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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.05.24 18:50:00 -
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I would like to compile a list of all level 4 missions that bug out when a player uses drones, and methods being used to deal with the bug in certain missions and situations.
I haven't run any level 4s, but it won't be long until I get my Dominix. So, for the benefit of myself and everyone else who is afraid of this happening to them, I would like to start compiling the information here.
As you reply to this thread and discuss the mission and how to deal with it, I will take the information and organize it in the OP.
Perhaps if we can get the list and discussion comprehensive enough, we can get a sticky.
Bring it on!
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Zeta Draconis
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Posted - 2006.05.25 10:38:00 -
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I have a thread going in the ships and modules forum -> click meh
But sincerely (from prolonged personal experience) I advice you to follow the crowd and train for a raven (pukes).
More time efficient, easier to use, no bugs, works a charm, a no brainer.
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dabster
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Posted - 2006.05.25 11:25:00 -
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First stage in XXX Extravangaza
First stage in Worlds Collide
Right hand of Zazz
Will definatly get the whole rooms on you if you release and engage drones there^
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Caldorous
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Posted - 2006.05.25 12:42:00 -
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 Originally by: dabster
First stage in XXX Extravangaza
First stage in Worlds Collide
Right hand of Zazz
Will definatly get the whole rooms on you if you release and engage drones there^
a nice way to know if a mission has bugs like insta aggro and so on is using a frigate with drone bay (like a taranis or a velator) and release the drones and then, scoop them, if the npc targets you, then the mission is "bugged" if not, you can do the mission perfectly.
Im saying that a frigate is better because it can warp faster in case of aggroing the npc intys 
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Lauriers
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Posted - 2006.05.25 12:53:00 -
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I agree the drones are STILL bugged and it's a pain however with a bit of lateral thinking you can change it to your advantage a bit.
For example WC 1st stage I put out a single light drones and 4 small rep drones on it. All the guristas attack the 1st drone and leave me to take out a lot of the seprs with no damage at all from the Guristas
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Boogyman
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Posted - 2006.05.25 13:44:00 -
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Yep, Angel Extravaganza Stage 1, I learned this the hard way the other day :(
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Bob Smackalof
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Posted - 2006.05.25 13:47:00 -
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Enemies Abound (1 of 5)
/me releases drones to get frigs
/me sees there are taking damage and scoops them
/me dies
/me swears
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Talos Munjab
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Posted - 2006.05.25 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lauriers
I agree the drones are STILL bugged and it's a pain however with a bit of lateral thinking you can change it to your advantage a bit.
For example WC 1st stage I put out a single light drones and 4 small rep drones on it. All the guristas attack the 1st drone and leave me to take out a lot of the seprs with no damage at all from the Guristas
Does this really work as i was thinking of doing the same thing, how ever im in a drone boat which makes things hard to kill if you using all your drones to reapair another.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.05.25 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/05/2006 17:56:22
Originally by: Zeta Draconis
But sincerely (from prolonged personal experience) I advice you to follow the crowd and train for a raven (pukes).
More time efficient, easier to use, no bugs, works a charm, a no brainer.
I absolutely refuse to train for a Raven... I'll train for the Caldari battleships when the caldari sniper boat is released... but not a Raven. MAYBE I could train for an Apoc, but the Apoc's damage is just so crappy. I want my Domi!
... So, is there just no way to get around these bugs? 6x 250mm rails on a Dominix has terrible damage, and that leaves no room for nos (meaning the tank is going to suck).
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2006.05.25 18:23:00 -
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It seems like event the second stage of the angel extravaganza agro the entire section when you launch your drones...
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.05.26 03:26:00 -
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Is any of this crap avoidable? Does it AWLAYS happen? Does it SOEMTIMES happen? Rarely? What?
I have 4 guys in my corp that fly level 4s in their Ravens. They all use drones, and all claim that they haven't seen this bug since they flew a level 2.
Funny thing is, drones have been a staple for me - and I've never seen this bug at all.
So I'm a little confused.
Once it happens, are you just screwed? If you warp out and back in again, will the same thing happen again?
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.05.26 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Is any of this crap avoidable? Does it AWLAYS happen? Does it SOEMTIMES happen? Rarely? What?
