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Ganandorf	Posted - 2006.05.25 13:43:00 - [1] Whichone is better?
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.25 13:44:00 - [2] Bears vs Orange Peelers : Which one is better? This would yield as much sense as your question. You need to be a lot more specific! better for what? Become my Wingman!
Ganandorf	Posted - 2006.05.25 13:46:00 - [3] better for general usage: POS ganking and the occasional bunch of BS that jump you
Phelan Lore	Posted - 2006.05.25 13:47:00 - [4] Originally by: Testy Mctest Bears vs Orange Peelers : Which one is better? This would yield as much sense as your question. You need to be a lot more specific! better for what? Umm bears are obviously better.
Laboratus	Posted - 2006.05.25 13:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Ganandorf Whichone is better? They do different types of damage and perform according to the situation. Having both would be best
Skva	Posted - 2006.05.25 13:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Phelan Lore Originally by: Testy Mctest Bears vs Orange Peelers : Which one is better? This would yield as much sense as your question. You need to be a lot more specific! better for what? Umm bears are obviously better. I vote orange peelers. Ever tried to use a bear to peel an orange? It gets messy. Your signature is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Jacques Archambault
Ganandorf	Posted - 2006.05.25 13:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Laboratus Originally by: Ganandorf Whichone is better? They do different types of damage and perform according to the situation. Having both would be best well let's just say i have both BS at lvl 4 and both guns at lvl 5 whichone should i train for?
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.05.25 13:52:00 - [8] Lets see. 3 Guns vs 3 Guns & Overpowered Drones. It's not that hard really, especially considering that the toughest POSs will usually be Minmatar ones, ie higher EM/Thermal resistances.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.25 13:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Ganandorf well let's just say i have both BS at lvl 4 and both guns at lvl 5 whichone should i train for? Sigh...have you read anything in this thread? What do you want it for? Specifically? Become my Wingman!
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.25 13:57:00 - [10] keep in mind that the amarr one can use pulse lasers while the galante one has to use rails, for anti POS id probably go with amarr one tbh -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Ganandorf	Posted - 2006.05.25 13:58:00 - [11] Edited by: Ganandorf on 25/05/2006 13:58:27 Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Ganandorf well let's just say i have both BS at lvl 4 and both guns at lvl 5 whichone should i train for? Sigh...have you read anything in this thread? What do you want it for? Specifically? pos ganking and moros' best guns aren't usable on POS
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:00:00 - [12] For PoS ganking, personally I'd take a Revelation. No ammo, all fuel = win. Become my Wingman!
Ganandorf	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Testy Mctest For PoS ganking, personally I'd take a Revelation. No ammo, all fuel = win. if the two of them would be ganking eachother who would win?
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:05:00 - [14] Edited by: Gronsak on 25/05/2006 14:05:32 Originally by: Ganandorf Originally by: Testy Mctest For PoS ganking, personally I'd take a Revelation. No ammo, all fuel = win. if the two of them would be ganking eachother who would win? none they cant break each others tanks, not even close! -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:06:00 - [15] And when do you see 2 Dreads shooting eachother, like, ever? That's irrelevant.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Ganandorf Originally by: Testy Mctest For PoS ganking, personally I'd take a Revelation. No ammo, all fuel = win. if the two of them would be ganking eachother who would win? BoB would Become my Wingman!
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:07:00 - [17] Originally by: Testy Mctest For PoS ganking, personally I'd take a Revelation. No ammo, all fuel = win. Hardly. Just get plenty of Dreads and you will only need a single Siege cycle. (And yes, alliances have such Dread numbers.)
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Testy Mctest For PoS ganking, personally I'd take a Revelation. No ammo, all fuel = win. Hardly. Just get plenty of Dreads and you will only need a single Siege cycle. (And yes, alliances have such Dread numbers.) yes but amarr one can use close range guns which gives it more damage output also id say its a better group pos dred, if u know u got 20+ dreds and that your gona take the pos down quick you can start fitting a few dmg mods and rev having the 8 lows imo would be better than the moros at that, also more dreds = less pos tanking per dred! ability to fit pulse puts amarr one on top for me! -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:10:00 - [19] What if 20 BS warp into your 20 Revelations? -> 20 dead Revelations. What if 20 BS warp into your 20 Moros's? -> 10 dead BS and 10 running BS.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Elve Sorrow What if 20 BS warp into your 20 Revelations? -> 20 dead Revelations. What if 20 BS warp into your 20 Moros's? -> 10 dead BS and 10 running BS. 20 moros can take care of themselfs, but 20 rev with 5 frigs with webbers can also take care of themselfs -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Elve Sorrow What if 20 BS warp into your 20 Revelations? -> 20 dead Revelations. What if 20 BS warp into your 20 Moros's? -> 10 dead BS and 10 running BS. 20 moros can take care of themselfs, but 20 rev with 5 frigs with webbers can also take care of themselfs Trust me, you dont want to warp a fleet into a POS. I've lead a fleet like that, to save some of our Dreads at a POS. It wasnt pretty. Also, a web will do exactly fck all.
