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Lord Abbadon
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Posted - 2006.05.25 11:50:00 -
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LOL all piRATes should be buzzard chowder without any doubt.
Sure there ARE some real pirates, and those that dosent know the concept of beeing one. real pirates plunder, take ransome ergo steal. They are liberalists belive in freedome of choise. that means not tricking ppl into getting blown up, destroying noob ships just for the hell of it. and you call yourself ppl? fock off.
destroying a ship then ransoming? lol plain griefing.
cripple yes then ransome.
but i have seldome meet any REAL pirates out there only griefers that wants to destroy this game for ppl.
and all pirates will be judged for 1 bad pirates actions, it says itself. its called defense agains other *******s like you.
read some books about pirates then act like 1 then call yourself a pirate. now ya are plain griefers.
sorry for any typos.
PS only been podded by 1 pirate (was in ashuttle and no implants) we just laughed at him.
EVE domination. The same old dream. Our asylums are full of people who think they're Naploeon. Or God. |
Ayame Mishima
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Posted - 2006.05.25 11:58:00 -
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Scientific books or just some novels that are far off anything that happened in reality?
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Lord Abbadon
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Posted - 2006.05.25 12:03:00 -
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exept books there are still pirates out there in todays waters. doing mostly what they did before, but only with plundering and even murder. sacking towns of goods aint that comon :)
small costaltown thefts maybe but not in a larger scale.
EVE domination. The same old dream. Our asylums are full of people who think they're Naploeon. Or God. |
Ayame Mishima
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Posted - 2006.05.25 12:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Lord Abbadon
exept books there are still pirates out there in todays waters. doing mostly what they did before, but only with plundering and even murder. sacking towns of goods aint that comon :)
small costaltown thefts maybe but not in a larger scale.
I know. And they only do it in small scale because they know when they become too greedy and to forward, they got the naval forces of several countries on their tail.
Where are todays pirates? They work mostly around third world countries. Why? Those countries can't afford to hunt them down or don't bother with that because they've got a war going on with some neighbours.
Doubt they would do it like the pirates in the 17th century where there was no radar, satellites and guided missiles that can fly over hundreds of miles.
Pirates - as any human being that wants to survive - have to adept to the circumstances. (Regardless of what I think about RL piracy) In EVE that means, if you want to get to the cargo of a ship, you either have to have a cargo scanner with you to be sure the pilot drops everything he has - or to do the faster way and risk some of the cargo getting blown apart as well.
Why prefer the faster way? Easy to say, pirates in EVE often lack time. Hey he's moving towards the gate... great idea of convoing him then.
I don't question the motivation behind pirating as I can't know every player around. But usually EVE depends on its economy, so most players are in for economic reasons. Those who kill just for fun because they have enough, well up to them in the end. 
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Zeknen
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Posted - 2006.05.25 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cole Steel
So taking something that belongs to someone else with out there permission is not disshonerable?
Depends on how you take it. If you see a brand new player in a belt begging for mercy, then it is not dishonorable. If you trick them (claim 1v1, then gank them with 6 others) to kill them, then that's very dishonorable. If you attack them as a gang, then it's a bit unfair, but it's still not dishonorable. The only time a pirate will do something dishonorable is if he smacktalks an opponent after killing/being killed, does not hold to a deal (1v1, or ransoms), or whatever.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.05.25 14:55:00 -
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At the end of the day, people play the game to have fun.
Game dynamics dictate I can kill people in <0.4 security space without losing my ship to Concord. So I do, because I enjoy doing it.
Game dynamics also allow people to take precautions to avoid being blown up, or to learn how to fight back, or even to stick to safer Empire space.
No one is a good or bad person for playing this game in a way which suits them.
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Vamp 1
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Posted - 2006.05.25 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Argentina
Pirates are people too
Why do some people think they're above us pirates? Are we not the same, do we not deserve the same rights as other people. Why is dishonoring us justifiable while we have dishonored noone?
