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Pcr
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:01:00 -
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High sec stands for high security. When someone does a crime, should ( really ) pay for it, not just flagged for 15 min and lose some security status.
I know people don't want to relate to real world but I do. When you do a crime, you pay dearly for it. Eve is a game so you won't go to prison but you should pay a lot more for killing a ship in high sec.
A day flagged as a criminal maybe. If you wanna do crimes, at least put some effort in it. Pay a fine to Concord also. 10 mil for a frigate, 50 mil for a freighter. Just an example.
I'm sure it's frustrating having no chance against suicide groups. Even more frustrating that they don't really pay for their crime. |
Dave Stark
5297
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:02:00 -
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or you could just engage your brain, and take the minimal and easy steps to not getting ganked. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
858
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:05:00 -
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This is the only thing you got right. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Noriko Mai
1329
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:05:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:or you could just engage your brain, and take the minimal and easy steps to not getting ganked. But.. erm... |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1234
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:07:00 -
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Pcr wrote:High sec stands for high security. When someone does a crime, should ( really ) pay for it, not just flagged for 15 min and lose some security status.
I know people don't want to relate to real world but I do. When you do a crime, you pay dearly for it. Eve is a game so you won't go to prison but you should pay a lot more for killing a ship in high sec.
A day flagged as a criminal maybe. If you wanna do crimes, at least put some effort in it. Pay a fine to Concord also. 10 mil for a frigate, 50 mil for a freighter. Just an example.
I'm sure it's frustrating having no chance against suicide groups. Even more frustrating that they don't really pay for their crime. How much did you lose? Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼ -į-į-į-į-į-į-į Soylent Green Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼Gū¼
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
407
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:07:00 -
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posting in stealth "I auto pilot my freighter into jita full of officer mods and went to watch desperate housewives" Thread. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --įAaron Birch |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13204
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:09:00 -
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Simple steps to help avoid being ganked in a freighter:
DONT AFK AUTOPILOT.
Watch load value.
Have friends Web you into warp.
LOOK AT KILLBOARDS at systems on your route. 14 freighters ganked in Balle in the last 5 hours? PROBABLY BEST TO AVOID THAT PIPE.
Don't smack talk in local.
Don't run to the forums and cry when you gent ganked. Confirming that you are making yourself a target doing this.
DONT AFK AUTOPILOT.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21556
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:09:00 -
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Pcr wrote:High sec stands for high security. When someone does a crime, should ( really ) pay for it, not just flagged for 15 min and lose some security status. They already do.
Quote:I'm sure it's frustrating having no chance against suicide groups. Even more frustrating that they don't really pay for their crime. Fortunately, there are plenty of ways to avoid both those scenarios.
GĒ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GėķvGėķ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GĒ„
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Paranoid Loyd
458
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:09:00 -
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You played the role of the hauler, they played the role of the pirates that took your stuff.
Maybe you should learn to protect your things better if you are going to be a hauler.
Don't be mad because they did their job and you didn't do yours. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5798
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:09:00 -
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Anybody want to guess how much the OP lost? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-įPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Pcr
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:10:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:or you could just engage your brain, and take the minimal and easy steps to not getting ganked.
I just saw an empty freighter today on eve-kill, I wonder what could he do... The mighty freighter combat fit ?
Don't be stupid...I know it's a hard thing to ask but refrain shitposting. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
743
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:10:00 -
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Good thread. +1 to EVE. Remove insurance. |
Pcr
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:11:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anybody want to guess how much the OP lost?
ZERO. NADA. I knew this would be the first thought about it. |
Pcr
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:12:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote: You played the role of the hauler, they played the role of the pirates that took your stuff.
Maybe you should learn to protect your things better if you are going to be a hauler.
Don't be mad because they did their job and you didn't do yours.
Not sure if you read the high sec part and police all over the place. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1731
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:12:00 -
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Pcr wrote:When someone does a crime, should ( really ) pay for it
Well, you did pay for your crime of being utterly clueless. Where is the problem?
I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5798
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:12:00 -
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Pcr wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anybody want to guess how much the OP lost? ZERO. NADA. I knew this would be the first thought about it.
9th, actually.
It was the 9th reply in the thread.
