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Adrie Atticus The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans 85	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:31:00 - [61] - Quote mkint wrote: Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward.
JEFFRAIDER Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 306	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:32:00 - [62] - Quote do any of u guys ever J/O with ur buddies? just asking
Graabeerd Khagah ImaNicePirate.com Real Alliance Such Relevance 136	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:35:00 - [63] - Quote Justice is being served, irregardless and this I applaud CCP for stepping in and dealing with this matter of importance, and to our community it's a resolve that will go down in history. Let it be recorded in history, that CCP, it's staff, partners and most of all this WONDERFUL COMMUNITY that I proudly represent to the world at large. On behalf of ImaNicePirate.com and [DOGE], this act of vandalism will not be tolerated, or any other act against this community will NOT be tolerated in the future. @CCP Falcon, you have my corp's word that we will ever be so vigilant, we will ever so protect the things that makes up this community known as Eveonline. Admiral Graabeerd Khagan, CEO ImaNicePirate.com
Blastcaps Madullier Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 125	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:36:00 - [64] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Another individual who was indirectly involved in the vandalism has received a 6 month ban from EVE Online on their sole registered account. The four individuals involved are also blacklisted permanently from attending future Fanfest events I am wondering with the one "Indirectly involved" why are they also receiving a perm ban on fanfest? I can see the 6 months account ban as one thing, but also perm banning them for being "indirectly involved" from fanfest seems a tad overly harsh, it's not like that person can even play eve for the next 6 months. or is that the person who put a sticker on the monument?
Arrith Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:38:00 - [65] - Quote mkint wrote: Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? I disagree. Perma-banned at the least is the best option for this situation. Just because they came forward and admitted to what they did while drunk (do we know they were drunk?) does not make what they did any less serious. Plus if they were drunk, maybe they shouldn't drink if they cannot control themselves.
Innominate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 554	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:43:00 - [66] - Quote Adrie Atticus wrote: In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward. In the real world, turning yourself in generally results in leniency.
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 3298	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:45:00 - [67] - Quote Innominate wrote: Adrie Atticus wrote: In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward. In the real world, turning yourself in generally results in leniency. Maybe leniency was already applied? We. Will. Never. Know. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Galen Darksmith Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate 218	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:46:00 - [68] - Quote Innominate wrote: Adrie Atticus wrote: In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward. In the real world, turning yourself in generally results in leniency. And unless CCP is pressing criminal charges, I would say they have been exactly that. "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
Dominous Nolen The Predictables 28	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:01:00 - [69] - Quote It was terrible to hear that this happened, but glad you guys were able to find the person(s) responsible. This is EVE, Not Hello Kitty: Island Adventure
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 2342	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:05:00 - [70] - Quote Malcanis wrote: MeBiatch wrote: Malcanis wrote: Random Interrupt wrote: This is why we can't have nice things. On the contrary; this is why we can have them. i know this is off topic but you left the CFC? You are not quitting the game are you? My subscriptions are currently cancelled. Surely the Kronos expansion cannot be that bad This is not a signature.
Vincent R'lyeh Screaming Hayabusa 288	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:06:00 - [71] - Quote All Hail The BanHammer! I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....
Innominate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 559	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:10:00 - [72] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: Innominate wrote: Adrie Atticus wrote: In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward. In the real world, turning yourself in generally results in leniency. Maybe leniency was already applied? We. Will. Never. Know. Well in this case a permaban is not leniency except for someone who lives in Iceland. You are correct though that it's entirely possible there were people only distantly involved who weren't punished and that the six month ban is for the one who did turn themselves in while the permabans are for the ones who didn't. The CCP statement can be read either way.
Dave Stark 5356	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:14:00 - [73] - Quote if people came forward to rat them out, people know who they are. names will come out, eventually.
Darkblad Hilfe is like Free Entertainment 214	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:15:00 - [74] - Quote Thanks for keeping uns informed, Falcon. Also thanks for CCP Falcon wrote: and the identities of those responsible will remain confidential. It saddens me that it's actually three (plus one) persons who showed this lack of respect, sense and all (that my non-native english expression skills lack to point out). But still, that's nothing compared to the community as a whole. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 15362	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:18:00 - [75] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: if people came forward to rat them out, people know who they are. names will come out, eventually. Why would anyone care who they are now? It's not like they're coming back here. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Dave Stark 5357	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:19:00 - [76] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Dave Stark wrote: if people came forward to rat them out, people know who they are. names will come out, eventually. Why would anyone care who they are now? It's not like they're coming back here. curiosity.
BadAssMcKill ElitistOps 776	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:20:00 - [77] - Quote JEFFRAIDER wrote: do any of u guys ever J/O with ur buddies? just asking Only when my crystal gets low .
Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen Islamic Movement of Minmatar 16	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:21:00 - [78] - Quote so it was not just one person involved.... wow
El Space Mariachi Love Squad Pasta Syndicate 85	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:22:00 - [79] - Quote JEFFRAIDER wrote: do any of u guys ever J/O with ur buddies? just asking i have a skype channel where we meet up once a week to swap stories and techniques .
JEFFRAIDER Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 307	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:22:00 - [80] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Dave Stark wrote: if people came forward to rat them out, people know who they are. names will come out, eventually. Why would anyone care who they are now? It's not like they're coming back here. wanna **** shame them
Masayo Gowa Kaira Innovations Superior Eve Engineering 0	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:23:00 - [81] - Quote great to hear that the guilty party's have been found and punished in a way CCP see's fit for the crime they comitted. and thanks such a quick response :)
Aryndel Vyst GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 740	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:28:00 - [82] - Quote Will I get in trouble if I request to have someone scratch my name out of the monument for being loosely associated with Xenuria?

