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Argentina
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:06:00 -
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Pirates are people too
Why do some people think they're above us pirates? Are we not the same, do we not deserve the same rights as other people. Why is dishonoring us justifiable while we have dishonored noone?
When someone asks us for a duel it's automatically justifiable to blob them because they are blow you, This Needs To Stop!
When someone kills us it's ok but when we kill someone else it's somehow wrong? This Needs To Stop!
Why are we below everyone, we're just people and we deserve the same rights as the next person!
This is why I'm starting a new club: Pirates are people too or P.A.P.T. for short.
Who's with me!?
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AkutAq
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: AkutAq on 24/05/2006 12:22:27
If you ***** us, do we not bleed? (edit: Ugg stupid filters...messing up Shakespeare)
If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you pod us, do we not die?
Pirates are people too!
Nice post 
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Adoro
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:25:00 -
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Agreed  
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Drew Peacock
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Argentina
Are we not the same, do we not deserve the same rights as other people.
What rights are you thinking about? Perhaps, the right to go about your business without being harmed?
Don't talk drivel about rights, we are pirates. We invade systems and cause pain to those that would not cause us any pain.
And ofc they are going to fight back. They want us out of their systems. If dishonouring a 1v1 gets us to leave then the tactic has worked.
If you want your rights respected, then you have to respect the rights of others.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.05.24 13:07:00 -
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I'm not a person 
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K'reemy G'udness
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:09:00 -
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Don't cry for me Argentina
The truth is I never left you
All through my wild days
My mad existence
I kept my promise
Don't keep your distance
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Cole Steel
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:21:00 -
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Your kidding right?
I'm mining away enjoying the game and you come ransome/pod/take mins from me and you want me to respect you? Your not thinking right. I make it a personal mission to pod/ kill/ disrupt game enjoyment of any pirate that thinks thats what he would like to do for fun in EvE. Dont get me wrong I know its allowed and I know it happened before I started playing but to say Im taking your stuff BUT you still have to like me? Maybe next time I'm podded I need to be transporting clues, as it seems some are in desperate need of them.
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AkutAq
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:35:00 -
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She never said you have to like us. She just said not to be dishonorable against us. We're (believe it or not) not being dishonorable against you. Sure you can argue this over and over again but it doesn't change the fact that there's a difference between breaking rules you set yourself and attacking someone who doesn't want to be attacked.
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Cole Steel
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:58:00 -
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So taking something that belongs to someone else with out there permission is not disshonerable?
I love the idea of pirates in the game it spices it up. I also love the idea of poding those who have it in their character to take from other people. So yeah I'm ok with pirating but to then ask for some kind of respect is pretty absurd. Anyway you cut it stealing is not honorable never has been and never will be in any since, game or RL. The only people who would have you believe this load  are people taking your stuff
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Sweetpain
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Posted - 2006.05.24 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Sweetpain on 24/05/2006 15:24:13
Originally by: Argentina
Pirates are people too
Why do some people think they're above us pirates? Are we not the same, do we not deserve the same rights as other people. Why is dishonoring us justifiable while we have dishonored noone?
When someone asks us for a duel it's automatically justifiable to blob them because they are blow you, This Needs To Stop!
When someone kills us it's ok but when we kill someone else it's somehow wrong? This Needs To Stop!
Why are we below everyone, we're just people and we deserve the same rights as the next person!
This is why I'm starting a new club: Pirates are people too or P.A.P.T. for short.
Who's with me!?
Well lets start on the top.
pirates in eve are not people, but the players that plays them are.
The result justify the means from a fiction point of view, pirates should be feared, hated and avoided by any not a pirate. But people have a hard time differ between fiction and real life, this is pirates to blame just as much as non pirates.
In a computer game a bad person is someone aiming to hurt the fiction character in the game, but the moment the person playing the bad fiction character are aiming at the person playing the other toon it chages.
If the intended target is the person behind the screen your actions are not considered hostile enviroment in a game anymore and are in most games considered an illegal act.
same is it when people misuse boards like this one. the discussion boards are discussions between people, there is no roleplaying in it, unless its a dedicated discussion board designed for this.
if you in game namecall another person as pirate then its a game, if you do it here it's not.
if you are going to work to correct the reputation of pirates in eve the boards is where you have to start with it, as long people playing pirates takes a long their fiction in game life to the boards they will never be taken serious either places.
Secondly: " We deserve the same rights as everyone else"
this is wrong you deserve nothing, but the same sandbox to play in as everyone else. What you deserve or not inside the game is just what you have earned to deserve.
if you kill someone else, you deserve to die eventually. if you stolen from someone you deserve to pay for it, eventually. if you called other people names or gave them silly labels in the game, you deserve what they grant you of silly names and labels.
honor is not something you go to the boards and demand others to give you, honor is just what you earn from others by them judging your actions in game.
there is alos different view of what is honorable and what is not, a pirate that beats overwheliming power in game might earn honor from their fellow pirates for a grand achivement, while others might consider it a dishonorable ambush of their convoy by a lone pirate ship.
now thats in game technics, out of game like in this board every side could recognize the brave task done by hitting that convoy alone against overwhelming power.