So if you didn't die, why cry about it? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-įPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
407
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:12:00 -
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Pcr wrote:Dave Stark wrote:or you could just engage your brain, and take the minimal and easy steps to not getting ganked. I just saw an empty freighter today on eve-kill, I wonder what could he do... The mighty freighter combat fit ? Don't be stupid...I know it's a hard thing to ask but refrain shitposting.
you fly over 1B worth of hull in space... into area filled with pilots...
use scout?
you know it's mmo right? play WITH other people maybe? "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --įAaron Birch |
Doreen Kaundur
16
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:13:00 -
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Concord is inept.
They cant even quell a riot, makeing hi-sec not so "hi-sec."
When the Jita riots broke out, Concord should have had some titans pop in, and firehose the whole crowd.
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Victor Andall
Heleneto Holdings
444
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:14:00 -
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I read the Post and then immediately disregarded it because OP is just a forum alt. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? |
Paranoid Loyd
458
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:15:00 -
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Pcr wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote: You played the role of the hauler, they played the role of the pirates that took your stuff.
Maybe you should learn to protect your things better if you are going to be a hauler.
Don't be mad because they did their job and you didn't do yours. Not sure if you read the high sec part and police all over the place.
Its a relative term, if its was called "completely safe sec" then you might have an argument, but its not, learn to eve.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
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Pcr
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:16:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Pcr wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anybody want to guess how much the OP lost? ZERO. NADA. I knew this would be the first thought about it. 9th, actually. It was the 9th reply in the thread. So if you didn't die, why cry about it?
It seems unfair to me. |
Paranoid Loyd
460
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:17:00 -
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Pcr wrote:It seems unfair to me.
Where does it say the game is supposed to be fair?
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5798
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:18:00 -
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Pcr wrote:
It seems unfair to me.
And?
That means one of two things. Either you have an insufficient knowledge of the subject, or the system is intended along those lines. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-įPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1731
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:18:00 -
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That freighter could be exploded because somebody didn't like competition in his area of trading for example. Or some moron undocked it with war going on. Ever thought of that? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Dave stark
5299
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:18:00 -
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Pcr wrote:Dave Stark wrote:or you could just engage your brain, and take the minimal and easy steps to not getting ganked. I just saw an empty freighter today on eve-kill, I wonder what could he do... The mighty freighter combat fit ? Don't be stupid...I know it's a hard thing to ask but refrain shitposting.
don't fly a freighter at war. don't fly a freighter with a public killright. etc
please, follow your own advice; refrain from shitposting. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2336
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anybody want to guess how much the OP lost?
That would depend on what value he put on his sense of personal pride.
So, 1 isk This is not a signature. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5798
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:20:00 -
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Pcr wrote: I just saw an empty freighter today on eve-kill, I wonder what could he do...
The first thing I would suggest he could have done is not violate the only law in highsec that matters.
The Code. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-įPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Adunh Slavy
1385
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:27:00 -
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You got ganked, it happens. You will not find much sympathy on these forums.
A longer flag isn't an entirely bad idea however. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-į-į- William Pitt |
mkint
1184
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:29:00 -
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Would be interesting if the penalties reflected the crime more effectively. Maybe if a criminal flag's duration depended on the value of the target ganked. Not saying it would be a good idea, but it's an interesting one.
As it is, irl, they wouldn't send someone to prison for 20 years for drug possession and let a murderer out after 5. /irony Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2805
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:31:00 -
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Pcr wrote:
I know people don't want to relate to real world but I do. When you do a crime, you pay dearly for it.
Only if you get caught. EvE is very much like the real world in many aspects. |
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Dave Stark
5300
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:32:00 -
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mkint wrote:Would be interesting if the penalties reflected the crime more effectively. Maybe if a criminal flag's duration depended on the value of the target ganked. Not saying it would be a good idea, but it's an interesting one.
