times (not jackpot I admit) does that mean its broken too? _______ http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/page.php?id=dd
Plutoinum	Posted - 2006.05.22 10:28:00 - [30] Edited by: Plutoinum on 22/05/2006 10:31:48 Originally by: Amous Don't get me wrong. I DO understand...BUT and this is the thing how the hell do people get multiple drops and others get nothing? Yes it's a lottery but come on...there comes a point when if someone has won the lottery more than once you have to ask the question is everything working as it should? A Well, if you do caldari starship engineering, you have to compete with a lot of people with a lot of points. Most ship BPOs aren't in the lottery anymore anyway, so you've to compete with these people for the few new ships that came out (interdictor, force recon, combat recon. Anything else still in ?) You really need a lot of luck with 25k points. On the other hand the chances to win e.g. an ammunition BPO are a lot higher, because there are PROBABLY less people working in that fields and they give out more BPOs of each kind. But they are also only worth a fraction of a good BPO.

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