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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 22/09/2003 23:36:00
It has become apparent that Sinister / RUS / m0o / Fatal Shadows / Orion Syndicate /The Legitamate Businessmans Club and various of their pirate allies have fled, or "relocated from" as they like to call it, their previous home to Curse and have setup shop there. To ensure that their base of operations is
not endangered while they continue to attack people outside of curse, they have recruited a "flak shield" of various formerly respected corporations. [These corporations include: Nomads, Oracle, Adamite Inheritance, Tychell Corp, Vandalay Industries, Knights of the Minmatar Republic, Shinra, STK Scientific, and others who are not yet confirmed]
So after talking to some of these nice chaps, we discovered that although Sinister is killing everyone not in the Curse alliance (aka 98% of Eve) that the rest of them only fire on people who have been marked down on the regional KOS list. Luckily for them, this list is regularly updated to include any people who have the intent to enter this region in an attempt to attack Sinister / RUS / m0o.
So although we have never had any problems with the aforementioned corps, we cannot allow Sinister to attack our homelands, just to be granted immunity because a few corps have grown a heart for griefers. Therefore we have asked around and are assembling a KOS list to be used by those corps who see it fit to defend Sinister and their pirate allies against those who seek revenge for their previous losses.
Ok so lets get this list started with corps that have already earned a place on the "Curse Alliance" KOS list..
Blade Runner Corp
Evolution
Freedom Corp
Grumpy Old Farts
Infinicorp
KOD interstellar
MASS
Roving Guns Inc. (RG)
Spacepills
S******dly
The Collective
TTI
Xanadu
Zombie Inc.
m3g4
Space Invaders
BIG
O.E.C
PULSAR
AF Holdings inc.
Danger Incorporated
Jericho
If you feel THEY have missed you, and you also have a bone to pick with Sinister, please speak up in this thread, so their defenders know who to shoot =)
editing to keep updated, sorry for any errors leyla :p
The Chronicles of Xanadu |
Runefinger
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:28:00 -
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mmmm were already on it what did we do wrong :P
we only chased them out off outerring.....
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feroci0us
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:38:00 -
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i believe we should be added to that list, considering our outer ring fun;)
** Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance **
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Rust
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Rust on 22/09/2003 22:40:07
Very interesting. I think those corps in allience with these pirates had better make it clear whether they wish to fight SA in general -and MASS in particular.
I know KOS lists can be misleading, so now is your chance to state clearly what your intention towards SA is.
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Lord UnderTaker
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:39:00 -
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You should add us aswell 
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Renbo
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:45:00 -
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Its only fair that we will be on that list too.
Let me rephrase that, I demand that we are added to that list.
There.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:50:00 -
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ROFL, a regional pirate conspiracy are calling m0o / RUS / SinC et al for greivers.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:51:00 -
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what ? we're not on it ? I demand this to be changed ! 
On vacations (need a new sig too) |
voodoo
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:52:00 -
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On our way to Curse
yippie more content
The Blue Pills Make Me Happy |
Majin Buu
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:56:00 -
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nice to see that theres actually corps out there stupid enough to do sins/rus's dirty work. What do you think will happen to all these "curse alliance" corpse that fight SA? ill give u 1 guess...they will lose ships all over the place, when they go running back to sin/RUS shouting for help they will get told to get lost, if they dont then they will be killed by rus/sin just like rus/sin have done b4 with other "allies"
BoB KillBoard |
SirMolle
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:56:00 -
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Sheesh, we are already on it, cant i demand to be put on it then?
On a more serious note. Those harbouring SINC et al, live in danger. Just a friendly hint. EVOL has already previously stated that we will attack SINC, and have been doing so.
SINC then proceeded to "move away" from FD-MLJ and PF-346 as well as 4C-B7X.
I would very much like to hear form the rest of the Curse Alliance if they will fight SINC's wars as well as harbouring SINC?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
And make no mistake SINC, we are coming for YOU.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:58:00 -
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I believe it would only be fair to consider Jericho and the New Venal Alliance for that list also. Since we have declared an avowedly anti-pirate stance and pledged ourselves to a war against illegals and murdering psychopaths in our own territory and beyond, 'twould be only right and just for our ships to be similarly counted foes of these villains in Curse besides.
In anycase, since many of our friends are being so listed it would be mean-spirited and wrong to leave them flapping in the wind without our idealistic and fair support.
Love and peace
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.09.22 22:58:00 -
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Interesting to see Oracle, Nomads and the other half of the Minmatar Slave opponents playing the part of Sinister muppets now...
Well who says Minmatar arent up for a suprise once in a while..  |
Derek
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:03:00 -
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I dunno how TTI got on that list...what wish us giving them money all the time and paying them for kills .../me rolls eyes
_______________________________________________2005.05.02 03:56:57combatYour Mega Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Sansha's Battletower, wrecking for 1190.5 damage._ |
Detaitiv
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:04:00 -
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I thought it was just tradition now to put TTI on the KOS list.
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Raidek
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:04:00 -
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neat
-Raidek
CEO, Sinister Corp.
Proud Member of the Curse Alliance
http://www.afraidyet.net |
Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:05:00 -
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it's too bad that nomads and oracle are fighting for sinister now.
i thought they were above that.
this is also proof that oracle are not the intelligent freedom fighters they claim to be, merely just pirate scum that fights alongside pirate scum.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 22/09/2003 23:09:39
I posted but then got bored cos you people bore me...
So i'll go with raidek on this one.
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:10:00 -
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Please add the OEC to the mentioned list.
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Leyla
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:11:00 -
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Temujin at least get the KOS list right before you post it lol. 3 of the corps at the bottom aren't even on it and you are missing Space Invaders. Geez, details! details!
Sinister isnt a pirate corp, we are the new military arm of the new Curse Alliance. Same role MASS or Evol has with their respective "regional" alliance. Call us pirates and name yourselves that also.
MASS hasn't had any success at all trying to come into Curse for the past 4 days, now who is sitting in DSS-EZ? Us on your home turf waiting for some action.
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:12:00 -
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You still want to be a bigshot stav, go back to sleep, this only concerns ppl who play.
Now, could we get a answer from the rest of CA?
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:15:00 -
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Sinister isnt a pirate corp
"Sinister PR"
ouch.
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:15:00 -
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Oh.. too bad.. you had just posted such a nice load of rubbish :)
Oh btw, since you moved to Curse we have confirmed kills of several unaffiliated pilots in Catch, Syndicate, and other regions of space.. so please cut the crap stav.
The Chronicles of Xanadu |
Triniton
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:20:00 -
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What did my litle 6 member corp do to earn a place on that list with all those big corps
ZOMBIE PRUNES! |
Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:22:00 -
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dude, that is awesome.
a kid from sinister saying sinister isnt a pirate corp! omfg best evar!
next thing you know, sin will be crying because ppl are killing them because they were once pirates, but aren't any longer!
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
HOMO I AM SOMEBODY...SOMEBODY WHO SAYS WHAT NO ONE ELSE IN CAREBEAR REALM DARE SAY, YOUR A GREIFER WHO IS A LEGEND IN YOUR OWN MIND! YOU NEED TO WAKE FROM YOUR DILUSION THAT EVERYONE LIKES YOU AND THAT YOUR THE MASTER OF EVE.
- fanboy, Q1 2004 |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:30:00 -
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"I dunno how TTI got on that list...what wish us giving them money all the time and paying them for kills .../me rolls eyes"
... Oh, my! looks like you got stabbed in the back by your friends...again.
(just playing along, sorry :s~)
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: The Reclaimer on 22/09/2003 23:44:00
I see, its ok for Stain and Fountain to have alliances (even crumbling ones you know who I am talking about) but other people cannot? Both Stain and Fountain kill pppl for going on their turf, but others cannot? Maybe I missed something, but did you get the copyright on forming alliances? You can call Sinister what you want, but as you don't know whats happening all you do is can offer is conjecture.