As it is, irl, they wouldn't send someone to prison for 20 years for drug possession and let a murderer out after 5. /irony
but the crime is always the same; you shot something with a spaceship. |
Pcr
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:35:00 -
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Other than rather modest trolls, I see no reply about risk and reward. Catalyst ( risk ) - Freighter 1,3 bil+ cargo ( reward ). |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2806
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:37:00 -
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mkint wrote: As it is, irl, they wouldn't send someone to prison for 20 years for drug possession and let a murderer out after 5. /irony
I am sure we can find at least a few examples of this actually occurring
Here is a hard example but you can probably find 100's-1000's of cases, under the 3 strikes your out policy, where drug offenses get life when a first time murder can be out in less than 20. |
Dave Stark
5301
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:39:00 -
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Pcr wrote:Other than rather modest trolls, I see no reply about risk and reward. Catalyst ( risk ) - Freighter 1,3 bil+ cargo ( reward ).
if you're blowing the freighter up, it's not a reward. not to mention, it's cargo/2 due to the 50% drop rate. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
201
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:40:00 -
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Pcr wrote:Other than rather modest trolls, I see no reply about risk and reward. Catalyst ( risk ) - Freighter 1,3 bil+ cargo ( reward ).
Tell me again how you suicide ganked a freighter with a single Catalyst.. Warning: Sarcasm Above. |
Pcr
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:41:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Pcr wrote:Other than rather modest trolls, I see no reply about risk and reward. Catalyst ( risk ) - Freighter 1,3 bil+ cargo ( reward ). if you're blowing the freighter up, it's not a reward.
Really ? You don't say...Nobody does it for the lulz, or grief, right ? Are you playing this game ? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1451
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:42:00 -
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Actually, opposite to your view that gankers should pay a heavier price; industrialists, mission runners, miners and other people that are ganked should be made to pay an additional tax proportionate to the value of their ship, fit and cargo.
Those that take valuable cargo in untanked ships, or min/max a mission ship with bling fit should have to pay a big levy to offset the risk that Concord will have to spawn on their behalf at some point.
Those that take small cargo in tanked ships, would of course pay less because of the lower risk of Concord intervention.
Why should people that fit and manage their security risk properly have to pay the same amount as someone who shows no regsrd for their own safety? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -į<- Argue this, not this ->-į( -ķ-¦ -£-ū -ķ-¦) |
Dave Stark
5301
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:43:00 -
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Pcr wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Pcr wrote:Other than rather modest trolls, I see no reply about risk and reward. Catalyst ( risk ) - Freighter 1,3 bil+ cargo ( reward ). if you're blowing the freighter up, it's not a reward. Really ? You don't say...Nobody does it for the lulz, or grief, right ? Are you playing this game ?
i don't know. are you? you're the one that just claimed it was a reward. see your post. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5799
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:43:00 -
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Pcr wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Pcr wrote:Other than rather modest trolls, I see no reply about risk and reward. Catalyst ( risk ) - Freighter 1,3 bil+ cargo ( reward ). if you're blowing the freighter up, it's not a reward. Really ? You don't say...Nobody does it for the lulz, or grief, right ? Are you playing this game ?
It's a sandbox game. No one needs a reason to blow anyone else up. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-įPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
330
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:44:00 -
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Also, we do pay a penalty to CONCORD for this sort of thing, equal to whatever the insurance payout of our suicide ship was. Wasn't all that long ago that insurance still paid out when a ship was killed by CONCORD.
I too would like to hear how one can suicide a freighter with a Catalyst though. "LIVE FAST DIE."- traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed] |
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Petrus Blackshell
Derelict Rifter Enterprise
3129
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:46:00 -
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Things a ganker risks/loses:
- His ship(s) (all the ships involved in the gank)
- 15 minutes of relentless CONCORD-chasing
- Kill rights grants his victim potential to retaliate if ganker lives in hisec
- Loot fairy fail
- Gank fails, ganker still dies
- In other words, risk of completely wasting time, money, and sec status for no outcome
Things a freighter can do to stay alive:
- Do not haul stuff worth 2x more than the ships it takes to gank the freighter.
- Do not haul stuff if you know there are people around who hate / have a grudge / have non-financial reasons to kill you.
Whine on the forums NO! This encourages (2) above.
That is literally everything a freighter has to do to avoid most ganks. Here, I even made a tool for maths-challenged freighter pilots to know when they're flying a loot pi+¦ata. Made it a while back so the prices might be a bit off, but it's still a good reference tool. For instance, are you flying 10 billion ISK worth of stuff in a Fenrir? 8 Tornados ganking you are looking at about 4 billion ISK in profit. You have a "gank me" sign on your back.
