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Smalltimer
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.04 12:41:00 -
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As the title says, I really like the look of the Amarr T3 cruiser but the ship lacks luster in so many ways. And so I was wondering if CCP had any plans to look over the ships attributes in the near future or would I be better off training for another T3 cruiser instead? |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility
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Posted - 2014.05.04 12:48:00 -
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CCP has stated that balancing all T3 Cruisers is on their agenda for the very near future, and that all subsystems will be balanced and made viable, be that by nerfing some combinations and buffing others. I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1952
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Posted - 2014.05.04 12:48:00 -
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"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Smalltimer
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:00:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:CCP has stated that balancing all T3 Cruisers is on their agenda for the very near future, and that all subsystems will be balanced and made viable, be that by nerfing some combinations and buffing others.
Sounds good! Guess I'll keep training then... :) |
Darvanile
Offline.
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:03:00 -
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What is it your trying to do with the legion? It is a heavily relied upon ship for incursions, and also makes an insane HaM baiter. You also see them quite often in WH space as mini bhaalgorns. There are other t3s that need buffs long before the legion hull is looked at. |
Inkarr Hashur
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
503
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:06:00 -
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Darvanile wrote:What is it your trying to do with the legion? It is a heavily relied upon ship for incursions, and also makes an insane HaM baiter. You also see them quite often in WH space as mini bhaalgorns. There are other t3s that need buffs long before the legion hull is looked at. That's quite a limited set of uses |
Arronicus
Ravens' Nest Outlaw Horizon.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:55:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:Darvanile wrote:What is it your trying to do with the legion? It is a heavily relied upon ship for incursions, and also makes an insane HaM baiter. You also see them quite often in WH space as mini bhaalgorns. There are other t3s that need buffs long before the legion hull is looked at. That's quite a limited set of uses
They have a much broader variety of uses than any non t3, but aren't quite up to par on say, cloaky ganging like the proteus, or exploration sites like the tengu, no. Certainly not a limited set of uses. |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:38:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:Darvanile wrote:What is it your trying to do with the legion? It is a heavily relied upon ship for incursions, and also makes an insane HaM baiter. You also see them quite often in WH space as mini bhaalgorns. There are other t3s that need buffs long before the legion hull is looked at. That's quite a limited set of uses
There is 5 configs i find prety useful
Heavy nueting ahac for wh where mass matters(Mini Bhaal)
Covert Nueting(Nuking carrier ratters with hot drops)
Ham Fit
Heavy ahac fit.
Fleet armor booster.
Now its not as multi-purpose as the tengu or proteus but it fills its niche pretty well. Realistically the loki has less uses. |
RcTamiya Leontis
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:43:00 -
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xPredat0rz wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Darvanile wrote:What is it your trying to do with the legion? It is a heavily relied upon ship for incursions, and also makes an insane HaM baiter. You also see them quite often in WH space as mini bhaalgorns. There are other t3s that need buffs long before the legion hull is looked at. That's quite a limited set of uses There is 5 configs i find prety useful Heavy nueting ahac for wh where mass matters(Mini Bhaal) Covert Nueting(Nuking carrier ratters with hot drops) Ham Fit Heavy ahac fit. Fleet armor booster. Now its not as multi-purpose as the tengu or proteus but it fills its niche pretty well. Realistically the loki has less uses.
you forgot hotdrop logi fit, which is something DAMN useful underrated thing for altchars ;)
also you didn't mention the laserfits for a legion, which is also viable ( zealot 2.0)
you didn't mention hybrids of those above, who may become viable in smallscale
That beeing said, the Legion & Loki are the 2 most viable T3s out there, while in theory the proteus has better dps, the legion shines with better application & projection and equal tank (nowdays its easy to counter most proteus fanatics with kin + therm resistacking (refitting on caps ftw)....) |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:08:00 -
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RcTamiya Leontis wrote:xPredat0rz wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Darvanile wrote:What is it your trying to do with the legion? It is a heavily relied upon ship for incursions, and also makes an insane HaM baiter. You also see them quite often in WH space as mini bhaalgorns. There are other t3s that need buffs long before the legion hull is looked at. That's quite a limited set of uses There is 5 configs i find prety useful Heavy nueting ahac for wh where mass matters(Mini Bhaal) Covert Nueting(Nuking carrier ratters with hot drops) Ham Fit Heavy ahac fit. Fleet armor booster. Now its not as multi-purpose as the tengu or proteus but it fills its niche pretty well. Realistically the loki has less uses. you forgot hotdrop logi fit, which is something DAMN useful underrated thing for altchars ;) also you didn't mention the laserfits for a legion, which is also viable ( zealot 2.0) you didn't mention hybrids of those above, who may become viable in smallscale That beeing said, the Legion & Loki are the 2 most viable T3s out there, while in theory the proteus has better dps, the legion shines with better application & projection and equal tank (nowdays its easy to counter most proteus fanatics with kin + therm resistacking (refitting on caps ftw)....)
Zealot 2.0 is the heavy ahac flt.=p |
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
968
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:21:00 -
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Not sure what's so bad with the legion.
