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prathe
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Posted - 2006.05.24 04:05:00 -
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I have been setting aside the isk for tier 3 bpo's mainly the minmatar and was wondering how do you see these ships affecting the current bs's already in game
with the stats that have been put forward (maybe's i know ) do you think any of the tier one's and two's will become a thing of the past?
I think scorp's will survive due to the ecm ability
but how do you see the other making out after kali? ideas ? theories?
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Kollgorholl
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Posted - 2006.05.24 04:09:00 -
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Each of the new BS will have it's own specialty built in, none of them will be solo pwnmobiles. imho the tier 3 BS will not make tier 1's and 2's any more obsolete than tier 2 made tier 1 obsolete.
Although the Typhoon has its problems the Geddon, Dominix and Scorpion are as widely used as ever despite the existence of the Apoc, Mega and Raven precisely because each of these ships fulfills it's own niche role.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.05.24 04:38:00 -
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Really depends, if the new Ships will get a rangebonus as some people have suggested they definatly will make all other ships obsolete for fleetbattles, except maybe the scorpion.
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2006.05.24 04:45:00 -
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The tier 3 Caldari BS should make the Raven obsolete for fleet battles. It should not and will not (if the devs are smart) make the Raven obsolete for small gang work, and Scorpion obsolete for EW, whether it's fleet EW or gang EW.
I agree with the previous poster(s), these ships shouldn't be any more powerful over the tier 2s than the tier 2 is over t1.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.05.24 04:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
The tier 3 Caldari BS should make the Raven obsolete for fleet battles. It should not and will not (if the devs are smart) make the Raven obsolete for small gang work, and Scorpion obsolete for EW, whether it's fleet EW or gang EW.
I agree with the previous poster(s), these ships shouldn't be any more powerful over the tier 2s than the tier 2 is over t1.
 The raven was already obsolete for fleet battles.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.05.24 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
The tier 3 Caldari BS should make the Raven obsolete for fleet battles. It should not and will not (if the devs are smart) make the Raven obsolete for small gang work, and Scorpion obsolete for EW, whether it's fleet EW or gang EW.
I agree with the previous poster(s), these ships shouldn't be any more powerful over the tier 2s than the tier 2 is over t1.
raven will still be one of the kings for a close range fleet fight.
fleet fight doesnt mean 200k range all the time.
i dont get it why people claim that all the time.
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Mr Breakfast
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Posted - 2006.05.24 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Malken
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
The tier 3 Caldari BS should make the Raven obsolete for fleet battles. It should not and will not (if the devs are smart) make the Raven obsolete for small gang work, and Scorpion obsolete for EW, whether it's fleet EW or gang EW.
I agree with the previous poster(s), these ships shouldn't be any more powerful over the tier 2s than the tier 2 is over t1.
raven will still be one of the kings for a close range fleet fight.
fleet fight doesnt mean 200k range all the time.
i dont get it why people claim that all the time.
By fleet they mean blob.
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2006.05.24 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis
The raven was already obsolete for fleet battles.
Well, pretty much. If you can only fly Caldari like me, though, you're going to have to go with a Raven. Jav torps do work and work so-so for fleets, but instant damage is always preferred for obvious reasons.
Originally by: Mr Breakfast
By fleet they mean blob.
Yeah, that's really what I mean. I know they don't always happen at 100+ km but most do. Raven is a damn fine ship for close range combat - one of the top 3, if not the best.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.05.24 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 24/05/2006 06:44:20
Even the longer range (that is suspected) on the Caldari sniper boat likely won't obsolete the Gallente, Minmatar, and Amarr snipers. The reason being that the Caldari sniper ship will likely not get a damage bonus in addition to the range bonus, for instance.
Aside from that, the devs aren't stupid enough to completely fail to balance for such things. They won't ignore Gallente use of rails just because Gallente are "supposed" to use blasters.
After all, if rails were "only" a Caldari weapon, then they wouldn't have put the Gallente Navy 425mm railgun in the game, would they? 
My point being: I don't think there is a whole lot to worry about here.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.24 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Yeah, that's really what I mean. I know they don't always happen at 100+ km but most do. Raven is a damn fine ship for close range combat - one of the top 3, if not the best.
even at close range, in a blob, you want instant damage. If you have a caldari pilot, I would ask him to take a scorp over a raven any day at any range in a big blob.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.05.24 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Yeah, that's really what I mean. I know they don't always happen at 100+ km but most do. Raven is a damn fine ship for close range combat - one of the top 3, if not the best.
even at close range, in a blob, you want instant damage. If you have a caldari pilot, I would ask him to take a scorp over a raven any day at any range in a big blob.
Exactly, no mater how much missile skills the raven pilot has, it is useless if the target is dead before the missiles reach their target.
In raiding gangs and fleets setup for close range, I can perhaps see the point. But why would someone setup a close range fleet is beyond me :)
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Posted - 2006.05.24 08:33:00 -
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The current stats have been lying rotting in the database for a long long time. More recently, though, Tuxford stated "I haven't looked at tier 3 battleships yet".
Until he has, I really don't see a point speculating how they affect the current battleships, since they've not really got any stats that can affect the current ships.
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Pants Reaver
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Posted - 2006.05.31 15:21:00 -
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Well for some price will be an issue as well. If the Tier 3 BS cost 400 mil those of us why have just scraped enough together for a Raven and Scorp wont be looking to hop right into a Tier 3 appon release, as the price will make it a non issue. Speaking of that, any estimations on "out the gate" pricing on these things when they hit the market?
I can hapily loose my raven and know that I'll be able to have a new one up and running in days, I wouldnt feel comfy entering PvP with a 200+ mil ship at my current isk income.
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Lisento Slaven
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Posted - 2006.05.31 15:35:00 -
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The BS's that have a problem to be worked out are the Tier 3 Gallente and Tier 3 Amarr (more so the Amarr).
The Tier 3 Amarr based on all the speculation and chit-chat arguments I've read here and elsewhere will have to be utterly unique in order to make the apocalypse and armageddon still have a purpose. Can anyone honestly think of a tier 3 amarr ship (that goes with Amarr) that doesn't shut out the Apoc or Arma?
If we end up with a tier 3 augoror I won't be happy =P...the tier 3 Amarr is what's going to determine if I stick with Amarr ships or not. Lasers get very boring and I use the arbitrator more often than any of the other ships in the Amarr lineup. Why did the prophecy have to be so ugly =P
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2006.05.31 17:51:00 -
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Its hard to tell without the specs all figured out, but maybe minmatar will have a BS that's good at something other than just an alpha strike...
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