HTFU, L2P, etc. Don't go crying to the forums because you can't figure out basic math to keep you safe, though.
(edited because the Eve forum is **** at URLs with "&" in them) Rifterlings - newbie-friendly swashbuckling corp ("weflyrifters" in-game channel). Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Pcr
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:48:00 -
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Dirk Magnum wrote:Also, we do pay a penalty to CONCORD for this sort of thing, equal to whatever the insurance payout of our suicide ship was. Wasn't all that long ago that insurance still paid out when a ship was killed by CONCORD.
I too would like to hear how one can suicide a freighter with a Catalyst though.
I said your penalty is too small in my opinion. If you kill a ship in high sec you should pay more than that. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying not to do it. Do it but ( really ) pay for it. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5803
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:49:00 -
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Pcr wrote:Dirk Magnum wrote:Also, we do pay a penalty to CONCORD for this sort of thing, equal to whatever the insurance payout of our suicide ship was. Wasn't all that long ago that insurance still paid out when a ship was killed by CONCORD.
I too would like to hear how one can suicide a freighter with a Catalyst though. I said your penalty is too small in my opinion. If you kill a ship in high sec you should pay more than that. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying not to do it. Do it but ( really ) pay for it.
Nope. Ganking has been nerfed too many times as it is. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-įPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1745
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:49:00 -
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Adding a longer CONCORD criminal timer will just require longer amounts of time docked. This would detract from conflict, and CCP does not like taking conflict out of the game.
If you want a longer suspect style free-shoot timer, well...after -5.0 it doesn't matter, outlaws are perma suspect. Set right, a killright gives a 30 day "suspect flag" as is. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Pcr
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:58:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Things a ganker risks/loses:
- His ship(s) (all the ships involved in the gank)
- 15 minutes of relentless CONCORD-chasing
- Kill rights grants his victim potential to retaliate if ganker lives in hisec
- Loot fairy fail
- Gank fails, ganker still dies
- In other words, risk of completely wasting time, money, and sec status for no outcome
Things a freighter can do to stay alive:
- Do not haul stuff worth 2x more than the ships it takes to gank the freighter.
- Do not haul stuff if you know there are people around who hate / have a grudge / have non-financial reasons to kill you.
Whine on the forums NO! This encourages (2) above.
That is literally everything a freighter has to do to avoid most ganks. Here, I even made a tool for maths-challenged freighter pilots to know when they're flying a loot pi+¦ata. Made it a while back so the prices might be a bit off, but it's still a good reference tool. For instance, are you flying 10 billion ISK worth of stuff in a Fenrir? 8 Tornados ganking you are looking at about 4 billion ISK in profit. You have a "gank me" sign on your back. HTFU, L2P, etc. Don't go crying to the forums because you can't figure out basic math to keep you safe, though. (edited because the Eve forum is **** at URLs with "&" in them)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23302805
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23302851
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23302868
Your wall of text is useless in these 3 kills. Some guys killed 3 freighters with no cargo.
They have minimal loss and a bucket of tears as a reward perhaps.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5805
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:03:00 -
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Pcr wrote:
Your wall of text is useless in these 3 kills. Some guys killed 3 freighters with no cargo.
They have minimal loss and a bucket of tears as a reward perhaps.
Please show me the section of the EULA that forbids me from killing someone if I don't stand to profit off of it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-įPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1745
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:05:00 -
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Here's your reason why. One or more of those gankers has an alt that somehow, directly or indirectly, via an unknown number of steps, supports someone with materials needed to build freighters. They most likely don't even know who this person is.
By killing the freighter, they drive up demand for that ship, which drives up demand for the materials (via said unknown number of steps), thereby increasing the ganker's profits. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Pcr
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:09:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Pcr wrote:
Your wall of text is useless in these 3 kills. Some guys killed 3 freighters with no cargo.
They have minimal loss and a bucket of tears as a reward perhaps.
Please show me the section of the EULA that forbids me from killing someone if I don't stand to profit off of it.
