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Temujin Destovai	Posted - 2003.09.23 11:50:00 - [61] Quote: I think I would be safe in assuming that, were I to choose to war against one of your allies, you would consider me an enemy. The CA is the start of something new. Past is irrelevant. This may help explain the variety of corporations involved. It's unfortunate that Xanadu and Sinister can't yet resolve their issues. However, as Fountain will aid it's allies, so will Curse. I have no desire for a confrontation between us, but I will do as I promised. I will honor the strength of the members of Curse as you honor Xanadu regardless of past, for our eyes are on the future. First off the Sinister / FA conflict reaches back way before the forming of the Curse Coalition. Evolution even made a post on these very boards announcing that any corps giving refugee to Sinister would be considered enemies. So in reality you chose to go to war with us, when you allied yourself to a corporation which is at war with the entire Eve Univserse, not the other way around. I find it funny how you say that the "CA is something new, and that the past is irrelevant", because its not that simple. What your saying is.. that If a unit of mass imurderers, and killers, goes around destroying, stealing, and scamming people for several months, and then all of the sudden decides to say: 'Hey we've killed enough now, we got all the cash, and corpses we need, we wanna sit back in some region and take it easy for a while, so all our enemies please leave us alone, mkay? I mean dont talk about the past... I mean its only the past.. etc etc etc' That everyone should just accept that they are now "nice" and lay off them, because hey "people change?". Ya right. I suggest Oracle take a sniff of fresh air and look at the reality of the situation. You guys have just thrown any credibility you might have had away. Minmatar Scum, join Common Scum. Curse, one big melting pot. The Chronicles of Xanadu
KilROCK	Posted - 2003.09.23 11:51:00 - [62] I told you guys to take their whine and not just their cheese
Rising Sin	Posted - 2003.09.23 12:12:00 - [63] Quote: First off the Sinister / FA conflict reaches back way before the forming of the Curse Coalition What's Curse Coalition? -- "If they're shooting at you, you know you must be doing something right."
Temujin Destovai	Posted - 2003.09.23 12:17:00 - [64] Quote: Quote: First off the Sinister / FA conflict reaches back way before the forming of the Curse Coalition What's Curse Coalition? coÀaÀliÀtion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-lshn) n. An alliance, especially a temporary one, of people, factions, parties, or nations. A combination into one body; a union. Due to the fact that you have not given out a name or anything of the like, I used coalition instead of alliance, since I thought it wouldnt be too hard for you to be 1 and 1 together and come to the conclusion I was talking about you..... The Chronicles of Xanadu
The Red	Posted - 2003.09.23 13:15:00 - [65] It's sad to see the boards used as an arena for a ****ing contest. I don't have to prove anything here. We'll all know soon enough what happens. -The Red <Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward>
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.09.23 13:21:00 - [66] Edited by: Discorporation on 23/09/2003 13:22:10 Quote: It's sad to see the boards used as an arena for a ****ing contest. I don't have to prove anything here. We'll all know soon enough what happens. Ohh? So, you're allright with laying the smack on corps on the IC Summit, but when you're attacked for real in-game behaviour, you want to back out? Get Sarkos in here or Wren, they put up a decent fight. [Heterocephalus glaber]
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.23 13:42:00 - [67] Quote: It's sad to see the boards used as an arena for a ****ing contest. I don't have to prove anything here. We'll all know soon enough what happens. Though Oracle made it to our KOS list for fighting us in the jove event, I always thought very highly of you guys. I'm sad to see you're now camping jump in points along with the likes of Sinister and Red Corsairs. Well, you've made your choice. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2003.09.23 13:58:00 - [68] Faisal Khan, if you are reading this under one name or the other, just know this: I thought better of you. I respected you for what you fought for, for your ideals. But have you lost sight of that in favour of the quick gains of piracy? There is a subtle difference, a thin line, between a freedom fighter and a terrorist. You may argue that it depends on the viewpoint, but like Socrates said, all words have some shred of fundamental truth to them, some unerring meaning that can't be deterred or warped through distortion of surface truth. By joining hands with known pirates, known terrorists, you crossed that fine line yourselves. To the rest of the Curse Coalition: We suffered attacks from SINC and RUS a mere week before this came to be. Attacks that were purely piratical in nature, pre-emptive and brutal. We fended them off, and they ran to Curse. Now they claim to have renounced their murderous ways, and persist in telling everyone that the past doesn't matter, that former crimes are moot and the hundreds of millions of property damage will just have to go unpaid, that the victims of their attacks will just have to deal with it and accept the fact that the people that murdered, stole and demolished have been acquitted. I for one will not yield to this abhorrent logic and distortion of truth. Faisal, in losing sight of your own goal, you gave me a worthy ambition; to rid the world of EVE of people like you. Plato once said that no-one is inherently evil, but commits evil out of need. I have seen SINC commit evil every day of the week out of greed.