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1289	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:32:00 - [83] - Quote mkint wrote: Bjurn Akely wrote: mkint wrote: You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean? Yes. It even went to the prosecutor. But that was not in any way related to eve. In fact it was back in the -80's. What's your point? The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest? Yes. For there is only one responsible for my actions, namely me. Even if I wasn't aware of the consequences or possible later repercussions at the time of those actions. And I have done some (in hindsight) rather stupid things irl.... ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 11879	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:36:00 - [84] - Quote Always sad to see that it has to come to bans, but very justified. Hopefully this is a pointer that regardless of how much pilots may dislike others in-game, taking it out of game is taking it too far. /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

Migui X'hyrrn Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 97	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:38:00 - [85] - Quote I love you so much CCP. Thanks for making this guys learn that real life stupidness has consequences. The monument is very important as we have our names there and represents the amazing community we have. I'm glad that this individuals are no longer within us.
Themanfromdalmontee EVE RADIO ARMY 40	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:39:00 - [86] - Quote mkint wrote: Bjurn Akely wrote: mkint wrote: You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean? Yes. It even went to the prosecutor. But that was not in any way related to eve. In fact it was back in the -80's. What's your point? The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest? Honesty is always the best policy. One of the reasons if you say yes I murdered someone and I'm sorry you get slightly less term in prison (plus saving on the court time).
Themanfromdalmontee EVE RADIO ARMY 40	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:42:00 - [87] - Quote Doesn't matter how horrible someone might be, how much they scammed you, how badly they treated you or podded you, or how much someone is like nails going down a blackboard, scratching out their name on something to commemorate us all is just wrong. Some people are just plain screwed in the head and hope they write a personal apology to the person involved.
Lady Areola Fappington new order logistics CODE. 1755	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:43:00 - [88] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: Yes. For there is only one responsible for my actions, namely me. Even if I wasn't aware of the consequences or possible later repercussions at the time of those actions. And I have done some (in hindsight) rather stupid things irl.... Was one of those replying to the "Congratulations, you've been accepted to the ISD CCL team!" I kid, I kid. The people who defaced the monument pretty much showed themselves to not be interested in being a member of the EVE community. Permaban was the appropriate way to handle it. If you want to express your displeasure with someone, be a grownup about it and violence their space canoe in game. Don't be a child and deface something that represents all of us, even if said thing is kind of silly. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 456	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:45:00 - [89] - Quote Galen Darksmith wrote: And unless CCP is pressing criminal charges, I would say they have been exactly that. If they did it would not be possible to keep the identities of the persons accused confidential. Same if they filed a civil suit against them.
Random Interrupt The Desolate Order Brave Collective 8	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:49:00 - [90] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Random Interrupt wrote: This is why we can't have nice things. On the contrary; this is why we can have them. Fair enough. CCP's response is perfect and I haven't seen anyone in the community support the actions of the vandals. So, I guess maybe we can have nice things. I just hope I get to see it in person one day.

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