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homegrownhero
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.02 04:04:00 -
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Original link:
http://forums.themittani.com/index.php/topic/220-hed-gp-falls-again-capitals-supercapitals-really-annoying/
TL;DIDN'T FIT forum page:
Basically the idea is
A.) to put tonnage limits on cynos. So each cyno can only permit entry limited tonnage of ships, kinda like a wormhole. So if you want to drop **** loads of capitals you need to drop multiple cynos. Quick example: if each cyno can drop 50subcaps, it can only drop 10 caps, or 2 supercaps, or one titan.
B.) cynos are kill-able to deny bottleneck/limit access of caps dropping.
C.) TLDR, read up the rest there. But yeah those two ideas hit me the most.
Credits to the dude who wrote that up in link, not me.
So? What y'all think? Help promote this up and get CCP and New Eden readin' |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.05.02 04:08:00 -
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I have seen that idea, and while fairly interesting, doesn't do a whole lot to limit power projection, it just makes cyno logistics more of a pain in the ass.
And that hurts small groups more than large groups, so you have run into Malcanis' Law pretty much right out of the starting gate.
I also think that, for whatever reason, linking TMC is a good way to have your thread derailed by the regular forumites and eventually locked.
It's not anywhere near as bad as linking this, however, so you might be ok.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5113
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Posted - 2014.05.02 04:19:00 -
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Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources
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Posted - 2014.05.02 04:24:00 -
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Cynos already are killable.
All this will do is, in major drops, the first cyno will go up, a small fleet of cyno fit archons will jump, and they'll light cynos for everyone else.
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MissBehaving
Meat 2 Veg
League 0f Grumpy 0ld Farts
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Posted - 2014.05.02 04:31:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Cynos already are killable.
All this will do is, in major drops, the first cyno will go up, a small fleet of cyno fit archons will jump, and they'll light cynos for everyone else.
But having billions of isk in cyno ships commited for 10 minutes seems like a fair trade off for the projection. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
200
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Posted - 2014.05.02 05:00:00 -
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Well, no guys. Think about it a bit harder.
This idea is actually pretty awesome. Cyno's being deployable structures opens up a whole new game. You no longer need to sacrifice a ship to be the dedicated beacon, and capping the amount of mass a single cyno can move does hinder the "Splerg all the caps" issues. *notice I said hinder*
Sure, all a big alliance would have to do is train more alts and bring them over to blob the hell out of a system, but it still puts a damper on the tactic by not being able to bring in a super with a cyno fit and sit there like "Try and stop the blob now".
I think that having different kinds of cynos would be a great idea too. However, I would make it so that the amount of mass a cyno can bring in is directly inverse to the HP of the structure. I'm not too sure what a good number to set the cap would be, but I'd say 2 titan's worth should be plenty for the biggest cyno.
The anchoring timer and onlining timer makes a very good point as well. You, as a defender, know that back up is coming, and you can make the call to bring your own or gtfo, or as an attacker, know that you have to hold your ground and keep the beacon alive until it onlines.
Since I also support the removal of jump fuel, I would say cyno fuel needs to go too. I would make the structure explode or self destruct once it finishes it's activation
This is as nice as I get.
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
243
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Posted - 2014.05.02 05:52:00 -
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Also only one deployable cyno per system with a 15min timer so that you have to establish a beach head before you can bring more stuff through also mass limit sounds good.
Also to give an incentive to defend the cyno it should have very low EHP like 5000 ?
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E Thatcher
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.02 05:56:00 -
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This is great finally goon space would be protected |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2225
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Posted - 2014.05.02 06:48:00 -
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MissBehaving wrote:Kristalll wrote:Cynos already are killable.
All this will do is, in major drops, the first cyno will go up, a small fleet of cyno fit archons will jump, and they'll light cynos for everyone else. But having billions of isk in cyno ships commited for 10 minutes seems like a fair trade off for the projection.
Balancing by cost never works, see supercaps for example.
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leich
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
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Posted - 2014.05.02 06:58:00 -
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CYNO phoenix best phoenix.
nuff said |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague
Fidelas Constans
82
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:01:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:Well, no guys. Think about it a bit harder.