When someone asks us for a duel it's automatically justifiable to blob them because they are blow you, This Needs To Stop!
When someone kills us it's ok but when we kill someone else it's somehow wrong? This Needs To Stop!
Why are we below everyone, we're just people and we deserve the same rights as the next person!
This is why I'm starting a new club: Pirates are people too or P.A.P.T. for short.
Who's with me!?
The only good pirate is a dead pirate.
You have the right to die horribly by ganksquad.
GOTCHA: I love the little buggers, wouldn't be the same without them.
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Drasked
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Posted - 2006.05.25 16:47:00 -
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pirates are people??? meh..  .. i always tought they where cyborgs that used hacks.
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Krist Valentine
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Posted - 2006.05.25 17:00:00 -
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there is alos different view of what is honorable and what is not, a pirate that beats overwheliming power in game might earn honor from their fellow pirates for a grand achivement, while others might consider it a dishonorable ambush of their convoy by a lone pirate ship.
You're mistaking honor for respect. Honor is keeping your word and rescuing damsels in destress (or miners - what's the difference?) - respect is when people will hold you in high regard. People won't honor you for killing someone, they'll respect you.
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Swadey
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Posted - 2006.05.25 18:29:00 -
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i take it not many of you purchased eve form a shop with a cd and a box? on the box to the game it promotes all aspects of the game including pirating and to take what ever you want with what ever force you want. are all 0.0 alliances not pirates? do they not kill ppl that enter what they claim is there space! who gave them the regions to start with. no one they take buy force and claim for there own profit. i think theres a lot more pirates in eve than most would like to admit
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Nyabinghi
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Posted - 2006.05.25 21:23:00 -
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I could respect cunning and skill. But an EVE pirate is no Professor Moriarty. There is no skill (beyond the books bought and trained while sleeping) in killing small non hostile ships, newbies, and industrials with BSs and T2 weaponry. Piracy in EVE tends to be simple straight up destruction for killboard ego trips. The word "pirate" gets thrown around a lot but perhaps murderer is a more accurate definition for these people in regards to EVE. Murderer first, thief second.
But perhaps I would even accept people RPing murders in EVE if there was at least an equal opportunity for justice to be served, which sadly there isn't. So those who lose, lose a lot with nothing but a long upward climb to face in seeking justice.
As for 0.0 well I think that in any player owned space they should choose who can fly free through their space and who cannot. They should have regulations, application processes, and perhap offer a warning shot off the bow for intruders to retreat instead of just opening up all cannons instantly. Beyond that they have the right to protect their interests. However 0.0 corps shouldn't claim space away from their central operations just for the sake of snubbing others.
I make cool banners for ISK.
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.05.25 22:29:00 -
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The only dishonorable thing about piracy, and it does not apply to most pirates, is using trickery and abusing "trust."
Hence lanfear
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Atlas Oracle
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Posted - 2006.05.25 22:47:00 -
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this is hilarious thread
scum pirates: you made your honorless bed, lie in it.
the only debt to honor i'd ever pay a pirate is honoring 1v1. except for that, anything is fair game against scum.
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Siren Shiva
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Posted - 2006.05.25 22:51:00 -
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I'm no person.
I'm a giant fluffy teddybear. \o/
Lyticus > I freaking hate you!
Siren Shiva > I love you too <3
Trey > Siren sounds like she could kick my ass on Vent
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.05.26 02:16:00 -
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pirates are not people, we are actually a race of cyborgs with laser beams bent on greifing all the humans. 
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Hoshi Mandella
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Posted - 2006.05.26 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: Hoshi Mandella on 26/05/2006 02:21:47
in the real world, I consider myself above muggers and serial killers. why not in EVE as well? Its along the lines of "get a job" or "see a shrink"
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Ceiri
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Posted - 2006.05.26 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zeknen
Originally by: Cole Steel
So taking something that belongs to someone else with out there permission is not disshonerable?
