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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
300
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:21:00 -
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Now that T2BPO's are getting removed, ending a blight that has rotted EVE ever since the introduction I'd like to use this forum post to insure that CCP does not make the same mistake twice by overcompensating T2BPO holders and thus simply exacerbating the problem.
The value of a T2BPO is fixed in the amount of research points that they were first converted for. Any reimbursement should take place in that amount of research points for that set value. To give any more or less would invalidate the sandbox. Any value prescribed beyond research points in the form of real life dollars or ISK was purely player speculation and gambling, in short they deserve to lose.
If anyone is interested in T2BPO's or needs reminding why they need removed ASAP you can read about them in the below link,
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93154 |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Fidelas Constans
544
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:24:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:ending a blight that has rotted EVE ever since the introduction
I stopped reading here.
because I have no idea what you are talking about. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3205
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:24:00 -
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All T2 BPOs should be converted into a collectible commodity. Any other compensation I'll leave up for debate.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
300
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:26:00 -
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I posted in the morning when the world was begun
I posted from the Moons and the stars and the Suns
I came down from Heaven and I danced on the Earth
At Caldari Institute 5 moon 3 I had my birth:
I posted for the bitter vets and the Devs of CCP
But they would not post back and they wouldn't follow me
I posted for the noobs and for the good Kugu
They came with me and the thread went on:
Post, post, wherever you may be
I am the lord of the T2BPO whine thread, said he
And I lead you all, wherever you may be
And I lead you all in the thread, said he
I posted on a Friday when the world turned black
It's hard to find time to post with invention on your back
They buried my thread, they thought it was gone
But this thread will never ever die and so the posts go on!
They cut me down and I leapt up high
I am the life that will never, never die
I'll whine with you if you'll whine with me
I am the Lord of the T2BPO whine thread.
End T2BPO it was unfair then it's unfair now and detrimental to the game. |
Trader Mistress
United Capital Blueprints
57
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:27:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Now that T2BPO's are getting removed, ending a blight that has rotted EVE ever since the introduction I'd like to use this forum post to insure that CCP does not make the same mistake twice by overcompensating T2BPO holders and thus simply exacerbating the problem. The value of a T2BPO is fixed in the amount of research points that they were first converted for. Any reimbursement should take place in that amount of research points for that set value. To give any more or less would invalidate the sandbox. Any value prescribed beyond research points in the form of real life dollars or ISK was purely player speculation and gambling, in short they deserve to lose. If anyone is interested in T2BPO's or needs reminding why they need removed ASAP you can read about them in the below link, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93154
They are not getting removed, its just the goon rumour mill trying to exploit cheap Tech II bpo's.
Please link your evidence, rather than a locked thread.
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
300
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:27:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:All T2 BPOs should be converted into a collectible commodity. Any other compensation I'll leave up for debate.
Nope T2BPO's cost research points and they will be traded back out of the game for a sweet handful of research points :) You paid 150bn isk for a handful of research points then good for you, at least you never paid real life dollars because that's against the rules and all :) LMFAO! |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
115
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:30:00 -
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Trader Mistress wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Now that T2BPO's are getting removed, ending a blight that has rotted EVE ever since the introduction I'd like to use this forum post to insure that CCP does not make the same mistake twice by overcompensating T2BPO holders and thus simply exacerbating the problem. The value of a T2BPO is fixed in the amount of research points that they were first converted for. Any reimbursement should take place in that amount of research points for that set value. To give any more or less would invalidate the sandbox. Any value prescribed beyond research points in the form of real life dollars or ISK was purely player speculation and gambling, in short they deserve to lose. If anyone is interested in T2BPO's or needs reminding why they need removed ASAP you can read about them in the below link, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93154 They are not getting removed, its just the goon rumour mill trying to exploit cheap Tech II bpo's. Please link your evidence, rather than a locked thread.