But that asumes people have the ability to differ between fiction and real people, something sadly have been proven over and over, in more games then just eve, that very few are capable of.
stopa moment and think of the two statement below and decide what is apropriate for you, then when you have decided remember the two every time you post on the boards.
-- I AM A PIRATE!
-- I roleplay a pirate in a game called EVE.
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Nyabinghi
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Posted - 2006.05.24 15:36:00 -
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Pirates kill for the thrill, usually weak unaggressive targets. They destroy others hard earned work. While arguably Bounty Hunters and such kill pirates for a thrill as well there is the consideration that killing a pirate, at least for a short while, makes EVE a safer, more enjoyable and profitable place for many. Pirates wave their rights when they choose to be parasites (not that penalties against thieves and murders amount to anything in EVE anyways) and so should have no more consideration one would have for a louse.
I make cool banners for ISK.
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Vosi
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Posted - 2006.05.24 15:51:00 -
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We are players who want to PvP and have found nothing but blue targets and huge boring Pos taking gangs in 0.0 and migrated back to empire.
The best way to get a fight is to attack everyone you have a slim chance of beating and any money we make just pays for our habbit.
Most pirates i have spoken too are mature players who are honorable with what they do and dont smack. The fact that people dont seem to understand that we are playing a diferent part of the game to them is their problem and i couldnt give a monkies if they hate my guts. In fact i think its pritty cool and provides us great entertainment.
The good ones of us do still have plenty of profesional honor tho.
So i couldnt care less if anyone likes me 
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Ayame Mishima
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Posted - 2006.05.24 16:25:00 -
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Me as the character could care less about others in game. Ayame is a pirate to the bones. Careing only for her own filthy life. She murders, robs and exploits people as she likes to. She doesn't care if others like her, she doesn't expect anyone to be truthful anyways.
Me as the player is a total difference. I of course, do see things in other ways than my character does. This is perfectly fine by me...
... as long as the "victim" looks at it the same way. And that is usually the problem. 
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Jaos Nekri
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Posted - 2006.05.24 16:53:00 -
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Sweetpain, will you marry me?
That was an incredible post, and hit so many good points that people need to keep in mind. Very well done.
Here's another question. When you're on the message boards, are you your character, or yourself?
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Lala Ru
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Posted - 2006.05.24 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Argentina
Pirates are people too
No they're not.
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K'reemy G'udness
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Posted - 2006.05.24 18:16:00 -
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Let me start by saying: what a stupid thread.
We have the same rights as everyone else. If someone does something "dishonorable", like violating the terms of a 1v1, then name and shame them on the forums like everyone else does. Not that it will make any difference.
"Why are we below everyone" ½ Maybe you are, but I'm not. Self-rightous people and people with no morals get popped the same as anyone else. Who gives a **** what they think of you?
Is this an age thing? I've noticed that people younger than thirty care alot more about what people think about them than people older than thirty.
Maybe it's just me.
Once again: very stupid thread.
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AkutAq
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Posted - 2006.05.24 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: K'reemy G'udness
Is this an age thing? I've noticed that people younger than thirty care alot more about what people think about them than people older than thirty.
Maybe it's just me.
Nah I think you're right. People under ~30 might as well care more, because they've got something to look forward to that might be lost if they mess up their reputation. All depends on what you look for in life. Want a nice family? Well once you're in your mid 30s you should already have one, maybe you don't but most do and that's why they don't have to be so self conscious. I'm 17 and I do care what people think, despite what I might say. Just the way young people are I guess.
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Lucia Warbler
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Posted - 2006.05.24 20:58:00 -
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Everything said here, I guess. I'll add a few words that no one will care to read.
There are people who care and there are people who do not. Personally I think that people who do not care should be purged in self-righteous fire. ;) On the other hand they bring, perhaps unknowingly, since they don't care after all, a fine role-playing element to the game. Who would the righteous people hunt if there were no pirates?
Anyway, it would grand if there was a server where you could avoid PvP compeletely. Just sometimes it would be nice not to be hunted when you just want to explore the game in peace. Dreams...
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2006.05.24 21:08:00 -
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FWIW breaking an agreement to duel is dishonorable. Period.
It matters not which party is or isn't a pirate and having a gang jump someone during a duel because they are a "pirate" in no way makes it ok. That is just cheap, dishonorable, dirty play of the lowest sort no matter who is doing it and there is no justification.
The EVE community should flame anyone who breaks the terms of a duel (whatever the terms agreed upon were) to the ends of the galaxy. Duelling can be fun and if that at least is held of high value by the community it wil be easier to get people to engage in duels as they do not need to woory about the gank squad waiting next door. If you'd rather not duel then don't agree to one and go about pillaging or mining as you please.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.05.24 21:12:00 -
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Pirates are very bad people who deserve no respect. Most of them beat their kids in real life, and steal from homeless people.
Next time you see a pirate, make sure you threaten him in real life, that's what they all deserve.
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Goonwave
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Posted - 2006.05.24 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Pirates are very bad people who deserve no respect. Most of them beat their kids in real life, and steal from homeless people.