You can run around labling people, but so can we. Evolution and MASS are no different that pirates if they kill ppl in their area, because Stain and Fountain are not Empires and dont have the backing of Concord. So, I ask what is the difference?
edit: Your KOS list isnt accurate at all. Please use accurate information in the future.
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Carmine Tylus
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Posted - 2003.09.23 00:04:00 -
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It is clear to me that some people posting on this forum are merely excercising petty grudges. Evolution don't like Sinister so they say "Kill them all!". MASS don't like Sinister so they say "SIN MUST DIE!!". Drop it. I have known members of sinister and defended my new home in Curse alongside them and many other members of our alliance, an alliance in which Sinister is only a part of. They do not rule, but help the alliance rule. Many of them are good people, honourable people and I consider them friends. So do not think of it as Sinister any more. Think of it as Curse. And do not bother us, there are members of Curse who shoot first rather than ask questions, just as there are such members in every alliance. If you don't make trouble with us, we won't make trouble with you.
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The Red
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Posted - 2003.09.23 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: The Red on 23/09/2003 01:46:11
Edited by: The Red on 23/09/2003 01:30:42
I'd say that a vast majority of posters on this topic have no clue what's going on, and just like to talk  That said,
I think I can speak for Oracle in stating that while we aren't above working alongside others, we're not a bunch of "muppets".
CA in it's current state is relatively new, and is thus ironing out an expected number of kinks. My apologies if you're one of them.
Unless you have business in Curse I advice you stay clear until our methods have become stable. The actions of individuals do not yet represent the actions of our whole. We will soon be able to present a clearer image of the practices and ideals of CA.
If you feel that your war with some of our members must be brought immediately to the entire entity that is CA, understand that it is in fact a hornets nest of experienced pilots you're flying through. I advise all who do not fit the above description to wait a short while until we have settled into a less "explosive" entity.
CA is not a pirate organization. We have wars like any other alliance or corporation might. The reason we are currently so defensive of our space can be explained by reading every post that came prior to this one. Our enemies are vast.
I interpret the initial post as a rallying call by a corp who apparently would like to wreak some vengence upon CA. It is unfortunate that we are already seen as a threat by some other powerful alliances. I believe this credits our strength.
It is not your war unless it is your desire to make it so. Know that I would rather regard any of you a friend than strike you as my enemy, but with regards to our desire to prosper in safety...
"...any hand that tries to keep that from us shall be swiftly cut down."
Thanks for your time and interest.
-The Red
<Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward> |
Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.09.23 01:25:00 -
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Edited by: Art Dillinja on 23/09/2003 01:26:55
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This post was intended as a rallying call by a corp who would like to wreak vengence upon CA. It is not your war unless it is your desire to make it so. Know that I would rather regard any of you a friend than strike you as my enemy.
If you want to be a friend rather than a foe, dont ally our foes. We never had a problem with you in the past. We dont have a problem with a new established Curse Alliance.
The point is:
You knew about the state of war between SINC (plus flak corps) and the Fountain Alliance.
Yet you decided to ally them.
I tried to get an answer to this riddle from Sarkos the other day, but he prefered to feel insulted and ended the conversation.
Maybe you can clear this up for me better than your pirate friends. 
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.09.23 01:30:00 -
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with anyluck..in 2 weeks theyll all be at each other's throats and a month after that..will wipe themselves out
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Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
Rufferto
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Posted - 2003.09.23 01:42:00 -
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Well, actually Sinister ARE a pirate corp, as in camping the notorious MJ gate in empire space for the past 2-3 months with or without their Moo allies.
Yeah, I AM a pirate and i¦m proud of it
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The Red
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Posted - 2003.09.23 01:43:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: Art Dillinja on 23/09/2003 01:26:55
If you want to be a friend rather than a foe, dont ally our foes. We never had a problem with you in the past. We dont have a problem with a new established Curse Alliance.
The point is:
You knew about the state of war between SINC (plus flak corps) and the Fountain Alliance.
Yet you decided to ally them.
I think I would be safe in assuming that, were I to choose to war against one of your allies, you would consider me an enemy. The CA is the start of something new. Past is irrelevant. This may help explain the variety of corporations involved.
It's unfortunate that Xanadu and Sinister can't yet resolve their issues. However, as Fountain will aid it's allies, so will Curse. I have no desire for a confrontation between us, but I will do as I promised. I will honor the strength of the members of Curse as you honor Xanadu regardless of past, for our eyes are on the future.
-The Red
<Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward> |
Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.09.23 01:52:00 -
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Quote:
I think I would be safe in assuming that, were I to choose to war against one of your allies, you would consider me an enemy. The CA is the start of something new. Past is irrelevant. This may help explain the variety of corporations involved.
It's unfortunate that Xanadu and Sinister can't yet resolve their issues. However, as Fountain will aid it's allies, so will Curse. I have no desire for a confrontation between us, but I will do as I promised. I will honor the strength of the members of Curse as you honor Xanadu regardless of past, for our eyes are on the future.
Strong words.
I wonder why your CEO wasnt able to answer this question the other day. He prefered to feel insulted and ended the conversation.
Anyway. You brought war to Curse by allying a known enemy of both Fountain and Stain. There never were issues between FA and Curse in the past, so I guess you had your own reasons to change this.
I still have a lot of respect for Oracle from way back in the beta. Let's see if your new pirate allies share your strong sense of honour.
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Rebellion
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Posted - 2003.09.23 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Rebellion on 23/09/2003 01:57:19
We are going after Sinc. Anyone that stands in out way will be removed.
The non-pirate corporations that moved into Curse with Sinc will not be excempt from this. If you have allied yourselves with Sinc, you will be destroyed. We have announced this several days ago in very clear terms in order for people to know it beforehand. If this alliance was made in full knowledge of that then it is flying in the face of our position.
Attacking people other than our target is not preferred by us but if it must be done, it will. The corps being used as a shield need to reevaluate their position as soon as possible before they suffer losses.
Honoring alliances is not always the right path. You honor the alliances that are built upon honor, not ones theat are built upon deception. For anything that is null and void at its inception will not give birth to anything worthy.
You will have to decide and act soon because we will not wait for an answer. This is no time for you to feel insulted or get emotional, this is not the time to idle in indecision. Every hour you wait is an hour where we move closer.
We will not be kept from our target. No matter how decent their protectors are. No matter how experienced their pilots are. No matter how vast their funds are. No matter how innocent they are. We will not be kept from our prey.
Do not test our resolve. This is my first and last appeal.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.09.23 01:57:00 -
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Quote:
We are going after Sinc. Anyone that stands in out way will be removed.
The non-pirate corporations that moved into Curse with Sinc will not be excempt from this. If you have allied yourselves with Sinc, you will be destroyed. We have announced this several days ago in very clear terms in order for people to know it beforehand. If this alliance was made in full knowledge of that then it is flying in the face of our position.
Attacking people other than our target is not preferred by us but if it must be done, it will. The corps being used as a shield need to reevaluate their position as soon as possible before they suffer losses.
You will have to decide and act soon because we will not wait for an answer. This is no time for you to feel insulted or get emotional, this is not the time to idle in indecision. Every hour you wait is an hour where we move closer.
We will not be kept from our target. No matter how decent their protectors are. No matter how experienced their pilots are. No matter how vast their funds are. No matter how innocent they are. We will not be kept from our prey.
Do not test our resolve. This is my first and last appeal.
LOL, you are a dolt. By the way, how is Fountain these days, LOL.
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Nasty Ways
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Posted - 2003.09.23 02:01:00 -
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LOL, you are a dolt. By the way, how is Fountain these days, LOL.
Keep out of things you dont understand. Your masters can handle this. No, seriously they can. They are political masterminds.