It's the mainstay ship in alot of incursion groups and is the workhorse of alot of notable WH groups
I personally fly a beam legion over every other t3 available for WH fleet PvP Nothing to see here.... Move along
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RcTamiya Leontis
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:46:00 -
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xPredat0rz wrote:RcTamiya Leontis wrote:xPredat0rz wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Darvanile wrote:What is it your trying to do with the legion? It is a heavily relied upon ship for incursions, and also makes an insane HaM baiter. You also see them quite often in WH space as mini bhaalgorns. There are other t3s that need buffs long before the legion hull is looked at. That's quite a limited set of uses There is 5 configs i find prety useful Heavy nueting ahac for wh where mass matters(Mini Bhaal) Covert Nueting(Nuking carrier ratters with hot drops) Ham Fit Heavy ahac fit. Fleet armor booster. Now its not as multi-purpose as the tengu or proteus but it fills its niche pretty well. Realistically the loki has less uses. you forgot hotdrop logi fit, which is something DAMN useful underrated thing for altchars ;) also you didn't mention the laserfits for a legion, which is also viable ( zealot 2.0) you didn't mention hybrids of those above, who may become viable in smallscale That beeing said, the Legion & Loki are the 2 most viable T3s out there, while in theory the proteus has better dps, the legion shines with better application & projection and equal tank (nowdays its easy to counter most proteus fanatics with kin + therm resistacking (refitting on caps ftw)....) Zealot 2.0 is the heavy ahac flt.=p
Derp of the day done \o/ time to look for pew pew :P sorry for that then :D |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
715
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:36:00 -
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My impression of theCCP comments about the proposed T3 balance is they want them to be better than T1 and to be versatile but INFERIOR to a T2 in any one specialized area because current T3s are making some T2s useless.
A lot of people are interpreting that as a nerf but we will have to wait and see. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:34:00 -
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To be honest, the only nerf I'm really expecting is a nerf to Tengu EHP and maybe a nerf to active reps for all T3s. Other than that, I think it's just a case of giving them more flavour with subs. Oh god. |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:36:00 -
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Can't see active rep getting that much of a nerf tbh. Tengu/Prot/Legion will likely all lose their 10% armour/shield hitpoint subsystems to a lower bonus imo. But on the whole, T3s aren't really that badly balanced with some of the other buffs throughout the game recently. If Recons get a bit more cap/ehp T3s really will struggle to be the best at a fair few areas when compared to HACs, Recons, Faction Cruisers and Command ships. |
bubble trout
Rolled Out
225
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:28:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:Not sure what's so bad with the legion.
It's the mainstay ship in alot of incursion groups and is the workhorse of alot of notable WH groups
I personally fly a beam legion over every other t3 available for WH fleet PvP
That is cause you are a baddie. Salvage legion, best legion.
Really though, nuet legion best legion. |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:31:00 -
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I would expect t3's to be rebalanced in a point release sometime before December. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Chessur
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
332
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:51:00 -
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I spoke with Rize / Fozie about this personally at fanfest 2014 this year.
Rize feels that T3 generally have too much EHP at the moment, and are up for a large rebalance that is hopefully going to make more sub systems viable to be used, while also toning down some of the 'most used' T3 setus to be more in line with other ships.
So no, don't expect a buff |
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:56:00 -
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HAM Tengu is better than HAM Legion ABHAC Proteus is better than ABHAC Legion
Only PVP use where Legion is best T3 is as a neut boat. It might or might not be cloaked.
All T3's will be rebalanced in the future. Biggest Legion disadvantage is being mid slot heavy and low slot light compared to Proteus or T2 armor tankers. (which is exactly why it's a worse ABHAC) |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.09 05:49:00 -
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Is the problem with the legion related to the ship itself or to the medium lasers ? Seems like everyone uses it either as HAM, Neut (cloaky or mini bhaal) or the ocasional Covert Logi.
Not much love for the 6 rainbow lazor setup. Would a smallish drone bay fix that ? if not, what kind of bonus do you think it need ?
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xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.05.09 06:58:00 -
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Odithia wrote:Is the problem with the legion related to the ship itself or to the medium lasers ? Seems like everyone uses it either as HAM, Neut (cloaky or mini bhaal) or the ocasional Covert Logi.
Not much love for the 6 rainbow lazor setup. Would a smallish drone bay fix that ? if not, what kind of bonus do you think it need ?
I wouldnt mind a 15-20(4 Lights) drone bay. I dont see it happening eiher way though |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
594
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Posted - 2014.05.13 05:34:00 -
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Darvanile wrote: There are other t3s that need buffs long before the legion hull is looked at. Like what needs to be looked at more? The only T3 I keep seeing in incursion fleets is the Loki. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
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Posted - 2014.05.13 06:24:00 -
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How to fix the Legion:
Take all the subsystems that add more then one midslot. Replace one of the mids with a lowslot. Done.
Explanation: Legion is an armor tanked, (mostly)turret-oriented weapon platform with no backup weapons (ie drones). It's damage bonuses are mediocre - this is normal for lasers and not what I'm complaining about. It needs slots for tank, DPS, and tracking on any combat fit. And yet, in many of it's subsystem configs, it has more mid slots then it has lows. I've actually made shield tanked Legions because of this, and had them perform better then their armor counterparts. Legion is good at two things: a HAM brawler and cap warfare. It barely beats Tech 2 cruisers in other roles, and with the Stratios available it's position as an Amarr combat explorer is also inferior to the cheaper standard-hull alternative. It makes no sense that an Amarr ship with Amarr bonuses gets a Caldari slot layout. Just give it the slots to do what the Amarr do and everything will be happy.
Also make the covert subsystem not suck. Seriously, that things embarrassing. So is the drone projector. - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there? |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2014.05.13 06:39:00 -
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Laser hac Legion is epic. Great damage protection and better than a proteus in many positions. Covert and drone subsystems are awful though. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.05.13 07:49:00 -
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Ines Tegator wrote:How to fix the Legion: Take all the subsystems that add more then one midslot. Replace one of the mids with a lowslot. Done. Absolutely not.
Oh god. |
Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.05.13 11:05:00 -
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Right now the Legion only works in a pulse fit for incursions, a HAM fit for small time PVP, link fit and some doctrines. What the Legion needs the most is a dronebay for its laser sub and the drone sub being unfucked. If that happens (and I'm sure it will) then the ship will be a whole lot better. |
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