You're the worst PVE theorycrafter I have ever seen.

Oh Keith...

I hated the idea then, i hate the idea now.

However credit where credit is due, the stupid thing worked

This implies that we've tried it... Umm...have we?

Once or twice when we used to live in the pulsar much to my annoyance

If this doesn't show how utterly crap the hull is as a dread I don't know what does.

The Nag is alright looking but far too vertical.

Surely you're joking? The Phoenix hull is the most beautiful thing ever!

It's the only ship that looks like a powerhouse (even if it isn't).

The Nag is alright looking but far too vertical.
The Rev is a scrawny man attending a heavyweight boxing match.
And the Moros, well, the Moros is a beached whale with cellulite...

So erm guys the Phoenix is getting a buff.. it will no longer be crap ;) ;) ;) ;).

Catch up!

Bonus round.

If you get dropped on midsite, use a mobile depot and refit all ECM!!!!

Siege mode un-counter jammable super falcon!

This is entirely unnecessary. 1 Archons, 1 Revelation, 2+ of any other Dread, 1 Loki. Throw everything into the site straight up, blow it up, warp in your second carrier when there are 8 Sleepless Guardians left and get out of there in 1 siege cycle.

Anything else is just complicating the matter.

First Dread absolutely must be a Revelation, first Carrier absolutely must be an Archon, boosts absolutely must be had.

The Nag is alright looking but far too vertical.

This is entirely unnecessary. 1 Archons, 1 Revelation, 2+ of any other Dread, 1 Loki. Throw everything into the site straight up, blow it up, warp in your second carrier when there are 8 Sleepless Guardians left and get out of there in 1 siege cycle.

Anything else is just complicating the matter.

First Dread absolutely must be a Revelation, first Carrier absolutely must be an Archon, boosts absolutely must be had.

Theoretically if you are going to go full riitard on sperging dreads into sites, why bring a loki at all?

[Phoenix, Wolf Raywhut?]

Damage Control II
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Dark Blood Stasis Webifier
Dark Blood Stasis Webifier
Warp Disruptor II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Siege Module II
'Limos' Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile
'Limos' Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile
'Limos' Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile

Capital Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Capital Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Capital Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Dunno what that dissy's doing there >.>

Theoretically if you are going to go full riitard on sperging dreads into sites, why bring a loki at all?

[Phoenix, Wolf Raywhut?]
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Please post a video of you doing a site with 3 dreads in one cycle and I will believe you.

Wait, you guys still use two siege cycles?
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PS: if you're using rev as first dread, i got some bad news for you son...

Do tell!

It'll be even more like a Chimmy now :)

Do tell!

im sorry, we clearly don't bear enough to be uber-leet PVEers like you.

it also makes zero difference if it takes 1,2 or 3 siege cycles given the limited nature of home sites.
the only time to care at all how long it takes is on carebear expo where you should be min/maxing your process.
i'd rather semi afk the sites in 3 cycles than blitz them in 1 and have to pay attention every time.

Personally I haven't really run sites in about a year. The only time I participated was when people in corp needed some pilot slots filled.

PS: if you're using rev as first dread, i got some bad news for you son...

Webs on that are pointless. Even with perfect boosts you don't even get 20kms. You will never web a sleeper with them. There is a reason Lokis/Rapiers/Huggins get used, and it's the web range bonus.



As I explained in your reddit post on this matter, I no longer have access to the characters I used to do this. I haven't ran a site since... November?-ish? I quite simply can't make the video you're asking for. I also sold all my caps, except for a single Thanatos and a Revelation.

However, since I'm not the only one in that thread telling you this can be done, and since there are some things you apparently don't know about sleepers and fits to do it, will you allow that perhaps I might be right?

Also, you have access (I assume) to the characters and ships required to do this. Jack Miton is in your corp, I assume he knows a thing or two about Sleepers, since he wrote the only real guide on doing it.

Don't take my word for it, go test it.

Great Bobs beard! Im in the same corp as you? Bob save me

I know ALOT about sleepers, I know you can warp to 0 on the spawns, and blap alot of the battleships before they get in web range. I know you can literally start the site with no tank on and swap when you take aggro. I know about bait boats and TP boats exactly how many tracking computers and sebos is overkill.

What I don't understand is how 5 dreads with T2 siege, plenty of sebos and no tank, can't manage to do a site in one cycle (with a loki) but you claim to do it with 3 dreads with **** skills. There is clearly a MASSIVE trick I have yet to learn about sleepers.

You play with **** players? Also I wasn't joking when I said you were the worst PVE theorycrafting..., you sound like you don't know jack.

Look, even if you just look at theory, we know that each sleepless guardian has 255,000 ehp, and each of your moroses will be doing about 16000dps, and you have 3, that means that you do 48,000 dps in the site. (honestly it's more like 51,000 since a proper fit moros has very close to 17,000dps, but we'll err on the side of caution here.)

28 sleepless guardians have a combined ehp of 7,140,000 ehp. You can get through this much ehp with 48,000dps in 148.75 seconds. That's 2.5 minutes. Obviously that doesn't happen, because you have to factor in lock time and lag time between weapon shots, and some over-shooting of targets even with unstacked guns, but it doesn't take more than 2.5 minutes of extra time there.

Edit: I also hope you realize you need more than one loki for 3+ dreads if you actually want to apply your dps in full capacity

grats on buying a calculator. now go buy a dictionary and look up 'applied DPS'.
Kieth, just ignore him.

grats on buying a calculator. now go buy a dictionary and look up 'applied DPS'.
Kieth, just ignore him.

I never ignore anyone, trolls and lies are easy to spot, but people give away details in their posts and wording.

I know ALOT about sleepers, I know you can warp to 0 on the spawns, and blap alot of the battleships before they get in web range. I know you can literally start the site with no tank on and swap when you take aggro. I know about bait boats and TP boats exactly how many tracking computers and sebos is overkill.

What I don't understand is how 5 dreads with T2 siege, plenty of sebos and no tank, can't manage to do a site in one cycle (with a loki) but you claim to do it with 3 dreads with **** skills. There is clearly a MASSIVE trick I have yet to learn about sleepers.

Actually, he does know me.

I think it's just too hard to tag them;)

if youre warping to zero in a magnetar with 3+ dreads you don't even need lokis tbh.

I definitely will make a video in the future since apparently CCP feels like nothing except farming should be viable in w-space. Whoopee. Looks like I'll be doing a lot of that in the future since that's the only thing left for me to do in w-space.

What they're not mentioning is that you need to do it in a magnetar, while warping to a 0 bookmark. That's how, at 0 and in a magnetar. That's how I do it, and if someone is saying you can get better DPS than 3 Moros' at 0 with 0 transversal, in another wormhole anomalie, they're mistaken.

wow somebody actually knows how to run sites on these forums. I dunno about this ~rev~ stuff but ok.

I'm guessing it's range related. We're doing it with a Moros initially and 2+ Lokis for webs. With just one we've run into the issue of the dreads not hitting for ****.

EDIT: Oh god. Some mod please merge these two posts. I accidentally.

Phoenix buffs incoming.

I expected drama, but not pve bullshiit. Get back on topic.

Shall we evaluate the possibility of dropping Phoenixes on ratting fleets in lieu of Nags then?

From what I am reading/hearing Citadel Torps will now actually be usable, but to what degree I am wondering. What will be the differences in damage application? I don't do a bunch of theorycrafting, but I would have to poke at Nags still being superior vs. subcaps even after the torp buffs.

Oh god they let you in?? I said NO to sith, not yes!!
JK, welcome aboard ;)