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cynomakinggirl
No Risk No ISK
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:03:00 -
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As it is, ganking gives no risk whatsoever for the attacker, and all risk for the attacked.
The attacker only risks "losing" the potential loot if the drop is unlucky.
To counter this unfarly unbalanced mechanic, highsec NPC medical facilities will refuse to make a clone to whoever has a criminal flag.
If a criminal is podded after a crime, he/she can either chose to pay NPCs a huge amount of ISK per SP to "corrupt" it's way to a new clone, or get his/her character deleted forever.
Unleash the gankers tears!
"The internet is a reliable source of information." - Abraham Lincoln |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1344
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:05:00 -
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no |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2339
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:06:00 -
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The attacked will only lose what they are flying with.
Should someone who was ganked get there clone biomassed for making themselves a gank target?
-á --á |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Fidelas Constans
562
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:12:00 -
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If you're going to troll at least put some effort into it. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1774
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:17:00 -
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Yes, unleash severe punishment upon those who actually play this game.
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
oohthey ioh
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:19:00 -
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why do carebears hate gankers as much? so what they ganked you a few times here and there, but they remove items form circulation and generally help the market.
if anything they need more of a incentive to gank, ganking it's at all time low.
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Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
86
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:22:00 -
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i think anyone who undocks with a loot ammount making it worth suicide ganking the target should instantly recive criminal flags carebears who run missions in officer fit ships and people who haul high value stuff have it far too easy in this game and it's only ever by luck that they're caught. It should also send out a eve wide notification of the possible value of the loot to everyone with a sec status of -5 or below. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2172
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:25:00 -
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Something about making EvE "more accessible" to the masses has also brought with it many people who think of EvE as "every other MMO".
The NPE has tried helping with the "hey, you ship is just a gorram tool" thing -- two or three of the missions are "yup, we is gonna blow you up" -- but even that only goes so far -- because people apparently then attribute it to "well, rats can kill me ... OK..." and for whatever reason don't just treat hisec pirate types as "harder, smarter rats".
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1774
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:26:00 -
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Oh, I just remembered something: recycling characters to avoid consequences of one's actions is not allowed. With this change you would just circumvent this rule and in fact boost whole ganking business. So I guess let's do this.
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
cynomakinggirl
No Risk No ISK
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:35:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Oh, I just remembered something: recycling characters to avoid consequences of one's actions is not allowed. With this change you would just circumvent this rule and in fact boost whole ganking business. So I guess let's do this.
Make it last 1 month.
The NPC medical facility, after refusing to make you a clone, forgets to send a notice to the Amount Of Characters Per Account Police and they still think that your character is alive and well, refusing to allow you to make one more. It's only after a month of inactivity that they get suspicious and do a search to see if the character is still in the EVE Universe, to which they discover it isn't and allow you to make another.
"The internet is a reliable source of information." - Abraham Lincoln |
Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
88
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:40:00 -
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cynomakinggirl wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Oh, I just remembered something: recycling characters to avoid consequences of one's actions is not allowed. With this change you would just circumvent this rule and in fact boost whole ganking business. So I guess let's do this. Make it last 1 month. The NPC medical facility, after refusing to make you a clone, forgets to send a notice to the Amount Of Characters Per Account Police and they still think that your character is alive and well, refusing to allow you to make one more. It's only after a month of inactivity that they get suspicious and do a search to see if the character is still in the EVE Universe, to which they discover it isn't and allow you to make another.
no because that's a silly idea what if you're a pirate hunter and you've been teaching new pirates that it's a bad idea and you end up losing all your toons and then can't play for a month i think we should just biomas characters who come up with bad ideas like this and then ban the accounts of the people who make them |
cynomakinggirl
No Risk No ISK
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:46:00 -
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Gawain Edmond wrote:cynomakinggirl wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Oh, I just remembered something: recycling characters to avoid consequences of one's actions is not allowed. With this change you would just circumvent this rule and in fact boost whole ganking business. So I guess let's do this. Make it last 1 month. The NPC medical facility, after refusing to make you a clone, forgets to send a notice to the Amount Of Characters Per Account Police and they still think that your character is alive and well, refusing to allow you to make one more. It's only after a month of inactivity that they get suspicious and do a search to see if the character is still in the EVE Universe, to which they discover it isn't and allow you to make another. no because that's a silly idea what if you're a pirate hunter and you've been teaching new pirates that it's a bad idea and you end up losing all your toons and then can't play for a month i think we should just biomas characters who come up with bad ideas like this and then ban the accounts of the people who make them
Are you trying to say that now gankers, who stupidly enough get podded in highsec, and do it on all their toons, are the victims?
What about the ganked!? The ganked may have spent a year to accumulate all the wealth he is transporting in his juicy industrial.
"The internet is a reliable source of information." - Abraham Lincoln |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
Disband.
1182
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:55:00 -
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oohthey ioh wrote:why do carebears hate gankers as much?
Because bullying, terrorism, torture, genocide, vegitarianism, etc. Whatever nonsense "reason" is flavour of the hour.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1777
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:58:00 -
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cynomakinggirl wrote:The ganked may have spent a year to accumulate all the wealth he/she is transporting in his juicy industrial.
I too carry all my live savings in my pocket when going out.
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
488
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:59:00 -
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cynomakinggirl wrote:Unleash the gankers tears!
I guess you achieved that very quickly. 
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1459
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Posted - 2014.05.08 10:01:00 -
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cynomakinggirl wrote:
Are you trying to say that now gankers, who stupidly enough get podded in highsec, and do it on all their toons, are the victims?