Lianhaun	Posted - 2003.09.23 14:43:00 - [69] there can only be an absolute thruth if we were certain of an all powerfull God. If we dont accept God, we dont accept absolute thruth. And with all politics, it is a matter of perspective and fancy talk. We have lived long past Socrates and although he was wise in his own way, his words no longer matter for this age. This is not a hijack
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2003.09.23 15:24:00 - [70] Faisal's been MIA for over a month
The Red	Posted - 2003.09.23 16:27:00 - [71] Quote: Edited by: Discorporation on 23/09/2003 13:22:10 So, you're allright with laying the smack on corps on the IC Summit, but when you're attacked for real in-game behaviour, you want to back out? Get Sarkos in here or Wren, they put up a decent fight. The IC posts are in character. PIE and Oracle are having a RP war for fun. I would like to believe that both corps have respect for one another. As such, posting "smack" for some kicks is all part of the good times had by all. This is different for a number of reasons: 1) I have no reason to respect you. 2) The members of PIE are generally experts at understanding posts. Meaning that my response here would not be necessary. 3) Your goal is not to have fun, but to discredit. (Which, ok, can be fun for some people) Please refer to my previous post about the actions of Curse members not yet representing the actions of the whole. I've never pirated and I never will. I am not being attacked for any in-game behavior. I'm being attacked for having the balls to post in a thread full of angry people. My post was meant to inform readers about the current state of Curse, nothing else. Alternatively I might have said nothing and this thread might have died off. However, now people who are actually curious about Curse have something to think about. I have also never backed down. Thank you. -The Red <Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward>
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.23 16:40:00 - [72] Quote: I've never pirated and I never will. I am not being attacked for any in-game behavior. Whether you are a pirate/terrorist is irrelevant. When you ally yourself with the likes of Sinister and Red Corsairs you will be attacked. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.09.23 16:42:00 - [73] Quote: The IC posts are in character. PIE and Oracle are having a RP war for fun. I would like to believe that both corps have respect for one another. As such, posting "smack" for some kicks is all part of the good times had by all. Hm, I wonder how this affects the RP wars, now that Oracle's allied to a known group of killers, thieves and cutthroats. There goes your PR campaign, hehe. Quote: This is different for a number of reasons: 1) I have no reason to respect you. 2) The members of PIE are generally experts at understanding posts. Meaning that my response here would not be necessary. 3) Your goal is not to have fun, but to discredit. (Which, ok, can be fun for some people) 1) Irrelevant, as you know 2) Also irrelevant. You'll begin to notice that soon enough when Xanadu and evo decide not to pull their punches. 3) Nah. My goal is to have fun and discredit people. Quote: Please refer to my previous post about the actions of Curse members not yet representing the actions of the whole. Hehe, pull the other one, it's got bells on. Quote: I've never pirated and I never will. I am not being attacked for any in-game behavior. I'm being attacked for having the balls to post in a thread full of angry people. My post was meant to inform readers about the current state of Curse, nothing else. Oracle will be attacked for in-game behaviour, namely, allying itself with SINC and others Quote: Alternatively I might have said nothing and this thread might have died off. However, now people who are actually curious about Curse have something to think about. I have also never backed down. Thank you. Hmm. No. It'd had jumped to another thread (much like the Venal thing). It's all in good fun, of course. I like you Oracle guys. Shame you squandered the name and the reputation, though. [Heterocephalus glaber]
The Red	Posted - 2003.09.23 17:16:00 - [74] Edited by: The Red on 23/09/2003 17:17:43 So, ok. Let's say your brother kills someone. Then he has some realization that basically means a new, better life. Do you give him a chance, if for no other reason than the greatness of his vision, or turn him in and abandon that dream? And if you choose to defend his desire for something new and great, should you too be shot for believing in that goal? You are very "I'm-right-you're-wrong-and-that's-that". The stance you take orders the universe to follow your hatred. This sort of command goes against everything you claim to uphold. You do not rule this universe. Your laws are not absolute. You have no right to assume a holy position against something you obviously don't understand. I lived in Stain for a number of weeks before I was forced out at gunpoint by your prideful friends. You will not take my new home. It's the best place I've known in the Eve universe where I'm free to do as I choose. I think that most of Curse feels the same, and I'll be damned if a couple self-righteous brats who fly from the safety of their already established empires will rob us of this to salvage a little lost pride. We're here to stay. You can either grow beside us or feed our fires as you have been since the war began. I doubt that you have among your combined forced an equal number of people passionate for this cause. Do not mistake my posts as compromising or weak. You know that, regarding the security of our new home, we are neither. -The Red <Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward>
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.09.23 17:18:00 - [75] If Sinc are reformed, explain to me why they attack people not on the Curse KOS list, ta. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Art Dillinja	Posted - 2003.09.23 17:25:00 - [76] Edited by: Art Dillinja on 23/09/2003 17:27:27 Let me put it very simple for you: If we allied PIE, we would be at war with you automatically. you agree so far? good, lets continue: If you ally SINC, you are at war with us automatically. You ally our enemy. You become our enemy. The fact that you allied the enemies of almost everyone in eve just adds some extra flavour. And now you expect us to just forget about all the past issues?
