I've been thinking about this and the devastating effect it will have on research POSes once slots go away, and have some ideas for your consideration. As several of us have said, the above numbers alone are insufficient to make using labs at a POS fiscally viable except perhaps at extreme volume. The time savings does not offset even the worst case (14% added cost) using an NPC station as compared to between 300M-500M per month in fuel costs if running a large station. My proposal is to use the above as base numbers, but to also add role bonuses to the labs appropriate to their specialty and tie them to an existing skill such as "Research." Alternatively, you could add a few skills such as "Research ME," Research TE," and "Research Copying." For example:

Research Labs role bonus: 5% bonus per level Research ME, 5% bonus per level Research TE

Design Labs role bonus: 5% bonus per level Research Copying, 5% bonus per level Research, 20% bonus to BPC runs per level Research Copying.

Hyasoda Labs role bonus: 10% bonus per level Research ME, 10% bonus per level Research TE

In this way each lab remains distinctive while offering meaningful incentive to utilize a POS as opposed to an NPC station. It also partially addresses the issue of low BPC run caps while allowing inventors to partially close the competitive gap with T2 BPO holders while taking nothing away from T2 BPO holders. Ideally, inventors should have a chance through skill and equipment to research a "perfect" BPC just as a T2 BPO holder may research the BPO to "perfect." Also, by adding further bonuses to research times, it addresses some of the ridiculously long research cycles which can be expected under the new system as unveiled. This benefits smaller and/or newer researchers and industrialists by allowing for less time needed before having a chance to become competitive. The main issue I see is in determining how to reconcile these ideas with player outposts.

Those skills already exist

Science
Research
can't remember the third

The third is Metallurgy

Also, Temenus Alexander has clearly never done invention. As I explained here time is everything in invention, and a 40% bonus to copy time and a 50% bonus to invention time makes you WAY more isk

OK, i'm gonna go a bit crazy here, but with the splitting of invention and research into 2 labs we get yet one more stack of corporate hangars to move stuff between.

And since you managed to adjust so many thing related to POSes, i'm assuming you managed to break the code that was stopping you from improving them for so long.

So, how about we get all the hangars of the individual arrays merged (as we have only one corporate hangar in stations), witch each additional array contributing its hangar volume to the total?

That would reduce A TON of unneeded dragging of materials and checking where you left those the last time.

Please!

P.S.: Now that i think of it, splitting the one lab into 2 requires some reevaluation of its fitting requirements. It would be nice if we could still do our research AND invention without overloading the POS's fitting (unless that is part of the design).

So this is getting moved to Crius as well right?

I realize this is part of the tweaking from the other Indi changes but are the POS's ever gonna be reworked?

I mean in my opinion the entire POS system is probably the oldest part of EVE, set up is terrible, etc.

I think it needs a complete over haul.

These ideas that were in the commonly proposed ideas area should definitely looked at.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6342&find=unread

They are in the 4th post.

I think there were some great ideas in there that can be tweaked and will fit into this whole summer industrial expansion you guys are doing.

Hopefully you have something planned out already!

Cheers

Any info on re-balance the cargo sizes a bit more of POS Assembly Arrays? Seen it asked about 5 times now with no response... 3 million m3 on the Component Assembly Array is not enough...

We aren't planning on adjusting cargo capacity further for now unfortunately.

On the bright side however, we are working on ways to remove offline Control Towers. It's still in early design and with our team bandwidth being quite full for Crius, this will have to wait after that, but it's definitely on the menu.

We aren't planning on adjusting cargo capacity further for now unfortunately.

On the bright side however, we are working on ways to remove offline Control Towers. It's still in early design and with our team bandwidth being quite full for Crius, this will have to wait after that, but it's definitely on the menu.

What does the Material Efficiency skill do now?

Very excited to hear about how offline tower removal will work.

Just off the top of my head I imagine a system where you fly to an offline tower and play the hacking mini game on it. If you fail maybe the tower has some kinda automated AOE defense. If you succeed the tower begins a 48 hour (or something) un-anchoring timer, also sending a mail notification to the owners. During that timer the owner can come online/offline it or something to cancel the un-anchoring (Semi used towers can be easily kept, long abandoned towers can be stolen), once timer runs out it is floating in space. Hell add a 50% chance to AOE explode? Tower sink, and also choice between sitting right on the tower ready to scoop, holding back and warping in after you see etc. Just throwing out random ideas as they come to me :)

Confirming the new Industry will not do any material rounding until AFTER we multiply by the number of runs, meaning material efficiency discounts due to facility / teams / skills / blueprints / whatever may produce slightly better results with multiple runs.

Yes, considered doing it, but it's very undecided at the moment. It all depends if we can implement bonuses for multiple structures in Starbases or not.

reduce material requirements up to 10% with 2% per level.

We aren't planning on adjusting cargo capacity further for now unfortunately.

On the bright side however, we are working on ways to remove offline Control Towers. It's still in early design and with our team bandwidth being quite full for Crius, this will have to wait after that, but it's definitely on the menu.

Citation needed.

Last I saw, it was going to be a cap on the reduction of build costs with multiple runs. (that's in the devblog) with a rename.

In other words, if we get a bonus from anchoring arrays A, B and C, can we still build only in A (with bonuses) instead of having to break our production down and separate materials into A, B and C.

Thank you.