Sure, it's avoidable. Just don't release drones until you're sure you can tank whatever's left on that stage 
It always happens in the same area on certain missions, it's 100% repeatable. The behavior isn't the same on all missions either. On some missions releasing drones will aggro only a certain group(s) if they haven't attacked you already. On some missions it will aggro the entire stage. On some missions the resultant aggro is immediate. On some missions it's delayed. And the aggro pattern also depends on which NPC you are fighting against. You'll just have to keep notes once you start on lvl4s yourself.
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I have 4 guys in my corp that fly level 4s in their Ravens. They all use drones, and all claim that they haven't seen this bug since they flew a level 2.
Then they're not using drones in a manner that will cause this aggro. If any of your corpmates disagrees, just have them warp into stage 1 of lvl4 AE and have them release drones and attack the nearest group that auto aggros you. 100% guarantee the entire stage will aggro you.
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Funny thing is, drones have been a staple for me - and I've never seen this bug at all.
Not surprised by that. Only reports of drone aggro have been on lvl4 missions. Not on lvl3s or below.
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Krav
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Posted - 2006.05.26 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Krav on 26/05/2006 05:07:46
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Once it happens, are you just screwed? If you warp out and back in again, will the same thing happen again?
Depends on mission. World's Collide first stage, aka the "Warzone", if you release drones, one drone will be destroyed by the entire non-aggroed guristas group and then they switch on you. If you warp out, back in, the guristas only re-engage if you (1) attack them or (2) release drones again (not smart unless you ready to tank all that).
If you take a gangmate to do world's collide warzone, you'd better not have them shoot anything at all (including the Serp's already shooting you) because that engages the guristas on your gangmate. That, or take a mate who can also tank 
Signing off,
Krav
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Close encounter of the Hijack kind? Impossible.
Unless it is as bad as I think...
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Zrakor
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Posted - 2006.05.26 12:27:00 -
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Probably any dungeon/complex room that has multiple 'groups' will have this 'drone issue'. It's basically a drone mechanic issue and has nothing to do with the mission code per say. But I'd hazard a guess that it affects most level 4 missions, how severly depends upon how the entity groups are set up, i.e. how close their aggro ranges are.
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Bob Smackalof
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Posted - 2006.05.26 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zrakor
Probably any dungeon/complex room that has multiple 'groups' will have this 'drone issue'. It's basically a drone mechanic issue and has nothing to do with the mission code per say. But I'd hazard a guess that it affects most level 4 missions, how severly depends upon how the entity groups are set up, i.e. how close their aggro ranges are.
Can I get my ship back now? Please.... 
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.05.26 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Zrakor
Probably any dungeon/complex room that has multiple 'groups' will have this 'drone issue'. It's basically a drone mechanic issue and has nothing to do with the mission code per say. But I'd hazard a guess that it affects most level 4 missions, how severly depends upon how the entity groups are set up, i.e. how close their aggro ranges are.
this will be fixed for kali mission changes?
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Krav
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Posted - 2006.05.26 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
Originally by: Zrakor
Probably any dungeon/complex room that has multiple 'groups' will have this 'drone issue'. It's basically a drone mechanic issue and has nothing to do with the mission code per say. But I'd hazard a guess that it affects most level 4 missions, how severly depends upon how the entity groups are set up, i.e. how close their aggro ranges are.
this will be fixed for kali mission changes?
But it's not specifically a mission related bug, it's a drone mechanic issue. So mission changes, if they bother at all, are only going to hide the diseases' symptoms.
Krav
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Close encounter of the Hijack kind? Impossible.
Unless it is as bad as I think...
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MuffinsRevenger
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Posted - 2006.05.26 13:55:00 -
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the really wierd thing is that they somtimes aggro things that are well out of range of your targeting
say you are 80km away from your drones, they are attacking a npc that's about 15km away from you
then sometimes insted of going for the scrambler/webber npc next to you they decide to go attack the npcs at the group 80km away, even if you can only send your drones 40km away
Originally by: The Wizz117
jeez those guyz @ ccp talk like sweedish nobody will take u seriouse with that cind of accent.