Homo Erectus	Posted - 2003.09.23 17:28:00 - [77] Quote: So, ok. Let's say your brother kills someone. Then he has some realization that basically means a new, better life. Do you give him a chance, if for no other reason than the greatness of his vision, or turn him in and abandon that dream? you make it sound like sinister and co are not pirates anymore. yesterday, they said they were.
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.09.23 17:36:00 - [78] Why exactly is TTI on Sinisters KOS list? I thought everyone knew TTI was Sininsters employer and paid them big bucks to do their dirty work!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.09.23 17:56:00 - [79] It's because everybody hates a hypocrit Ulsten, even their ex-employees ;) Love and peace JF Public Forum
KONDIN	Posted - 2003.09.23 18:01:00 - [80] It's very ironic that RUS, who has declared war on the SA because they believed no one should controll andy part of free space,be controlling a piece of free space....What HIPACRITS.
Lianhaun	Posted - 2003.09.23 18:01:00 - [81] Quote: If Sinc are reformed, explain to me why they attack people not on the Curse KOS list, ta. I think they are not reformed, its just trendy to give a spin on what you are really doing. This is not a hijack
The Red	Posted - 2003.09.23 18:10:00 - [82] Quote: Edited by: Art Dillinja on 23/09/2003 17:27:27 Let me put it very simple for you: If we allied PIE, we would be at war with you automatically. you agree so far? good, lets continue: If you ally SINC, you are at war with us automatically. You ally our enemy. You become our enemy. The fact that you allied the enemies of almost everyone in eve just adds some extra flavour. And now you expect us to just forget about all the past issues? I'm not saying you aren't our enemy for the moment. I'm saying that this in unfortunate. I also didn't ask you to forgive anyone. I said simply that I have. You do whatever you please. I do not speak for Sinister. They speak for themselves as does every corp within Curse. I do not know their inner workings. I do know that they will help protect my home from the likes of you, people who seem all to eager claim universal rights. This makes them my allies in defense. Now let me make it simple for you: If you come to my home and attack me, I'll defend myself. Seems fair enough, don't you think? If a person stands beside me in combat to protect my way of life, I'll defend their character and strength. Leave my home. Leave me free. I'll be a bloody stump before I let you corporate behemoths rule here as well. Isn't that clear enough? What else could you possiby not understand? Yes, Sinister has been involved in pirate activities. You other alliances have had your share of murdering and taking what you thought should be yours. Now that you have it and your enemies are scattered or dead are your hands clean? No, by your own verdict of guilt based upon past they are not. If you're determined take this away from us then build more guns and take off those damn halos. Now buggar off and go pick on someone you can handle. -The Red <Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward>
Art Dillinja	Posted - 2003.09.23 18:18:00 - [83] Quote: I do know that they will help protect my home from the likes of you, people who seem all to eager claim universal rights Holy moly... Once again: 1st - you know SINC is at war with the FA 2nd - you ally them 3rd - you tell me that you need to ally them to protect you from us? Do i really have to spell it out for you?
The Red	Posted - 2003.09.23 18:31:00 - [84] Edited by: The Red on 25/09/2003 14:46:19 Quote: Holy moly... Once again: 1st - you know SINC is at war with the FA 2nd - you ally them 3rd - you tell me that you need to ally them to protect you from us? Do i really have to spell it out for you? 1st - Yes. 2nd - Yes. 3rd - No. But if I have an alliance coming after me it makes sense to protect myself with an alliance. So basically you just repeated what you already stated and I confirmed. You're arguing a dead point. Move on to something else. Next! -The Red <Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward>
Art Dillinja	Posted - 2003.09.23 18:36:00 - [85] Quote: Quote: Holy moly... Once again: 1st - you know SINC is at war with the FA 2nd - you ally them 3rd - you tell me that you need to ally them to protect you from us? Do i really have to spell it out for you? 1st - Yes. 2nd - Yes. 3rd - No. But if I have an alliance coming after me it makes sense to protect myself with an alliance. So basically you just repeated what you already stated and I confirmed. You're arguing a dead point. Move on to something else. I ask that you find your brain before your next post. Next! Ok. You obviously are dumb. You allied SINC to protect you from FA who became hostile because you allied SINC. Stand in line for the political mastermind of the year award now.
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.09.23 18:37:00 - [86] Very simple You wouldn't have an alliance after you if you hadn't allied with SINC I think that's the point art is trying to make [Heterocephalus glaber]
Art Dillinja	Posted - 2003.09.23 18:41:00 - [87] Quote: Very simple You wouldn't have an alliance after you if you hadn't allied with SINC I think that's the point art is trying to make If he doesnt get it now i'll give up. :/
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.09.23 18:46:00 - [88] 'S okay, art, he's new to this ;) [Heterocephalus glaber]
Detaitiv	Posted - 2003.09.23 18:58:00 - [89] I thought he was just doing a very fine job rping a minmatar.
Mr Blonde	Posted - 2003.09.23 19:46:00 - [90] That guy wins idiot of the month award. The competition was awed.

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