You miss my point. Kill them. All of them ! But pay more in high sec. How much more? I don't know, more flagged time, a fine to Concord, whatever. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5806
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:14:00 -
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Pcr wrote: You miss my point. Kill them. All of them ! But pay more in high sec. How much more? I don't know, more flagged time, a fine to Concord, whatever.
Why? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-įPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
2162
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:21:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Actually, opposite to your view that gankers should pay a heavier price; industrialists, mission runners, miners and other people that are ganked should be made to pay an additional tax proportionate to the value of their ship, fit and cargo.
Those that take valuable cargo in untanked ships, or min/max a mission ship with bling fit should have to pay a big levy to offset the risk that Concord will have to spawn on their behalf at some point.
Those that take small cargo in tanked ships, would of course pay less because of the lower risk of Concord intervention.
Why should people that fit and manage their security risk properly have to pay the same amount as someone who shows no regard for their own safety?
Sure, so long as there is a "srsly CONCORD, I know what I'm doing and have a fleet with me" payoff so they don't tax me anything? Corp HQ in lowsec maybe?
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
2162
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:24:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Things a ganker risks/loses:
- His ship(s) (all the ships involved in the gank)
- 15 minutes of relentless CONCORD-chasing
- Kill rights grants his victim potential to retaliate if ganker lives in hisec
- Loot fairy fail
- Gank fails, ganker still dies
- In other words, risk of completely wasting time, money, and sec status for no outcome
Things a freighter can do to stay alive:
- Do not haul stuff worth 2x more than the ships it takes to gank the freighter.
- Do not haul stuff if you know there are people around who hate / have a grudge / have non-financial reasons to kill you.
Whine on the forums NO! This encourages (2) above. Friendly webber - Gang links/boosters for siege/skirmish/armoured warfare (any one, or all three).
That is literally everything a freighter has to do to avoid most ganks. Here, I even made a tool for maths-challenged freighter pilots to know when they're flying a loot pi+¦ata. Made it a while back so the prices might be a bit off, but it's still a good reference tool. For instance, are you flying 10 billion ISK worth of stuff in a Fenrir? 8 Tornados ganking you are looking at about 4 billion ISK in profit. You have a "gank me" sign on your back. HTFU, L2P, etc. Don't go crying to the forums because you can't figure out basic math to keep you safe, though. (edited because the Eve forum is **** at URLs with "&" in them)
You missed a couple. Fixed
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
994
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:28:00 -
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Why not find friends who protect you? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13212
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:33:00 -
[53] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Why not find friends who protect you?
Because being friends in highsec was considered to OP by the people of highsec, so they refuse to engage in friendship until it is nerfed by CCP.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18205
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:36:00 -
[54] - Quote
Pcr wrote:Other than rather modest trolls, I see no reply about risk and reward. Catalyst ( risk ) - Freighter 1,3 bil+ cargo ( reward ). So you believe in ISK tanking?
GTFO
Solecist Project wrote:Why not find friends who protect you? Requires friends
Never go full Ripard |
Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
420
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:41:00 -
[55] - Quote
Get rid of disposable, recyclable alts. Better yet, get rid of alts entirely. Otherwise no changes needed.
No good deed goes unpunished |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
994
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:43:00 -
[56] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Pcr wrote:Other than rather modest trolls, I see no reply about risk and reward. Catalyst ( risk ) - Freighter 1,3 bil+ cargo ( reward ). So you believe in ISK tanking? GTFO Solecist Project wrote:Why not find friends who protect you? Requires friends I'd be his friend. :D I'd be your friend too!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1745
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:44:00 -
[57] - Quote
Only total and utter morons loose freighters in hisec. |
Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
55
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:44:00 -
[58] - Quote
Maxpie wrote:Get rid of disposable, recyclable alts. Better yet, get rid of alts entirely. Otherwise no changes needed. I hope that I don't count.
That'd suck a lot. lol
PotatoOverdose wrote:Only total and utter morons loose freighters in hisec. lose*
Irony* |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5808
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:44:00 -
[59] - Quote
Maxpie wrote:Get rid of disposable, recyclable alts. Better yet, get rid of alts entirely. Otherwise no changes needed.