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Archo X
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Posted - 2006.05.26 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bob Smackalof
Enemies Abound (1 of 5)
/me releases drones to get frigs
/me sees there are taking damage and scoops them
/me dies
/me swears
Ditto 
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Bob Smackalof
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Posted - 2006.05.26 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Archo X
Originally by: Bob Smackalof
Enemies Abound (1 of 5)
/me releases drones to get frigs
/me sees there are taking damage and scoops them
/me dies
/me swears
Ditto
:) Had a similar problem on a lvl 3 mission earlier, can't remember the name now, but its the one with a group at warp in point and another 80km off, suddenly I noticed my drones getting missiled :/
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.05.26 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zrakor
Probably any dungeon/complex room that has multiple 'groups' will have this 'drone issue'. It's basically a drone mechanic issue and has nothing to do with the mission code per say. But I'd hazard a guess that it affects most level 4 missions, how severly depends upon how the entity groups are set up, i.e. how close their aggro ranges are.
OK - so we can assume that this is a bug, and that it is being looked at?
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Zrakor
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Posted - 2006.05.26 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Zrakor on 26/05/2006 17:26:11
I can't answer if it's regarded being a bug or accepted drone behavior. The GMs would have to answer that question . But I did forward this thread to our testing department.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.05.26 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zrakor
Edited by: Zrakor on 26/05/2006 17:26:11
I can't answer if it's regarded being a bug or accepted drone behavior. The GMs would have to answer that question . But I did forward this thread to our testing department.
Well, thank you very much, kind sir!
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Supox
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Posted - 2006.05.26 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Supox on 26/05/2006 17:38:49
I guess I should read the forums more often.  If this is a bug, I'd like to get my Raven back after losing it in the Guristas 2nd stage of lvl 4 Worlds Collide. I released my drones to try and combat the 'welcoming committee' and the whole room aggro'd me and took me out in short order.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.05.26 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Supox
Edited by: Supox on 26/05/2006 17:38:49
I guess I should read the forums more often. If this is a bug, I'd like to get my Raven back after losing it in the Guristas 2nd stage of lvl 4 Worlds Collide. I released my drones to try and combat the 'welcoming committee' and the whole room aggro'd me and took me out in short order.
I have heard of people getting ships back because of agro bugs before...
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Bob Smackalof
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Posted - 2006.05.26 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Originally by: Supox
Edited by: Supox on 26/05/2006 17:38:49
I guess I should read the forums more often. If this is a bug, I'd like to get my Raven back after losing it in the Guristas 2nd stage of lvl 4 Worlds Collide. I released my drones to try and combat the 'welcoming committee' and the whole room aggro'd me and took me out in short order.
I have heard of people getting ships back because of agro bugs before...
Good, helps me cause then.
(Well, hopefully)
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.05.26 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bob Smackalof
Good, helps me cause then.
(Well, hopefully)
Good luck, mate!
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Bob Smackalof
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Posted - 2006.05.26 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Originally by: Bob Smackalof
Good, helps me cause then.
(Well, hopefully)
Good luck, mate!
Thx 
I miss Randooom Name IIÖ - R.I.P
I think I lost the first one to a mission too, I got it back so I kept the name similar
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Krav
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Posted - 2006.05.26 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Supox
Edited by: Supox on 26/05/2006 17:38:49
I guess I should read the forums more often. If this is a bug, I'd like to get my Raven back after losing it in the Guristas 2nd stage of lvl 4 Worlds Collide. I released my drones to try and combat the 'welcoming committee' and the whole room aggro'd me and took me out in short order.
How odd you lost it due to drones in that particular mission. Never happened to me. What I do: immediately head away from them (to the right) for a couple km, usually 10 km from the gate is good enough for me. Then I pull with my weapons and start using drones after the second or third group has been pulled. Drones never get targetted and sometimes they look like they get pretty close to the un-aggro'd groups. Enough to make me worry, but "nothing has happened yet"Ö.
Krav
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Close encounter of the Hijack kind? Impossible.
Unless it is as bad as I think...
And if they were out to get m-- |
D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.05.26 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 26/05/2006 19:53:48
Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 26/05/2006 19:52:37
Originally by: Zrakor
can't answer if it's regarded being a bug or accepted drone behavior. The GMs would have to answer that question Cool. But I did forward this thread to our testing department.
how can it be considered acceptable? or are people who fly dominix just not meant to do missions and wasted god knows how many millions of sp in drones
unless the same thing starts happening to missiles and guns how could it ever be considered acceptable
maybe i should just train to fly a raven like the other 70% of mission runners who fly them ,because ccp dont mind everyone flying the same ship and its something they want
btw since when did GM's become more importaint than the people who make the game? its like police becoming more powerful than the people who make the rules and makes no sense
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