Depends on how you take it. If you see a brand new player in a belt begging for mercy, then it is not dishonorable. If you trick them (claim 1v1, then gank them with 6 others) to kill them, then that's very dishonorable. If you attack them as a gang, then it's a bit unfair, but it's still not dishonorable. The only time a pirate will do something dishonorable is if he smacktalks an opponent after killing/being killed, does not hold to a deal (1v1, or ransoms), or whatever.
Semantic wiggling to appease your own conscience is amusing.
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valerydarcy
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Posted - 2006.05.26 03:36:00 -
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roffle @ this whole thread 
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CherniyVolk
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Posted - 2006.05.26 04:53:00 -
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I rolled up in a system the other day and saw some guy in local. I thought, why put him back on the market for a new ship? Why make some greedy guy with a BPO richer? Let's settle this issue, in a "civilized" way.
I got it! Preemptive Ransoming! What a great idea!
So, I tell him, should he give me 10 million isks then I'll not attack him for a period of one week.
All I got was a "lol".
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K'reemy G'udness
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Posted - 2006.05.26 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
pirates are not people, we are actually a race of cyborgs with laser beams bent on greifing all the humans.
QFT
Kill all hum-ans! Kill all hum-ans! Kill all hum-ans! Kill all hum-ans!
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.05.26 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: K'reemy G'udness
Originally by: mazzilliu
pirates are not people, we are actually a race of cyborgs with laser beams bent on greifing all the humans.
QFT
Kill all hum-ans! Kill all hum-ans! Kill all hum-ans! Kill all hum-ans!
i think the ferengi pronounced it "kill all hoo-mans!"
Quote:
[05:17:46] Obiareus > freindlies dock or safespot
[05:17:51] Obiareus > YOU CANNOT WIN
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ZzeusS
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Posted - 2006.05.26 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Swadey
i take it not many of you purchased eve form a shop with a cd and a box? on the box to the game it promotes all aspects of the game including pirating and to take what ever you want with what ever force you want. are all 0.0 alliances not pirates? do they not kill ppl that enter what they claim is there space! who gave them the regions to start with. no one they take buy force and claim for there own profit. i think theres a lot more pirates in eve than most would like to admit
I did. Still have it on the shelf, too. It's a collectors item these days 
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Rukkal
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Posted - 2006.05.26 19:04:00 -
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I find this to me a very strange thead, and unfortunately a thread that is far too common in the Eve forums.
Piracy in itself is selfish; You are taking someone else's assets by force. Do you salute the man you mugs you?
If you want to be respected and admired by the common player, then don't pirate them. If you want to be feared, kill everything you can. But don't ask for it both ways. You can't bully other people and expect to be anything but "scum".
In Eve, when someone pods me I put them on my "kill in the future" list. Do I respect them? Not in the slightest. I have yet to be killed by any player who is even close to my skill points. Do I admire them? Only if they take me on alone.
Care to quess how many pirates have taken me on in equal numbers?
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Ren Dition
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Posted - 2006.05.26 22:46:00 -
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I am kinda new so bear with me here.
Do pirates usually ask permission to kill people and take thier stuff? Do they make sure they only engage in fair fights? Do they announce they are pirates when they enter a system?
I was under the impression that they used every dirty trick they had to steal other peoples' stuff. I must have been mistaken.
Pirates are people to, but unlike other people they have bounties. Live it or live with it.
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Varelse Wiggin
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Posted - 2006.05.27 05:23:00 -
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Honestly, as a pirate myself, I have to say that non pirates and pirate hunters have us beat as far as being a person goes, in game that is.
They're doing something noble, we're doing something underhanded and mean as a means of profit.
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Chaddy
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Posted - 2006.05.27 08:10:00 -
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Yes, nice point!
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csebal
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Posted - 2006.05.27 15:27:00 -
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The problem here is not how people feel towards pirates, but it is the lack of maturity. (in game terms at least)
Fact: This is an MMOG, not RP in any way. Sure you can role play, but a big majority of the people will take your role played character as your real life one. Whatever you do in game, effects real players on the other ends of the cable and in that your in game actions indeed cause some out of game grief to others.