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who didnt know
that there are
NO FAIR FIGHTS
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.09.23 02:02:00 -
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Quote:
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LOL, you are a dolt. By the way, how is Fountain these days, LOL.
Keep out of things you dont understand. Your masters can handle this. No, seriously they can. They are political masterminds.
The funny thing is that you need to remove your foot from your mouth before speaking.
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Nasty Ways
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Posted - 2003.09.23 02:05:00 -
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You are helping out Stavr0s with the PR now?
Good job.
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who didnt know
that there are
NO FAIR FIGHTS
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.09.23 02:08:00 -
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Quote:
You are helping out Stavr0s with the PR now?
Good job.
Its always nice to be in good company.
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Rebellion
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Posted - 2003.09.23 02:09:00 -
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I am a dolt.
You are afraid.
We are now sufficiently introduced.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.09.23 02:16:00 -
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Quote:
I am a dolt.
You are afraid.
We are now sufficiently introduced.
I am afraid? I am afraid that you smell sir.
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Revolution
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Posted - 2003.09.23 02:18:00 -
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Quote:
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You are helping out Stavr0s with the PR now?
Good job.
Its always nice to be in good company.
board warriors united eh
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FlyinFish Shriker
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Posted - 2003.09.23 02:30:00 -
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wow, that's cool, We finally got somewhere nearby to attack instead of 100+ jumps. lol
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Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.09.23 06:20:00 -
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Funny how some people here appears to have forgotten what Evolution was prior to FA.
Hipocrits is the only word I can find for you people.
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NoctoZ
Black Reign
Curse Alliance |
Revolution
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Posted - 2003.09.23 06:30:00 -
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what was that notcoz?
cmon, spit it out?
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Rebellion
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Posted - 2003.09.23 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: Rebellion on 23/09/2003 07:03:35
We have never made exploiting people into a means of livelihood. There is a difference between pirates who fight for personal profit and those to fight when they have to. There is a difference between pirates that kill indiscriminately in order to build a reputation with which to intimidate players and those that gain a reputation for unyielding tenacity in fighting for a stated goal.
And there is a difference between an alliance where allies are used as shields to hide behind while pursuing a policy of parasitic exploitation and an alliance where allies are treated as partners in preserving an independent way of life.
Unfortunately many people do not seem to be capable of seeing this difference. Some choose to promote false definitions of the concepts for their own benefit, while others choose a more myopic view because of cloudy emotions.
Eventually people see the distinction. That is when they have decided to move forward and the game is allowed to evolve.
The real corporations inside Curse know that the pirates are parasites. They will prey on the weak, they will prey on the defenceless, they will feed off of the strength of their "allies". Why let a snake into your house?
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Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.09.23 08:07:00 -
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You call us exploiters while using exactly the same tactics we use. You call us nefarious killer bacuse we don't come to the boards and tries to justify killing people. You assume things you don't have the slightest idea about.
You are scum and hipocrites which is something more and more people will come to realize.
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NoctoZ
Black Reign
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Rebellion
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Posted - 2003.09.23 08:27:00 -
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I can't see how that is a reply to my post since you're talking about different things. Unavoidable when you intend to divert the topic to what you want to discuss.
Conveniently, for a reply to your post, just refer to my last post.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.09.23 08:55:00 -
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Quote:
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Sinister isnt a pirate corp
"Sinister PR"
ouch.
Ok,thats funny, I almost miss you guys ( I know who you are and Ive seen piccies. rawr).
Thank you Xanadu for this update on alliances, warfar and having a sense of homor.
This is not a hijack
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.09.23 08:57:00 -
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yeah but we dont camp entry points using containers and cargo cans with the names "come get some like *****" , ( oh I also heard there was mining drones involved )
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.09.23 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Art Dillinja on 23/09/2003 09:13:14
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Ok,thats funny, I almost miss you guys ( I know who you are and Ive seen piccies. rawr).
Thank you Xanadu for this update on alliances, warfar and having a sense of homor.
Hey Lianhaun. Drop by more often. We almost miss you, too.
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Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.09.23 09:42:00 -
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We camp entrypoints and you camp entrypoints.
You certainly have some ships using drones and so do we.
Don't come here pretending to be on some holy quest to clean out evil cause you are no better yourselves.
And drop that crap about cans.
Yeah there might be a can or 2 as we blow ships up, bad and uber evil as we are, and once there was one player that deployed some miningdrones as he came to us directly from the belt he was mining prior to the battle. Why whould someone use harvesters in combat. They are way more expensive than the scoutdrones you find all the time when hunting pirates in belts.
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NoctoZ
Black Reign
Curse Alliance |
Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.23 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Homo Erectus on 23/09/2003 09:45:39
Quote:
You call us exploiters while using exactly the same tactics we use.
no. since ccp has told us that putting our drones outside of our ship while awaiting combat is not an exploit, we employ this to combat you. the reason is simple.
to fight a monster, you must become a monster
now, don't go and get to thinking you're a monster. you're not. it was just a good quote that somewhat explained things. you're more like a group of 12 yea old bullies that run to their mommies when a group of kids their own size comes and does to them, what they have been doing to everyone else.
we do not exploit. that is a fact. sin/m0o have exploited, knowingly. you have no legs to stand on, and can say nothing in your defense.
I watched several m0o/sin, including stavr0s, use sensor boosters knowing it would cause a ctd. It was a known exploit. Everyone saw pictures of your cargo can dumpage to cause lag. Another known exploit.
Quote:
You call us nefarious killer bacuse we don't come to the boards and tries to justify killing people.
Yes, so?
To end:
No evolution/xan pilot uses, or ever has, used exploits to win. You have.
That is enough to declare ownership of you.
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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:19:00 -
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Evolution, drop the crap and just come fight. We know it's all just an excuse to PVP ie HAVE FUN.
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"If they're shooting at you, you know you must be doing something right." |
Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:24:00 -
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Lalala remember to not travel alone when youre on your route to the battelground gents!
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:24:00 -
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its ironic you call yourself a bounty hunter with all them pirates in your alliance.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:37:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
I think I would be safe in assuming that, were I to choose to war against one of your allies, you would consider me an enemy. The CA is the start of something new. Past is irrelevant. This may help explain the variety of corporations involved.
It's unfortunate that Xanadu and Sinister can't yet resolve their issues. However, as Fountain will aid it's allies, so will Curse. I have no desire for a confrontation between us, but I will do as I promised. I will honor the strength of the members of Curse as you honor Xanadu regardless of past, for our eyes are on the future.
Strong words.
I wonder why your CEO wasnt able to answer this question the other day. He prefered to feel insulted and ended the conversation.
Anyway. You brought war to Curse by allying a known enemy of both Fountain and Stain. There never were issues between FA and Curse in the past, so I guess you had your own reasons to change this.
I still have a lot of respect for Oracle from way back in the beta. Let's see if your new pirate allies share your strong sense of honour.
Its easy to explain - Oracle were having their arses kicked by PIE in empire space - they had to go to Curse in order to hide out!
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:39:00 -
[59]
Oracle:
We're not pirates! We fight for our people, and for what's right! Abolish slavery! Save our people!
Sinister: Harrrr!!!
Oracle (cowering): harr?
Seriously. I respected you, Oracle, Nomads, et al. You had integrity by keeping it to the RP scenes and not allying yourself with the 'bad crowd'. Now you've gone pirate..
Damned shame, really. I wonder what Wren will say..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:41:00 -
[60]
I think Hardin has a point, it was not safe for PIE. But what does Sinister get out of this deal? Why protect such a corp?
Ore deals?
This is not a hijack
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:50:00 -
[61]
Quote:
I think I would be safe in assuming that, were I to choose to war against one of your allies, you would consider me an enemy. The CA is the start of something new. Past is irrelevant. This may help explain the variety of corporations involved.