It's a bannable offense to recycle alts already.
It's also the next best thing to an urban legend that it happens in the first place. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-įPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1746
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:46:00 -
[60] - Quote
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Maxpie wrote:Get rid of disposable, recyclable alts. Better yet, get rid of alts entirely. Otherwise no changes needed. I hope that I don't count. That'd suck a lot. lol PotatoOverdose wrote:Only total and utter morons loose freighters in hisec. lose* Irony* Fix'd. Also, nevr sed I spel gud. |
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Jur Tissant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:47:00 -
[61] - Quote
Taking down a freighter takes more than just some rookie flying a Catalyst. It's a coordinated effort. High-sec doesn't mean you're 100% safe from other players, nor should it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18205
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:48:00 -
[62] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Pcr wrote:Other than rather modest trolls, I see no reply about risk and reward. Catalyst ( risk ) - Freighter 1,3 bil+ cargo ( reward ). So you believe in ISK tanking? GTFO Solecist Project wrote:Why not find friends who protect you? Requires friends I'd be his friend. :D I'd be your friend too! lol nice try Sol, I'll try and stay away from the wrong end of your Thrashers thanks.
Never go full Ripard |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2808
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:48:00 -
[63] - Quote
Note to freighter pilots watch out for Isanamo ;p...That or drive through in empty |
Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
56
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:50:00 -
[64] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:Note to freighter pilots watch out for Isanamo ;p...That or drive through in empty This is completely useless and pointless.
Nobody relevant is going to read this, and nobody out there is willing to help.
And those who would help have no real clue how to do it.
People are rather useless. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2808
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:52:00 -
[65] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It's a bannable offense to recycle alts already.
Used to be banable, but it is not even possible anymore correct? Did not CCP take away the ability to biomass any pilot with a negative sec status?
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13214
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:52:00 -
[66] - Quote
PotatoOverdose wrote:Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Maxpie wrote:Get rid of disposable, recyclable alts. Better yet, get rid of alts entirely. Otherwise no changes needed. I hope that I don't count. That'd suck a lot. lol PotatoOverdose wrote:Only total and utter morons loose freighters in hisec. lose* Irony* Fix'd. Also, nevr sed I spel gud.
Bilay? iz that yuu Bilay? Y u do dis Bilay? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2808
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:53:00 -
[67] - Quote
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Note to freighter pilots watch out for Isanamo ;p...That or drive through in empty This is completely useless and pointless. Nobody relevant is going to read this, and nobody out there is willing to help. And those who would help have no real clue how to do it. People are rather useless.
I used to slingshot freighters in my old corps.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1746
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:54:00 -
[68] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It's a bannable offense to recycle alts already.
Used to be banable, but it is not even possible anymore correct? Did not CCP take away the ability to biomass any pilot with a negative sec status? Out of curiosity, what stops someone from rolling a new trial account and training up those characters for catalysts? When all are -5.0, make a new account and so on. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2808
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:56:00 -
[69] - Quote
PotatoOverdose wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It's a bannable offense to recycle alts already.
Used to be banable, but it is not even possible anymore correct? Did not CCP take away the ability to biomass any pilot with a negative sec status? Out of curiosity, what stops someone from rolling a new trial account and training up those characters for catalysts? When all are -5.0, make a new account and so on.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3271
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:56:00 -
[70] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It's a bannable offense to recycle alts already.
Used to be banable, but it is not even possible anymore correct? Did not CCP take away the ability to biomass any pilot with a negative sec status? What about trial catalyst alts? Does that even work within the time frame? Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18206
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:00:00 -
[71] - Quote
Abrazzar wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It's a bannable offense to recycle alts already.
Used to be banable, but it is not even possible anymore correct? Did not CCP take away the ability to biomass any pilot with a negative sec status? What about trial catalyst alts? Does that even work within the time frame? Nope, in a 14 or 21 day trial you end up with a mediocre catalyst pilot
Never go full Ripard |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1267
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:00:00 -
[72] - Quote
A proposal like this should be posted in Features & Ideas Discussion. But as there have been and are several threads in that forum section on this very topic, it would get locked for redundancy. Might as well do it right here then.
Thread locked.
The rules: 16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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