Next time you see a pirate, make sure you threaten him in real life, that's what they all deserve.
i really do hope that was sarcasm
to the OP
if you feel that people dont respect you enough as a pirate, maybe you should stop being one!! If you pod someone and steal their goods, honestly, what do you expect from them? an evemail saying "HEY MAN< THAT WAS WHICKED HOW YOU SHOT ME DOWN WITH 20 MISSILES WHILE I"M SITTING HERE WITTLING AWAY WITH MY SUPER POWERFUL MINING 1 LASER"
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think for a moment, you are playing the role of scum, you really have no say in how others feel about you.
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Don ZOLA
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Posted - 2006.05.24 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Pirates are very bad people who deserve no respect. Most of them beat their kids in real life, and steal from homeless people.
Next time you see a pirate, make sure you threaten him in real life, that's what they all deserve.
qft , and they r no lifers so they have to molest ppl in game, they r also all 13yo, and they r worst scum on the earth.
dont forget the hate mails after threathening plz :D
mwhahahahaa
There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
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Hesed
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Posted - 2006.05.24 23:53:00 -
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Hey, I resemble that remark.
I don't know what the big deal is. The money of dishonorable people is just as easy to spend as that from honorable people.
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Voculus
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Posted - 2006.05.25 04:15:00 -
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Most pirates have huge egos, and no shame. How many times have we heard. "Eve would be boring without me."? How many times have we seen some 14 year-old playing with his mom's credit card smack away on the forums? "lol u deservd to get podded lol cos im liek uber pvp zomg stabs no fair"
Finally, how many garbage thread like this have we seen? Wow, another pirate begging for attention and sympathy.
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Salizan Revan
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Posted - 2006.05.25 05:07:00 -
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I was just wondering how do you become a pirate because it seems alot funer stealing someones hard earned work than doing the work yourself. Plus the thrill of going into battle and taking back the rewards and then can say "i killed 5 people today and im happy about it". ok i might sound a little sick and twisted but i want to become a pirate becouse I want to be the one making people feel scared and make them run and then hunt them down. I know i might still be a little new but I would be very happy is i could join a band of PIRATES.
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Jonathan Davis
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Posted - 2006.05.25 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Don ZOLA
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Pirates are very bad people who deserve no respect. Most of them beat their kids in real life, and steal from homeless people.
Next time you see a pirate, make sure you threaten him in real life, that's what they all deserve.
qft , and they r no lifers so they have to molest ppl in game, they r also all 13yo, and they r worst scum on the earth.
dont forget the hate mails after threathening plz :D
mwhahahahaa
QFT
Please people, don't humour pirates. They are all SadoMasochists who enjoy hurting other people, and are the kind of l33tkids who ruined all the other MMOs. No pirates have honour, otherwise they'd mine all day like the rest of us - everyone knows that is far more fun to normal people.
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Quebber
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Posted - 2006.05.25 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: AkutAq
Edited by: AkutAq on 24/05/2006 12:22:27
If you ***** us, do we not bleed? (edit: Ugg stupid filters...messing up Shakespeare)
If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you pod us, do we not die?
Pirates are people too!
Nice post
Wrong us, shall we not revenge! 
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s4xon
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Posted - 2006.05.25 11:12:00 -
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Nice post.
Having read most of the comments here I can see this is and always will be a hotly contested point.
As a founder member of Flashman Services , a very old anti-pirate corp. I have to say in my opinion pirates definatley have their place in the game. Think about it, if you didnt ever have the risk of losing something wouldn't the game be incredibly dull and pointless?
Regarding the guys that lose mining cans. You would be better to view it that nothing is yours until you have it safely hauled to the station, until then it is "free" for a pirate to take.
Eve is a succesful game beacuse of the freedom people have to do what they want. I understand the frustration of newer players when pirates gank them, it happened to me waaaay back and i got really annoyed about it, but then I just turned my arm to training all the skills i would need to defend against it.
I agree with the poster , pirates are people too. They should not expect "respect" from those that they blow up. But without them we would have nothing to fear, nothing to get excited about, nothing to work towards. Pirates live by the sword and die by it, all us "good guys" can hope is that they die by it more often ;0)
I respect anyone in the game that plays it in good spirit, pirate or not. Conitnual griefing from pirates is not worthy of respect, but those occasional visits are excellent to keep new players on their toes and allow them to learn how to cope with the "dark side" ;0)
Fly safe.
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Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.05.25 11:21:00 -
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Pirating would not be any fun if I didnt get te regular death threats or hate mails.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.05.25 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 25/05/2006 11:28:29
People are roughly split 50/50 between those who understand pirating, and those who do not.
Even within pirating circles, people do it for different reasons.
For some pirates, its an economic choice - its very profitable. For others, its an ego thing, they want to inflate their killboard rankings popping nublets with Tempests at stargates. Others enjoy the thrill of the chase through belts, taking on a variety of PvP challenges because they enjoy that aspect of the game.
For me its mainly the latter, I'm rich enough not to care about the income, and I don't gate gank. But you don't get enough targets when anti-pirating, so you have to open things up to neutrals to ensure you have fun playing the game.
I'm not out to ruin anyones day, or be 'evil', I just want to have some fun.
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