See CCP Greyscales comment re T2 BPO's at the Industry on talk on Saturday I think. Expect them to eliminated on the winter 2014 expansion along with changes to Invention. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5290
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:30:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Abrazzar wrote:All T2 BPOs should be converted into a collectible commodity. Any other compensation I'll leave up for debate. Nope T2BPO's cost research points and they will be traded back out of the game for a sweet handful of research points :) You paid 150bn isk for a handful of research points then good for you, at least you never paid real life dollars because that's against the rules and all :) LMFAO!
Well, except for the part you missed where this isn't happening.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
300
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:31:00 -
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Trader Mistress wrote:
They are not getting removed, its just the goon rumour mill trying to exploit cheap Tech II bpo's.
Please link your evidence, rather than a locked thread.
So industry is getting left broken, then what's the point in these new expansions going to fix it? Goon rumour or not CCP should HTFU and plain remove them or just leave industry the broken pile of **** it is.
Any fixes to EVE industry that don't involve the removal of T2BPO's is akin to polishing a turd.
But hey you are right that does sound like something CCP would do so everyone chill its just a Goon plot, EVE is going to remain as bias and **** as it ever has been so don't cry. :) |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:33:00 -
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One free account forever per T2 BPO.
Or
An isk stipend every month from the 'society for the preservation of early blueprint margin note art' equivalent to what the profit would be each month had it been used to produce pre-removal. No more effect on inventors and the owners keep their isk printing machines, everybody wins! |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1758
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:33:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:All T2 BPOs should be converted into a collectible commodity. Any other compensation I'll leave up for debate.
1 Fedo each, take it or leave it. 
"HTFU ! " -á--- -áKatee Sackhoff, aka "The F-Bomb Queen of EVE" ! !-á
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1110
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:34:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Now that T2BPO's are getting removed, ending a blight that has rotted EVE ever since the introduction I'd like to use this forum post to insure that CCP does not make the same mistake twice by overcompensating T2BPO holders and thus simply exacerbating the problem. The value of a T2BPO is fixed in the amount of research points that they were first converted for. Any reimbursement should take place in that amount of research points for that set value. To give any more or less would invalidate the sandbox. Any value prescribed beyond research points in the form of real life dollars or ISK was purely player speculation and gambling, in short they deserve to lose. If anyone is interested in T2BPO's or needs reminding why they need removed ASAP you can read about them in the below link, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93154
Nice way to promote your other threads bro. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
300
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:41:00 -
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Its the thread that will never die till T2BPO's are removed and the sandbox restored, also industry fix or something. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:42:00 -
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CCP will turn them to collectible items and/or remove all advantage from them, so they're worse compared to invention in all ways. You could still use them for production, but not compete against invention in any area. It'll be extremely unlikely any compensation happening will match the inflated value they are currently traded for. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3206
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:46:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Abrazzar wrote:All T2 BPOs should be converted into a collectible commodity. Any other compensation I'll leave up for debate. 1 Fedo each, take it or leave it.
Bad news!
Your precious T2 BPO got eaten by a Fedo. 
But fear not!
You now have a faithful pet. 
Rock on! 
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
300
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:48:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:CCP will turn them to collectible items and/or remove all advantage from them, so they're worse compared to invention in all ways. You could still use them for production, but not compete against invention in any area. It'll be extremely unlikely any compensation happening will match the inflated value they are currently traded for.
Well CCP devs have made massive mistakes in the past well just look at T2BPO's in the first place so its worth pointing out that any reimbursement beyond the value of the research points will cause further outrage and diminish EVE on-line further.
TBH, I have faith CCP will just do a blunt research point transfer while allowing the T2BPO to be an inactive game trophy. Quick and messy is going to be the best way about this. Sure there is going to be tears but really CCP owe to themselves and their employee's as well as the game community to get this done.
T2BPO's have killed this game dead for a massive amount of possible new subscribers. Those were subscriptions that CCP should have got but instead traded to keep a smaller number of whining pet players happy. In the end this hurt the game, it harmed the playerbase and CCP employees themselves. |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:54:00 -
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If we're throwing about compensation claims I'd like all the isk forever after tech got nerfed. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
300
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:58:00 -
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Doris Dents wrote:If we're throwing about compensation claims I'd like all the isk forever after tech got nerfed.