It's unfortunate that Xanadu and Sinister can't yet resolve their issues. However, as Fountain will aid it's allies, so will Curse. I have no desire for a confrontation between us, but I will do as I promised. I will honor the strength of the members of Curse as you honor Xanadu regardless of past, for our eyes are on the future.
First off the Sinister / FA conflict reaches back way before the forming of the Curse Coalition. Evolution even made a post on these very boards announcing that any corps giving refugee to Sinister would be considered enemies. So in reality you chose to go to war with us, when you allied yourself to a corporation which is at war with the entire Eve Univserse, not the other way around.
I find it funny how you say that the "CA is something new, and that the past is irrelevant", because its not that simple.
What your saying is.. that If a unit of mass imurderers, and killers, goes around destroying, stealing, and scamming people for several months, and then all of the sudden decides to say:
'Hey we've killed enough now, we got all the cash, and corpses we need, we wanna sit back in some region and take it easy for a while, so all our enemies please leave us alone, mkay? I mean dont talk about the past... I mean its only the past.. etc etc etc'
That everyone should just accept that they are now "nice" and lay off them, because hey "people change?". Ya right.
I suggest Oracle take a sniff of fresh air and look at the reality of the situation. You guys have just thrown any credibility you might have had away. Minmatar Scum, join Common Scum.
Curse, one big melting pot.
The Chronicles of Xanadu |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:51:00 -
[62]
I told you guys to take their whine and not just their cheese
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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:12:00 -
[63]
Quote:
First off the Sinister / FA conflict reaches back way before the forming of the Curse Coalition
What's Curse Coalition?
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"If they're shooting at you, you know you must be doing something right." |
Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:17:00 -
[64]
Quote:
Quote:
First off the Sinister / FA conflict reaches back way before the forming of the Curse Coalition
What's Curse Coalition?
coÀaÀliÀtion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-lshn)
n.
An alliance, especially a temporary one, of people, factions, parties, or nations.
A combination into one body; a union.
Due to the fact that you have not given out a name or anything of the like, I used coalition instead of alliance, since I thought it wouldnt be too hard for you to be 1 and 1 together and come to the conclusion I was talking about you.....
The Chronicles of Xanadu |
The Red
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Posted - 2003.09.23 13:15:00 -
[65]
It's sad to see the boards used as an arena for a ****ing contest.
I don't have to prove anything here. We'll all know soon enough what happens.
-The Red
<Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward> |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.23 13:21:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Discorporation on 23/09/2003 13:22:10
Quote:
It's sad to see the boards used as an arena for a ****ing contest.
I don't have to prove anything here. We'll all know soon enough what happens.
Ohh?
So, you're allright with laying the smack on corps on the IC Summit, but when you're attacked for real in-game behaviour, you want to back out?
Get Sarkos in here or Wren, they put up a decent fight.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.23 13:42:00 -
[67]
Quote:
It's sad to see the boards used as an arena for a ****ing contest.
I don't have to prove anything here. We'll all know soon enough what happens.
Though Oracle made it to our KOS list for fighting us in the jove event, I always thought very highly of you guys.
I'm sad to see you're now camping jump in points along with the likes of Sinister and Red Corsairs.
Well, you've made your choice.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2003.09.23 13:58:00 -
[68]
Faisal Khan, if you are reading this under one name or the other, just know this: I thought better of you. I respected you for what you fought for, for your ideals. But have you lost sight of that in favour of the quick gains of piracy? There is a subtle difference, a thin line, between a freedom fighter and a terrorist. You may argue that it depends on the viewpoint, but like Socrates said, all words have some shred of fundamental truth to them, some unerring meaning that can't be deterred or warped through distortion of surface truth.
By joining hands with known pirates, known terrorists, you crossed that fine line yourselves.
To the rest of the Curse Coalition: We suffered attacks from SINC and RUS a mere week before this came to be. Attacks that were purely piratical in nature, pre-emptive and brutal. We fended them off, and they ran to Curse. Now they claim to have renounced their murderous ways, and persist in telling everyone that the past doesn't matter, that former crimes are moot and the hundreds of millions of property damage will just have to go unpaid, that the victims of their attacks will just have to deal with it and accept the fact that the people that murdered, stole and demolished have been acquitted.
I for one will not yield to this abhorrent logic and distortion of truth. Faisal, in losing sight of your own goal, you gave me a worthy ambition; to rid the world of EVE of people like you. Plato once said that no-one is inherently evil, but commits evil out of need. I have seen SINC commit evil every day of the week out of greed.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.09.23 14:43:00 -
[69]
there can only be an absolute thruth if we were certain of an all powerfull God. If we dont accept God, we dont accept absolute thruth.
And with all politics, it is a matter of perspective and fancy talk.
We have lived long past Socrates and although he was wise in his own way, his words no longer matter for this age.
This is not a hijack
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:24:00 -
[70]
Faisal's been MIA for over a month
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The Red
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Posted - 2003.09.23 16:27:00 -
[71]
Quote:
Edited by: Discorporation on 23/09/2003 13:22:10
So, you're allright with laying the smack on corps on the IC Summit, but when you're attacked for real in-game behaviour, you want to back out?
Get Sarkos in here or Wren, they put up a decent fight.
The IC posts are in character. PIE and Oracle are having a RP war for fun. I would like to believe that both corps have respect for one another. As such, posting "smack" for some kicks is all part of the good times had by all.
This is different for a number of reasons:
1) I have no reason to respect you.
2) The members of PIE are generally experts at understanding posts. Meaning that my response here would not be necessary.
3) Your goal is not to have fun, but to discredit. (Which, ok, can be fun for some people)
Please refer to my previous post about the actions of Curse members not yet representing the actions of the whole.
I've never pirated and I never will. I am not being attacked for any in-game behavior. I'm being attacked for having the balls to post in a thread full of angry people. My post was meant to inform readers about the current state of Curse, nothing else.
Alternatively I might have said nothing and this thread might have died off. However, now people who are actually curious about Curse have something to think about.
I have also never backed down.
Thank you.
-The Red
<Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward> |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.23 16:40:00 -
[72]
Quote:
I've never pirated and I never will. I am not being attacked for any in-game behavior.
Whether you are a pirate/terrorist is irrelevant. When you ally yourself with the likes of Sinister and Red Corsairs you will be attacked.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.23 16:42:00 -
[73]
Quote:
The IC posts are in character. PIE and Oracle are having a RP war for fun. I would like to believe that both corps have respect for one another. As such, posting "smack" for some kicks is all part of the good times had by all.
Hm, I wonder how this affects the RP wars, now that Oracle's allied to a known group of killers, thieves and cutthroats. There goes your PR campaign, hehe.
Quote:
This is different for a number of reasons:
1) I have no reason to respect you.
2) The members of PIE are generally experts at understanding posts. Meaning that my response here would not be necessary.
3) Your goal is not to have fun, but to discredit. (Which, ok, can be fun for some people)
1) Irrelevant, as you know
2) Also irrelevant. You'll begin to notice that soon enough when Xanadu and evo decide not to pull their punches.
3) Nah. My goal is to have fun and discredit people.
Quote:
Please refer to my previous post about the actions of Curse members not yet representing the actions of the whole.
Hehe, pull the other one, it's got bells on.
Quote:
I've never pirated and I never will. I am not being attacked for any in-game behavior. I'm being attacked for having the balls to post in a thread full of angry people. My post was meant to inform readers about the current state of Curse, nothing else.
Oracle will be attacked for in-game behaviour, namely, allying itself with SINC and others
Quote:
Alternatively I might have said nothing and this thread might have died off. However, now people who are actually curious about Curse have something to think about.
I have also never backed down.
Thank you.
Hmm. No. It'd had jumped to another thread (much like the Venal thing).