This would literally stop any and all future deployments into hostile space as you couldn't squeeze out more than 2 titans at once, making short work of them when defenders are sitting in dozens or even hundreds of supercaps on the field. |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:02:00 -
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Anchoring timer would be nice. Doesn't even have to be extremely long, just long enough that you have time to either kill it or gtfo if it's just one unsupported ship.
Maybe leave the old mechanics for covert cynos.
Adrie Atticus wrote:Erufen Rito wrote:Well, no guys. Think about it a bit harder. This would literally stop any and all future deployments into hostile space as you couldn't squeeze out more than 2 titans at once, making short work of them when defenders are sitting in dozens or even hundreds of supercaps on the field.
uhm.... you could maybe start using actual tactics instead of "olololo! my cap fleet is bigger than yours!" ? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1317
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:37:00 -
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Or just don't cyno onto grid. You can cyno elsewhere in the system. But as Kaarous said, this hurts small groups more in a direct application of Malcanis' law. And only minorly inconveniences CFC making them stronger relatively, not weaker. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
953
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:46:00 -
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Came expecting seeing something interesting regarding capacitor warfare...
... left disappointed.
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Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1444
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:47:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:Well, no guys. Think about it a bit harder.
well, yes. Malcanis' Law.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3137
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:50:00 -
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i don't know anything about caps so i'm not going to comment on power projection etc
but i'd prefer a using a disposable mobile structure cyno to stupid disposable cyno ships |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4022
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Posted - 2014.05.02 11:01:00 -
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3113
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Posted - 2014.05.02 11:04:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:I wish I had a law named after me :(
How about Warbird's Law: Whenever someone gets something named after themselves at least one other person wishes they had something named after themselves, too.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4022
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Posted - 2014.05.02 11:20:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:I wish I had a law named after me :( How about Warbird's Law: Whenever someone gets something named after themselves at least one other person wishes they had something named after themselves, too.
Thanks, you made my day. |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1444
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Posted - 2014.05.02 13:42:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:I wish I had a law named after me :( How about Warbird's Law: Whenever someone gets something named after themselves at least one other person wishes they had something named after themselves, too.
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.05.02 15:46:00 -
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Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.
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Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:00:00 -
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To be honest, i think the major point to balance power projecting is time not the amount of ships.
Imagine, ships with small mass bridge faster then heavy ships, but everyone has to activate bridge at the same time, so frigs, destis and cruiser would be deployed way before BC,BS or even other Capitals.
Sure it would harm smaller entities bit more due the fact you need 2 bridge for more offensive projection but overall it would decrease the overall deployment speed to a more "realistic" and reasonable factor.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
Order of the Exalted
513
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:33:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:I wish I had a law named after me :( How about Warbird's Law: Whenever someone gets something named after themselves at least one other person wishes they had something named after themselves, too.
Nope, you coined that, can't give it to him. I'm going to have to keep Abrazzar's Law in mind now.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1055
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:53:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:I wish I had a law named after me :( How about Warbird's Law: Whenever someone gets something named after themselves at least one other person wishes they had something named after themselves, too.
Best suggestion in the entire thread. |
Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
39
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:54:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I have seen that idea, and while fairly interesting, doesn't do a whole lot to limit power projection, it just makes cyno logistics more of a pain in the ass. And that hurts small groups more than large groups, so you have run into Malcanis' Law pretty much right out of the starting gate. I also think that, for whatever reason, linking TMC is a good way to have your thread derailed by the regular forumites and eventually locked. It's not anywhere near as bad as linking this, however, so you might be ok.
if you mean jumpin 30x Jump freighters is small group logistic you are sooo wrong xd
if you drop any thing more than proposed you are not small any more, would be cool. just reduce cyno cycle time and it's all cool |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1055
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:59:00 -
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Now for the stupid newb question.
How long does a cyno need to stay up to be jumped/bridged to? Could't you just bypass the "cap" by bridging a bunch of cyno fit Ibis who all light up as soon as they land to make the real fleet jump to all those cynos?
Maybe you need more topes? |
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