Pfft I think TEST get any of that if its handed out. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
125
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Posted - 2014.05.04 15:21:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:CCP will turn them to collectible items and/or remove all advantage from them, so they're worse compared to invention in all ways. You could still use them for production, but not compete against invention in any area. It'll be extremely unlikely any compensation happening will match the inflated value they are currently traded for.
Actually you could "tweek" invention some so that you get the equivilent of greens/blues etc doing invention ie say your doing invention on thrasher prints to get prints for sabers, and have the chance that one or more of them are better quality than standard, it could be a small increase in the size of the bubble the "improved/green" saber when it's produced, or it could be it gains a largish boost to something else like possibly having a role bonus that gives 125% bonus to MWD speed, or can fit medium size guns instead of smalls etc etc ie "blue/advanced" quality but then have the T2 BPO just produce bog standard sabers same as usual ie against baseline invented prints of the saber the T2 BPO of it would end up better for the decrease in mineral and production time costs, but it NEVER has the chance of producing green/blue quality saber so never produces sabers with some advantages over the default standard saber.
CCP could also have it do so in a manner where any pertic atribute or bonus could be picked randomly, though to save similar abuse to the original reason the T2 BPO lottery was removed, the dev ability to "influance it" should be locked down and require Hilmer to unlock that as well as have it tracked and recorded anytime it does get done. |
JoveBishop
Bishop Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2014.05.04 15:28:00 -
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Weren't they given for free to begin with?
Rest is just market speculation that can always go both ways.
Give nothing in return CCP. Don't add to the insult to everybody who didn't have DEV friends giving them out under the table in the first place. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
300
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Posted - 2014.05.04 15:31:00 -
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Or yeah uhm just stop the bias and gifting **** and uhm have a sandbox space MMO. Then again if you were to do that you'd have a successful game and a successful company which would have no reason to fire tons of people and where is the fun in that?
Instead we have a game that could have mass appeal but it is instead targeted to a small group of people while the rest are just left rage quiting. What's that I can't hear you over all these free ships Somer blink is getting or all these T2BPO's hitting the pet player accounts or those 5 dudes who have ISboxed or just plain botted upwards of 500 accounts spiking PLEX through the roof and deterring new players.
Personally alongside removing T2BPO I'd go for a complete server restart with a new company focus on a sandbox insuring a completely fair and unbiased space sim. I'm crazy though and I hate firing employee's so my idea will go over the heads of CCP and their pet player base.
The only people at CCP who agree with me on T2BPO's are those moving their **** out in cardboard boxes and even they loved T2BPO's 20 seconds before the naive fools :) |
Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
158
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Posted - 2014.05.04 15:39:00 -
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I can't believe people are falling for this bit of Goon misinformation. It's ridiculous.
What worse is people who have identified themselves as owning a BPO are getting emails similar to the one below, and I'm sure some of them are falling for it. Seriously, if T2 BPOs are getting removed, what possible reason could there be for wanting to buy one? I guess what P.T. Barnum said is true: there's one born every minute.
WTB your torpedo launcher II BPO
From: [redacted due to forum rules]
To: Wrayeth
You don't use it, allegedly. The nerfs are coming. Want to trade for cold hard isk?
EDIT: For my thoughts on the topic itself, see the following post:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4547232#post4547232 |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
300
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Posted - 2014.05.04 15:42:00 -
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Like I said.
Any fix to industry that does not have T2BPO's removed is a polished turd. The Devs at CCP are choosing a bias in game item over their own employee's RL careers and that bewilders me. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1236
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Posted - 2014.05.04 16:39:00 -
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When and how T II BPO's will be removed and if, how or in what form owners will be compensated is not known. CCP will make that information public if and when they decide it is time to do so. Until then, any thread on it can only be based on speculation. Hence, thread locked.
The Rules:
31. Rumor mongering is prohibited.
Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual solid information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. These kinds of threads and posts are detrimental to the well being and spirit of the EVE Online Community, and can create undue panic among forum users, as well as adding to the workload of our moderators.
ISD Ezwal
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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