What about the ganked!? The ganked may have spent a year to accumulate all the wealth he/she is transporting in his juicy industrial.
dnt carry everything u own in one trip. lesson learned. u are now smarter than other carebears. thank the ganker for the valuable education and ur new knowledge advantage over ur peers.
obligitory Hich sec is not safe. the game does not police gankers, its up to u to protect urself at all times.
and welcome to eve.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
cynomakinggirl
No Risk No ISK
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Posted - 2014.05.08 10:08:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:cynomakinggirl wrote:
Are you trying to say that now gankers, who stupidly enough get podded in highsec, and do it on all their toons, are the victims?
What about the ganked!? The ganked may have spent a year to accumulate all the wealth he/she is transporting in his juicy industrial.
dnt carry everything u own in one trip. lesson learned. u are now smarter than other carebears. thank the ganker for the valuable education and ur new knowledge advantage over ur peers. obligitory Hich sec is not safe. the game does not police gankers, its up to u to protect urself at all times. and welcome to eve.
No I don't want to make high sec safe, nor will this make it safer. On the contrary it will have the opposite effect, it will make highsec unsafer.
"The internet is a reliable source of information." - Abraham Lincoln |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1459
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Posted - 2014.05.08 10:12:00 -
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good for u.
answers still no.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2172
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Posted - 2014.05.08 10:48:00 -
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ban thread, biomass OP.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.05.08 10:54:00 -
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No, it's a rather silly idea and based upon a lie.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Camper101
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
985
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:02:00 -
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This thread is wrong in so many ways.
Ban OP please.
Edit: Referring to the first post: Why wouldn'T gankers just base their clones in Lowsec med facilities, when the highsec ones don't offer them their service anymore? ^^
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My name is Hans. The "L" stands for danger. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2173
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:13:00 -
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Camper101 wrote:This thread is wrong in so many ways.
Ban OP please.
Edit: Referring to the first post: Why wouldn'T gankers just base their clones in Lowsec med facilities, when the highsec ones don't offer them their service anymore? ^^
There is precedent for this --> see: Templar One (that Gallente Navy pilot who defected to Mordu's Legion).
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25609
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:20:00 -
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That's almst too easy... even for me. 
Let's just say: No, with a but... which is: I still find it rather strange that NPC corps have no problem whatsoever, reviving a character with a criminal flag... other then that: Unveasable idea, even for a non-ganker like me.
"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
Disband.
1184
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:27:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Let's just say: No, with a but... which is: I still find it rather strange that NPC corps have no problem whatsoever, reviving a character with a criminal flag... other then that: Unveasable idea, even for a non-ganker like me.
Why would the corporation care? Was it their stuff you shot in the process of becoming a criminal?
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
748
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:35:00 -
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cynomakinggirl wrote:As it is, ganking gives no risk whatsoever for the attacker, and all risk for the attacked.
The attacker only risks "losing" the potential loot if the drop is unlucky.
To counter this unfarly unbalanced mechanic, highsec NPC medical facilities will refuse to make a clone to whoever has a criminal flag.
If a criminal is podded after a crime, he/she can either chose to pay NPCs a huge amount of ISK per SP to "corrupt" it's way to a new clone, or get his/her character deleted forever.
Unleash the gankers tears!
My God!
Although I think the balance needs a little addressing, this is like .....? I cannot think of a suitably extreme analogy!
So bad idea, bad, bad........
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2173
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:35:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Let's just say: No, with a but... which is: I still find it rather strange that NPC corps have no problem whatsoever, reviving a character with a criminal flag... other then that: Unveasable idea, even for a non-ganker like me. Why would the corporation care? Was it their stuff you shot in the process of becoming a criminal?
that, and the 20 million ISK you just paid for a new clone ... fuuuu they're rich.
edit -- NEW IDEA
If NPC Corp income* drops off in a system (constellation / region), then mission payouts drop!
Now it's in your best interests that the other guys in your corp get the pod when you're at war (or when someone goes suspect / criminal).
*Income from people buying new Med Clones, taxes, etc.
edit 2 -- yes I know this is terrible (but it's not nearly as bad as the OP's)
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Titan Andronicus
Rookie Mission Tax Haven
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:03:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Let's just say: No, with a but... which is: I still find it rather strange that NPC corps have no problem whatsoever, reviving a character with a criminal flag... other then that: Unveasable idea, even for a non-ganker like me. Why would the corporation care? Was it their stuff you shot in the process of becoming a criminal?
It's a good point from a RP perspective as NPC corps are affiliated with an empire faction that you may have a severe negative status with an be considered an ememy. For the Caldari the corporations literally are the state. Why would they facilitate the activities of their enemies by allowing unregulated and unrestricted re-birth in their sovereign space?
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cynomakinggirl
No Risk No ISK
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:15:00 -
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Camper101 wrote:Why wouldn'T gankers just base their clones in Lowsec med facilities, when the highsec ones don't offer them their service anymore? ^^
Make it so that even lowsec ones don't accept clones in case of being podded while committing a crime in highsec, because then CONCORD would impose sanctions to the corporation because the corp "facilitates criminal activities".
"The internet is a reliable source of information." - Abraham Lincoln |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
984
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:46:00 -
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As a hardcore carebear, my opinion is an ABSOLUTE NO!!!!!
Ganking is a legitimate game mechanic.
Yes, if ganking becomes "too" common, it will drive people from the game, but CCP is well aware of this and has mechanics in place to assure it is kept to an acceptable level that allows ganking when appropriate but doesn't let it get too out of hand. |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
569
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:51:00 -
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Delete thread, ban OP.
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