It's all in good fun, of course. I like you Oracle guys. Shame you squandered the name and the reputation, though.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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The Red
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Posted - 2003.09.23 17:16:00 -
[74]
Edited by: The Red on 23/09/2003 17:17:43
So, ok. Let's say your brother kills someone. Then he has some realization that basically means a new, better life. Do you give him a chance, if for no other reason than the greatness of his vision, or turn him in and abandon that dream?
And if you choose to defend his desire for something new and great, should you too be shot for believing in that goal? 
You are very "I'm-right-you're-wrong-and-that's-that". The stance you take orders the universe to follow your hatred. This sort of command goes against everything you claim to uphold. You do not rule this universe. Your laws are not absolute. You have no right to assume a holy position against something you obviously don't understand. I lived in Stain for a number of weeks before I was forced out at gunpoint by your prideful friends.
You will not take my new home. It's the best place I've known in the Eve universe where I'm free to do as I choose.
I think that most of Curse feels the same, and I'll be damned if a couple self-righteous brats who fly from the safety of their already established empires will rob us of this to salvage a little lost pride. We're here to stay. You can either grow beside us or feed our fires as you have been since the war began. I doubt that you have among your combined forced an equal number of people passionate for this cause.
Do not mistake my posts as compromising or weak. You know that, regarding the security of our new home, we are neither.
-The Red
<Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward> |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.23 17:18:00 -
[75]
If Sinc are reformed, explain to me why they attack people not on the Curse KOS list, ta.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.09.23 17:25:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Art Dillinja on 23/09/2003 17:27:27
Let me put it very simple for you:
If we allied PIE, we would be at war with you automatically.
you agree so far?
good, lets continue:
If you ally SINC, you are at war with us automatically.
You ally our enemy. You become our enemy. The fact that you allied the enemies of almost everyone in eve just adds some extra flavour. And now you expect us to just forget about all the past issues?
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.23 17:28:00 -
[77]
Quote:
So, ok. Let's say your brother kills someone. Then he has some realization that basically means a new, better life. Do you give him a chance, if for no other reason than the greatness of his vision, or turn him in and abandon that dream?
you make it sound like sinister and co are not pirates anymore.
yesterday, they said they were. |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.23 17:36:00 -
[78]
Why exactly is TTI on Sinisters KOS list?
I thought everyone knew TTI was Sininsters employer and paid them big bucks to do their dirty work!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 17:56:00 -
[79]
It's because everybody hates a hypocrit Ulsten, even their ex-employees ;)
Love and peace
JF Public Forum |
KONDIN
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:01:00 -
[80]
It's very ironic that RUS, who has declared war on the SA because they believed no one should controll andy part of free space,be controlling a piece of free space....What HIPACRITS.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:01:00 -
[81]
Quote:
If Sinc are reformed, explain to me why they attack people not on the Curse KOS list, ta.
I think they are not reformed, its just trendy to give a spin on what you are really doing.
This is not a hijack
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The Red
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:10:00 -
[82]
Quote:
Edited by: Art Dillinja on 23/09/2003 17:27:27
Let me put it very simple for you:
If we allied PIE, we would be at war with you automatically.
you agree so far?
good, lets continue:
If you ally SINC, you are at war with us automatically.
You ally our enemy. You become our enemy. The fact that you allied the enemies of almost everyone in eve just adds some extra flavour. And now you expect us to just forget about all the past issues?
I'm not saying you aren't our enemy for the moment. I'm saying that this in unfortunate. I also didn't ask you to forgive anyone. I said simply that I have. You do whatever you please.
I do not speak for Sinister. They speak for themselves as does every corp within Curse. I do not know their inner workings. I do know that they will help protect my home from the likes of you, people who seem all to eager claim universal rights. This makes them my allies in defense.
Now let me make it simple for you:
If you come to my home and attack me, I'll defend myself.
Seems fair enough, don't you think?
If a person stands beside me in combat to protect my way of life, I'll defend their character and strength.
Leave my home. Leave me free. I'll be a bloody stump before I let you corporate behemoths rule here as well.
Isn't that clear enough? What else could you possiby not understand? Yes, Sinister has been involved in pirate activities. You other alliances have had your share of murdering and taking what you thought should be yours. Now that you have it and your enemies are scattered or dead are your hands clean?
No, by your own verdict of guilt based upon past they are not. If you're determined take this away from us then build more guns and take off those damn halos.
Now buggar off and go pick on someone you can handle.
-The Red
<Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward> |
Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:18:00 -
[83]
Quote:
I do know that they will help protect my home from the likes of you, people who seem all to eager claim universal rights
Holy moly...
Once again:
1st - you know SINC is at war with the FA
2nd - you ally them
3rd - you tell me that you need to ally them to protect you from us?
Do i really have to spell it out for you?
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The Red
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:31:00 -
[84]
Edited by: The Red on 25/09/2003 14:46:19
Quote:
Holy moly...
Once again:
1st - you know SINC is at war with the FA
2nd - you ally them
3rd - you tell me that you need to ally them to protect you from us?
Do i really have to spell it out for you?
1st - Yes.
2nd - Yes.
3rd - No. But if I have an alliance coming after me it makes sense to protect myself with an alliance.
So basically you just repeated what you already stated and I confirmed. You're arguing a dead point. Move on to something else.
Next!
-The Red
<Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward> |
Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:36:00 -
[85]
Quote:
Quote:
Holy moly...
Once again:
1st - you know SINC is at war with the FA
2nd - you ally them
3rd - you tell me that you need to ally them to protect you from us?
Do i really have to spell it out for you?
1st - Yes.
2nd - Yes.
3rd - No. But if I have an alliance coming after me it makes sense to protect myself with an alliance.
So basically you just repeated what you already stated and I confirmed. You're arguing a dead point. Move on to something else.
I ask that you find your brain before your next post.
Next!
Ok. You obviously are dumb.
You allied SINC to protect you from FA who became hostile because you allied SINC.
Stand in line for the political mastermind of the year award now.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:37:00 -
[86]
Very simple
You wouldn't have an alliance after you if you hadn't allied with SINC
I think that's the point art is trying to make 
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:41:00 -
[87]
Quote:
Very simple
You wouldn't have an alliance after you if you hadn't allied with SINC
I think that's the point art is trying to make
If he doesnt get it now i'll give up. :/
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:46:00 -
[88]
'S okay, art, he's new to this ;)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:58:00 -
[89]
I thought he was just doing a very fine job rping a minmatar.
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.09.23 19:46:00 -
[90]
That guy wins idiot of the month award. The competition was awed. |
Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.09.23 19:53:00 -
[91]
So because sinister had the courage to stand for being pirates instead of hiding behind an alliance tag like some of your precious members we are the big evil in the galaxy.
We do kill people but so do you.
Since when is doing it because you are a big capitalist scumbag that kills because you wants more and more make you any better.
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NoctoZ
Black Reign
Curse Alliance |
The Red
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Posted - 2003.09.23 21:39:00 -
[92]
Edited by: The Red on 25/09/2003 14:46:51
Edited by: The Red on 23/09/2003 21:50:33
Edited by: The Red on 23/09/2003 21:49:03
Edited by: The Red on 23/09/2003 21:43:20
Hot damn fellas, are you all on the short bus together? I know you're coming after the other members of curse because we allied with Sinister. You've said it a million times. Now go back and look for where I asked why you were coming after us. Yup, that's right. I never did. 
Too bad your fan club didn't catch that either.
I didn't ask for clarification from you lot 'cause I already had it. Now please figure out what it is you want and post about it instead of trying to sound smart for your friends.
Try to read my posts before insulting them.
<edited to remove some f*cking profanity>
-The Red
<Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward> |
Caelipso
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Posted - 2003.09.23 21:52:00 -
[93]
Man's got a point.