How people look at this is a completely different issue, and with that we get back to how mature people are.
I used to walk the long road to enlightment, but going from full carebear to full pirate in about 3 years gives me an interesting point of view on the issue at hand.
See: for a true carebear - the builder type - it is unimaginable why someone would want to hurt him. At that time i had the strong belief, that every pirate is an antisocial psychopat, with the sole goal of hurting others out of game (aka griefer). This is a common misconception coming from the fact, that the usual carebear sees no reason in attacking other players, hence they classify such actions as pointless acts of violence purely aimed to hurt people.
Then the carebear goes advanced, and joins an alliance. At this point, he will be faced with many pvpers who kill him just because he is member of a different alliance. What happens is essentially the same what happened in empire, but it now has an easily recognized reason, and as such it becomes 'acceptable'. Piracy of course will still be something the carebear is unable to really understand, but at least he makes the step of not judging all pvpers just for being pvpers.
The next step is to start PvPing and eventually all carebears either make that, or leave the game as i observed. Once they make it, they slowly explore the different ways and reasons of pvping and look at piracy with less and less hate.
As you PVP, the boundaries between random empire ganking and 0.0 patrols / raids become blurred. After all, calling an alliance enemies and going there to raid their carebears doesnt makes it more righteous than what a pirate does. The reasons are simply different.
This led me to the final realization, that everything is realtive. Who are we to determine what's good and what's bad? Most people do it selfishly anyway. "If it hurts me or my friends, its bad". "If it helps me or my friends, its good". Then again, what hurts me can help someone else, so it is good and bad at the same time. Contradiction here? Not really. It is how life truly works.
For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction. Which can be translated as: everything that is good for you hurts someone else somewhere just as much as it did help you. Maybe you have no idea of who it was, and so you make no second thoughts about it or you simply don't care. It still happens.
I got a little off track here. Bottomline is:
While piracy in general is a criminal act, and should not be praised, the pirates themselves are just as honorable and respectable as everyone else in the world. They simply have different goals and a different view on the world than the most.
Take me for example: i do take stuff away from others, but i do it for no other reason than to gain isk. This is my way of doing it. Am i bad? For my victims, i am for sure. After all, i hurt them. For me or my corp however, i'm doing a good thing. Let's not glorify piracy, but we should not look down at it either. It is just a different way of living. How you call it, doesn't matter. There is always an other side and other viewpoint i can pit against yours.
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Gabby05
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Posted - 2006.05.27 16:24:00 -
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wow so many alts posting i cant actually tell if their from mains of short fused miners or just one of the ops trying to get a flame war going .
You got 2 pages going well done you want a cookie now??
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Ren Dition
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Posted - 2006.05.27 17:29:00 -
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It's not whether pirates are good people or bad people. As someone pointed out, it is all pretty subjective. I am sure thier are some very nice pirate out there. Heck pirates may take all the ISK they steal and sell it on Ebay to help orphans for all we know.
But in the game, they are the people who kill us and take our stuff. They sneak up on us with tricked out BC's and kill our relatively defensles little frigates in what we though was safe space. They gang up on us with enough fire power to drop ships many times our size or hide out by a jumpgate and snipe us as we come in. Then they come to the boards and complain when we use dirty tricks to fight back.
To paraphrase everyones favorite catoon death row inmate, "I love pirate. No matter what you do to them, you don't feel bad."
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Morrigan Starlover
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Posted - 2006.05.27 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Drew Peacock
Originally by: Argentina
Are we not the same, do we not deserve the same rights as other people.
What rights are you thinking about? Perhaps, the right to go about your business without being harmed?
Don't talk drivel about rights, we are pirates. We invade systems and cause pain to those that would not cause us any pain.
And ofc they are going to fight back. They want us out of their systems. If dishonouring a 1v1 gets us to leave then the tactic has worked.
If you want your rights respected, then you have to respect the rights of others.
QFT
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