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Akelo Garoun
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Posted - 2003.09.23 21:56:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Akelo Garoun on 23/09/2003 21:59:19
Edited by: Akelo Garoun on 23/09/2003 21:57:47
Quote:
Quote:
Very simple
You wouldn't have an alliance after you if you hadn't allied with SINC
I think that's the point art is trying to make
If he doesnt get it now i'll give up. :/
Don't be a fecking dumbass art. And tell your friends.
I've been reading this **** fer a while. Don't change the subject by making junk up. It's lame. Stop flaming, start posting.
And I've been runnin' around Curse for a while. They all nice to me. Maybe it's 'cause I'm not an *******.
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Akelo Garoun
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Posted - 2003.09.23 22:04:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Akelo Garoun on 24/09/2003 00:50:39
Edited by: Akelo Garoun on 23/09/2003 22:05:42
Quote:
Edited by: The Red on 23/09/2003 01:26:55
Know that I would rather regard any of you a friend than strike you as my enemy.
There, I found it for you. That's the quote that started it all. Buy some glasses. Doesn't care why you're coming. Doesn't ask. Just says it's too damn bad. I think you're an ass for trying to slap down a comment like that one.
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Ceraph
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Posted - 2003.09.23 22:09:00 -
[96]
Well spoken Red. Keep up the good work. Sometimes it's hard to train monkies.
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.09.23 22:11:00 -
[97]
allying our enemies and then telling us they want to be our friends is not clever, mkay?
dont tell me you arent able to grasp the logic here.
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.09.23 22:26:00 -
[98]
Quote:
And I've been runnin' around Curse for a while. They all nice to me. Maybe it's 'cause I'm not an *******.
Thats either because #1 your an alt from on of their guys #2 your not actually in curse or #3 you havent run into sinister yet.
Oh btw.. the intelligence of the average Oracle post isnt exactly.. umm.. yeaa... |
SexyFrst
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Posted - 2003.09.24 00:28:00 -
[99]
Edited by: SexyFrst on 24/09/2003 00:34:58
Guys, I don't think you can blame Oracle and Nomads anymore. They are sleeping with the likes of thinktanks such as The Reclaimer. You know that his smarts are going to rub off on them.
edit> I just saw something super funny:
Quote:
So because sinister had the courage to stand for being pirates instead of hiding behind an alliance tag like some of your precious members we are the big evil in the galaxy.
Yes, you are quick. That is exactly it. Because sinister and co. sat in fd and pf forever, killing everyone, for no reason, you are the posers, and we aren't. Very good. You get a 79.
You pirate type fella's are really living up to the myth. Dumb as bricks, loud as whistles. Do that ARRRR! thing again. |
Akelo Garoun
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Posted - 2003.09.24 00:49:00 -
[100]
Ok, ya got me there. I haven't run into Sinister. Heh.
In fact I've been avoiding them just in case.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2003.09.24 03:22:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 24/09/2003 03:23:42
Quote:
Edited by: SexyFrst on 24/09/2003 00:34:58
Guys, I don't think you can blame Oracle and Nomads anymore. They are sleeping with the likes of thinktanks such as The Reclaimer. You know that his smarts are going to rub off on them.
edit> I just saw something super funny:
Quote:
So because sinister had the courage to stand for being pirates instead of hiding behind an alliance tag like some of your precious members we are the big evil in the galaxy.
Yes, you are quick. That is exactly it. Because sinister and co. sat in fd and pf forever, killing everyone, for no reason, you are the posers, and we aren't. Very good. You get a 79.
You pirate type fella's are really living up to the myth. Dumb as bricks, loud as whistles. Do that ARRRR! thing again.
Well, i have never pirated in my life, and to my knowledge none From Oracle has..
I have a home in curse, and SA has set its eyes on it for some reason...
How many times have i been going down from empire space to hunt or mine, could i come into stain, no, not without getting a pass..
Who is the pirat here, fact is that Oracle has always given help to others in need...
Yes we roleplay an war with PIE inc, and it is a damn good one, i have nerver bothered with you megacorps before, my prioritys was aginst slavery and the tyrranie in Empire space....
So here I am in curse, SA wants me dead, because Sinister is in our alliance, well forgive me for being alive...
I only defend my home from you, If i didnt, im sure you would come here pretty soon, and dictatting where to mine and where to stay,, nay your not pirates SA, your worse, your tyrants trying to bullying everyone into submission, but guess what, it aint working....
As i stated before, Oracle have never indulged in any piracy, and never will, we stop flesh merchants and vitoc runners, we dont grief, and gate camp to kill for the thrill, it is not our way...
I cannot speak for Sinister, nor would I, they are residents of curse and member of an alliance, so they defend their home, as do we all...
So Say I
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2003.09.24 04:54:00 -
[102]
Arrrrrrrrr
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Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.09.24 06:13:00 -
[103]
Quote:
Edited by: SexyFrst on 24/09/2003 00:34:58
Guys, I don't think you can blame Oracle and Nomads anymore. They are sleeping with the likes of thinktanks such as The Reclaimer. You know that his smarts are going to rub off on them.
edit> I just saw something super funny:
Quote:
So because sinister had the courage to stand for being pirates instead of hiding behind an alliance tag like some of your precious members we are the big evil in the galaxy.
Yes, you are quick. That is exactly it. Because sinister and co. sat in fd and pf forever, killing everyone, for no reason, you are the posers, and we aren't. Very good. You get a 79.
You pirate type fella's are really living up to the myth. Dumb as bricks, loud as whistles. Do that ARRRR! thing again.
We podded everyone trying to go through FD PF without paying our toll. You kill everyone you find inside your sector without paying YOUR toll. You should get my point by now.
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NoctoZ
Black Reign
Curse Alliance |
Kalle Port
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Posted - 2003.09.24 08:14:00 -
[104]
Quote:
I cannot speak for Sinister, nor would I, they are residents of curse and member of an alliance, so they defend their home, as do we all...
Will you defend Sinister if they are under attack?
Let me refrase this, will you defend known pirates when they are under attack?
If you say yes, and accept this fact by creating an alliance with them then you accept that you are HELPING pirates. In most peoples eyes there is not too much difference between gate camping newbies and helping the people who gate camp newbies.
Then the question why people will attack the curse alliance is simply because you are pirates. The fact whether or not you personally camped newbies or not is irrelevant. Someone who carries the gun for an assassin is just as guilty as the assassin who fires the shot.
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.09.24 09:10:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Macumba on 24/09/2003 09:10:52
Yes, we'll defend (alongside) Sinister when they/we are under attack. Thats kind of what being part of an alliance is all about.
Yes, we know it'll make us a target.
Yes, we know that some of the more cerebrally disadvantaged will see this as Oracle becoming pirates.
So now we're "formerly respected"? Wow. YUO WUOND ME SIR!!1
Respect in Eve is highly overrated. Respect doesn't pay the bills, build ships or provide you with equipment. All that respect brings is spies, alts, hangar thieves, bull****ters, blaggers, and a million and one bitter ******* vultures waiting for you to make the wrong move. Besides, people say the word respect a lot, they very rarely mean it.
As the people who actually know Oracle will tell you, nothing has changed, we've simply moved on to pastures new.
Personally speaking I think its the best move we could of made. RP is pretty much dead in this game now anyway, why continue placing an emphasis on it when it just gets you ****ed (via events) or holds you back. Why CCP even bothered with a back story for Eve is beyond me anyway, they've never used it for anything other than adding flavour to bug reports. Anyone that does want to roleplay is working entirely on their own, but then some people think that roleplay is a 10,000 word diatribe on their alliance and the evils of "piracy".
We could of put a lot of PR spin on why we moved. The simple fact of the matter is this - empire space is boring, Curse has nice minerals, Curse has nice loot and it just happens to be where some of our friends are hanging out. If we end up being involved in a war because of it then whatever, it'll add some excitement to what is at it's heart a very dull game.
"PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf |
Revolution
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Posted - 2003.09.24 09:29:00 -
[106]
ahahah
so we can expect to see oracle quitting posts and accounts on ebay soon eh :]
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.09.24 09:30:00 -
[107]
Already happened.
We just don't make a big song and dance about it.
"PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.24 09:33:00 -
[108]
Rename your corp
It's not worth the name Oracle, macumba
:'(
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.09.24 09:43:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Macumba on 24/09/2003 09:45:16
Yes Disco, it is sad. But unfortunately its the way Eve is going.
The Summit forum is dying on its arse. The active roleplayers are just that, they seldom log on and actually play the game. Events in game are non-existent. If you've tried running an event yourself off the back of your own corp you'd realise what a futile exercise it is. Nobody is interested.
Like I say, nothing has changed, we've just moved. If you can't see past the company we keep then thats not Oracle's problem, its the problem of the shortsighted people out there who have nothing better to do than get on their high horse about things they know nothing about.
"PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.24 09:58:00 -
[110]
I know exactly what you mean, Mac, don't get me wrong.
It's just very unfortunate Oracle chose to let go of their ideals. The same goes for all the other Minmie corps.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Rebellion
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Posted - 2003.09.24 10:02:00 -
[111]
Actually, the only people who seem to believe we're pirates are the pirates themselves. Hence, it's really no longer necessary for me to explain how the concepts really work. But one last jab:
Pirates kill people
Person A kills a person.
Person A is a pirate.
Legitimate corps form alliances
Sinc forms an alliance
Sinc is a legitimate corp
This is a fallacy in argument that is called Affirming the Consequent.
"Affirming the Consequent is a non-validating form of argument in propositional logic; for instance, let "p" be false and "q" be true, then there is no inconsistency in supposing that the first, conditional premiss is true, which makes the premisses true and the conclusion false."
You say:
"We podded everyone trying to go through FD PF without paying our toll. You kill everyone you find inside your sector without paying YOUR toll. You should get my point by now."
This is, as I noted a prime example of myopic vision. Sinc had been going around empire space setting arbitraty tollgates and extorting money from newbies prior to setting up shop in FD PF. Fountain, on the other hand, set up a passport system to preserve and conserve their home. There are major differences here: you set the toll anywhere to extort money from people passing through a major thoroughfare, we set the passport fee in our own home to regulate visitors to a remote location.
Now on to the next failure of logic. I will illustrate it by gradual addition of details to a basic tenet.
1. Protecting my ally is a good thing
2. Protecting my criminal ally is a good thing
3. Protecting my criminal ally, who is just using me to hide, is a good thing.
1. Kicking out my ally is a bad thing
2. Kicking out my criminal ally is a bad thing
3. Kicking out my criminal ally, who is just using me to hide, is a bad thing.
This, once again, illustrates lazy evaluation of circumstance. A failure of analysis so to speak. Once you have started judging situations from a general idea and choose to stop there, you are going to be supporting a flawed principle. This is a similar activity to holding a prejudiced view of reality that does not allow itself to be reviwed in the light of factual elements. However, when one stops chanting the basic and overly general belief and starts incorporating qualifiers, one will be able to realize that they have been supporting a flawed principle.
The last failure of logic is this:
A. Sinc is defending Curse. Fountain/Stain is attacking Curse.
B. Curse is defending Sinc. Fountain/Stain is attacking Sinc.
Given these two situations there are two options on how to stop an attack on Curse:
A. Sinc is defending Curse; prevent the second part of the statement: Fountain/Stain will no longer attack Curse.
B. Fountain/Stain is attacking Sinc; prevent the first part of the statement: Curse will no longer defend Sinc.
Now to decide which of these, A or B, is the correct statement the following flow of logic is employed:
Fountain/Stain only have Sinc and the other pirate groups as their target. Sinc cannot be defending Curse because Curse was never the target at all. If Sinc fled to The Forge, we would attack them at The Forge. Therefore, Sinc cannot be defending Curse because Curse has never been a target. Therefore the accompanying part of the first statement is false and invalidates the entire atomic statement as a fallacy.
Now, I can't really explain further because it is really quite simple:
Sinc is using you for cover, kick them out and you will be able to build a prosperous region in peace.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.24 10:28:00 -
[112]
/me listens to a sound...
its the sound of nobody caring...
someone pls end this flame fest already.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.24 10:38:00 -
[113]
Is there anybody outside Empire Space not now at war with someone else?
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Rebellion
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Posted - 2003.09.24 10:52:00 -
[114]
I completely understand Stav. I am, as a rule, uninsterested in Biodiversity studies because I do not understand Biodiversity and am incapable of holding a discussion about it. Therefore I understand how you are, as a rule, uninterested in logical discussions because you do not understand logic and are incapable of holding a discussion about it.
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Fimbule Winter
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Posted - 2003.09.24 12:08:00 -
[115]
Call it an alliance, call it piracy, in whatever Region. It makes no difference to the dead.
People take what they want because they can. Its as simple as that.
I've been shot at and killed in all the above mentioned regions, and I can assure you that wether the attackers call themselves pirates or anything else, it feels just the same.
Just a peaceful trader trying to make a living.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.24 12:30:00 -
[116]
Quote:
Just a peaceful trader trying to make a living.
Peaceful traders should stay in peaceful regions
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Fimbule Winter
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Posted - 2003.09.24 12:59:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Fimbule Winter on 24/09/2003 12:59:43
Quote:
Peaceful traders should stay in peaceful regions
I think you missed my point tho ;-)
Meaning I dont understand why these alliances feel the need to justify killing just about anyone they feel like killing.
Eve right now is like Clondyke. 0 sec space is without any law enforcement. Corporations can dow what they want. No need to wrap it in smooth talk.
This thread has been much about who is the pirates and who is not. For those who end up in the middle, it doesnt matter. The bullets taste the same.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.24 13:12:00 -
[118]
awww. stav want's the topic locked. that must mean we are hitting the nail on the head. ;[ |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.24 13:24:00 -
[119]
Macumba, Oracle Corp
Monsieur, I must confess I am extremely disappointed in you. Months ago you were always amongst the sternest critics of Jericho; you condemned us for our involvement with the old VA, you condemned our support of the anti-slavery campaign, you condemned our opposition for Taggart, and then, you went on record in response to the NVA declaration of principles saying (and I quote)
ôVery nice idea in theory. Though the cynic in me gives it a week or so until complete lockdown. Tune in next week for another episode of "Tantrums & Tritanium".
Well, it has been three and half weeks now and we are still fighting for those principles; hundreds of ships have been destroyed in Venal for those principles, 29 corporations have joined the NVA and pledged to those principles. We are as resolved as ever we were, and in adversity have learned that true camaraderie and love of brotherhood-in-arms comes from fighting and dying for a cause one truly believes in.
I thought more of Oracle, I really did. I looked to you as an example, as a shining symbol of honesty and struggle in a galaxy so-often cloaked in shadow and mean-spirited treachery. I took your hard words and your hard accusations Macumba, I never once answered you unkindly, but now I am disappointed.
By making common cause with these pirates and murderers you are insulting the Gallente Federation and the NVA. Hundreds of innocent traders and travellers have been slain on the Syndicate Placid border within a few jumps of their home. The tyranny and slavery practised by your allies is staggering; for it chains the expectations of man, and imprisons lawful commerce behind the concord shield of trigger-happy battleships. 0.0 space should be open to all, but your allies have made a parasitical living by draining the lifeblood of those that dare it.
You speak of cynicism Macumba?
Of the death of dreams and idealism?
Well mÆdear, you sing a self-fulfilling prophesy; for when men like you go down on your knees at the feeding-trough of villainy beside Stavros and his ilk, you wound hope itself with dagger-blows of horrid disillusionment.
You say the Summit forum is dying? If it is dying then you must carry some responsibility, for the war with PIE Inc and imperial slavers is one thing, but this alliance with murderers and psychotic villains is something quite aside, and surely yes, the credibility of bright phrases spoken by Oracle loremasters will be damaged by the clear and present fact of your hypocritical alliance with the lowest of scum.
You cannot paint yourself as heroes in the blood of innocents Macumba. That is a line you cannot cross. I have messages from innocent peaceful corporations in Curse that are being driven out by your allies and hounded from the territory they once knew by the pirates and *****masters of Sinister and their ilk. How can you justify this vast hypocrisy with dry prattling catechisms and words bleached of meaning?
You say ônobody is interestedö à you were wrong. We were interested. You used to stand for something.
You say we should ôsee past the company you keepö à you are wrong. Once you would never have spoken those words. Once you would have seen the truth.
Now the reason no-one will care about your posts in the forum is they have become false by your actions. Like Taggart; whose corporate web-site tells of peaceful idealism and individual values, Oracle will come to be known as a corporation that says one thing and does another. Hypocrisy is the death of dreams Macumba.
Idealists do not spin glorious visions of hope in doubletalk and cut-price puerile evasion.
Truly I hoped for more.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.24 14:35:00 -
[120]
Haven't you heard, Jade?
The old Oracle is dead..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.09.24 16:16:00 -
[121]
Quote:
Actually, the only people who seem to believe we're pirates are the pirates themselves. Hence, it's really no longer necessary for me to explain how the concepts really work. But one last jab:
Pirates kill people
Person A kills a person.
Person A is a pirate.
Legitimate corps form alliances
Sinc forms an alliance
Sinc is a legitimate corp
This is a fallacy in argument that is called Affirming the Consequent.
"Affirming the Consequent is a non-validating form of argument in propositional logic; for instance, let "p" be false and "q" be true, then there is no inconsistency in supposing that the first, conditional premiss is true, which makes the premisses true and the conclusion false."
You say:
"We podded everyone trying to go through FD PF without paying our toll. You kill everyone you find inside your sector without paying YOUR toll. You should get my point by now."
This is, as I noted a prime example of myopic vision. Sinc had been going around empire space setting arbitraty tollgates and extorting money from newbies prior to setting up shop in FD PF. Fountain, on the other hand, set up a passport system to preserve and conserve their home. There are major differences here: you set the toll anywhere to extort money from people passing through a major thoroughfare, we set the passport fee in our own home to regulate visitors to a remote location.
Now on to the next failure of logic. I will illustrate it by gradual addition of details to a basic tenet.
1. Protecting my ally is a good thing
2. Protecting my criminal ally is a good thing
3. Protecting my criminal ally, who is just using me to hide, is a good thing.
1. Kicking out my ally is a bad thing
2. Kicking out my criminal ally is a bad thing
3. Kicking out my criminal ally, who is just using me to hide, is a bad thing.
This, once again, illustrates lazy evaluation of circumstance. A failure of analysis so to speak. Once you have started judging situations from a general idea and choose to stop there, you are going to be supporting a flawed principle. This is a similar activity to holding a prejudiced view of reality that does not allow itself to be reviwed in the light of factual elements. However, when one stops chanting the basic and overly general belief and starts incorporating qualifiers, one will be able to realize that they have been supporting a flawed principle.
The last failure of logic is this:
A. Sinc is defending Curse. Fountain/Stain is attacking Curse.
B. Curse is defending Sinc. Fountain/Stain is attacking Sinc.
Given these two situations there are two options on how to stop an attack on Curse:
A. Sinc is defending Curse; prevent the second part of the statement: Fountain/Stain will no longer attack Curse.
B. Fountain/Stain is attacking Sinc; prevent the first part of the statement: Curse will no longer defend Sinc.
Now to decide which of these, A or B, is the correct statement the following flow of logic is employed:
Fountain/Stain only have Sinc and the other pirate groups as their target. Sinc cannot be defending Curse because Curse was never the target at all. If Sinc fled to The Forge, we would attack them at The Forge. Therefore, Sinc cannot be defending Curse because Curse has never been a target. Therefore the accompanying part of the first statement is false and invalidates the entire atomic statement as a fallacy.
Now, I can't really explain further because it is really quite simple:
Sinc is using you for cover, kick them out and you will be able to build a prosperous region in peace.
I study computerscience so I get more then enough mathematics and logics there so please spare me from it here.
Most people will not even know what you are talking about you know.
Perhaps we should talk about evolution was doing prior to FA...
I can remember quite a few stories about you.
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Black Reign
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.24 17:12:00 -
[122]
Noctoz, why ******* do you have to quote such a long post?
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.24 17:13:00 -
[123]
more to the point why the ********* did he have to MAKE such a long post in the first place?
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Tyrion Nydaerin
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Posted - 2003.09.24 20:33:00 -
[124]
I dunno stav, I thought it was quite an interesting post, however I do like to think that Ihave an attention span of more than a couple of... Uh, I'm hungry, I wonder whats in the fridge...
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.24 20:47:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Homo Erectus on 24/09/2003 21:02:00
stav, alot of people don't have a problem with reading for 5 minutes, or writing for 10. not everyone is like you, with ADD and writing skills capable of responding only with 1 liner's.
secondly, as intelligent as you sinister ppl are, some things need to be said with a megaphone.
as a testiment to your own stupidity, it seems you did not hear what was said, even with the increased volume.
btw noctoz, I'm ready to hear whatever bull**** you can make up about evolution. hf |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2003.09.24 22:34:00 -
[126]
I hate one line reponses homo
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Mordessa
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Posted - 2003.09.25 11:32:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Mordessa on 25/09/2003 11:32:59
Quote:
Perhaps we should talk about evolution was doing prior to FA...
I can remember quite a few stories about you.
Okay I'm game for hearing about this.
Take your best shot.
Cause if your talking about shooting down M3G4, and thier Alts; your crying up the wrong tree.
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Sedsiss
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Posted - 2003.09.26 22:33:00 -
[128]
What ever happened to Masakari and Wren? God, the more I play this game the more it becomes foreign to me.. Where have all the old guys gone, eh Discorp?
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WyrmSlayer
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Posted - 2003.09.27 11:30:00 -
[129]
This is a waste of time... FA and SA will come with they holy truth. We will figth him, for defend our home, our miners and our allies. Im arent a pirate, i only want let me alone in curse with my friends, if you guys comming here killing my friends, my allies, we will figth its simple.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.27 12:00:00 -
[130]
Quote:
This is a waste of time... FA and SA will come with they holy truth. We will figth him, for defend our home, our miners and our allies. Im arent a pirate, i only want let me alone in curse with my friends, if you guys comming here killing my friends, my allies, we will figth its simple.
Only one of these is true. We will only kill you because of your allies.
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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2003.09.27 12:09:00 -
[131]
just a quick point... SA has in its ranks M3G4 and Spacepills, both are considered pirates for dstroying ships and podding anyone they could.
M3G4 were BIG pirates back in the early days of EVE going gold, but now they are in your Alliance... does that mean they have given up their pirating ways? or do you harbor pirates?
either way, you're a bunch of hypocrits for flaming us for joining an Alliance with pirates. we didn't join because sin were in it, they just happened to be there. so by the rules of Alliances, we will protect them, and they shall protect us.
i think its pretty simply, although i'm sure you're all DYING to flame me and complicate the issue.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.27 12:14:00 -
[132]
Quote:
just a quick point... SA has in its ranks M3G4 and Spacepills, both are considered pirates for dstroying ships and podding anyone they could.
M3G4 were BIG pirates back in the early days of EVE going gold, but now they are in your Alliance... does that mean they have given up their pirating ways? or do you harbor pirates?
Lies and more lies. M3G4 and Spacepills have a -20 standing with us. Major KOS.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.09.27 14:37:00 -
[133]
Wow Sinister Intel meets Oracle intel... |
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