Murehk	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:29:00 - [22] Elve has got a good point there, with skills at lvl 4 you can have the equivilent damage and hp of 15 heavy drones, now that aint something you want to be running into if you're in a BS. Heck, if you really wanted you could even try a vamped up Moros for a bit of a PvP laugh.
Khory Thunderstar	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:51:00 - [23] Umm... moros gatecamping anyone?
Talos Munjab	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:56:00 - [24] korry your a evil evil person, however i would say a nyx was better for gate camping
Kunming	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:58:00 - [25] Revelation tanks better than moros, and blasters cant really hit large towers. Also revelation can use all of its cargo bay for fuel; it is the better siege engine compared to the moros, but on the other hand moros' drones will rip you apart if you come close. I'd say the naglfar needs some love. Maybe remove 1 low and add 1 med slot, or change one of the launcher hardpoints to a turret one and remove the missile bonus for a turret one. It has the worst tank and it cant really live up to its description of having the highest dmg potential. On a different note, 1000 MN afterburners and MWDs together with XL plates and extenders are really needed to allow dreads anything than else than just POS ganking (which is dead boring, I wanna risk my 3 billion ship and have some fun)
Liare	Posted - 2006.05.25 14:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Elve Sorrow What if 20 BS warp into your 20 Revelations? -> 20 dead Revelations. What if 20 BS warp into your 20 Moros's? -> 10 dead BS and 10 running BS. 20 moros can take care of themselfs, but 20 rev with 5 frigs with webbers can also take care of themselfs Trust me, you dont want to warp a fleet into a POS. I've lead a fleet like that, to save some of our Dreads at a POS. It wasnt pretty. Also, a web will do exactly fck all. i was there :( one volley'ed by a medium artillery battery while loading, poor claw.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.25 15:02:00 - [27] Edited by: Testy Mctest on 25/05/2006 15:02:35 Originally by: Kunming XL plates They might as well be in....regenerative thingies. The ones with % hp increase. Become my Wingman!
Keta Min	Posted - 2006.05.25 16:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Testy Mctest Edited by: Testy Mctest on 25/05/2006 15:02:35 Originally by: Kunming XL plates They might as well be in....regenerative thingies. The ones with % hp increase. not even close to being an "xl plate" unless they give 63% armor HP bonus which is about the number a 1600mm tungsten gives to a normal BS.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.25 16:17:00 - [29] For killing POS, revelation For killing ships, moros
Jim Steele	Posted - 2006.05.25 17:09:00 - [30] Edited by: Jim Steele on 25/05/2006 17:10:34 Which BS5 you train comes down to a few things, dreads carriers and your skills Dreads A revelation can be a pretty mean BS killer with Dual Giga Pulse and two target painters but the Moros doesnt actually need to fit anything special to his ship to get the same effect.. A Moros's drone bonus means they can murder interceptors with T2 lights, Cruisers with T2 mediums and Battleships with T2 heavys.. Its pretty much a no brainer. So id agree with the others, Amarr for POS bashing, Galante for everything else Carriers The carrier also does up to 50% more damage at level 5 (40% with level 4 dread). The Caldari and Ammarr one only have 20% extra resistances at level 4, 25% maximum. So you are gaining much more flying galante Basically galante and overpowered drones seem to be the i-win way to go, but then also consider once Tuxford realises this he will hit them with a fairly heafty swing of his nerf bat everyone will whine and leave the game etc.. etc and generally it will be messy.. As for skills, if you can use t2 large energy and not hybrid then amarr is a no brainer, if its the other way round, go galante. This is because you will take the same time again to train up for the other turrets. In fact longer.. unless you were going for caldari of course who only need torps 5 which is pretty easy to train for. Author of "The Apoc Guide"
Nafri	Posted - 2006.05.25 18:08:00 - [31] Moros are better easily Thy just have to use 5 hammerhead II to be safe from all kind of stuff coming in. Much more than 1000 DPS from its Drones (could be way more, did the math for another thread) is just nice. With Ogres II you can even get 4000 DPS. Summertime - Campingtime!
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.25 18:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Nafri Moros are better easily Thy just have to use 5 hammerhead II to be safe from all kind of stuff coming in. Much more than 1000 DPS from its Drones (could be way more, did the math for another thread) is just nice. With Ogres II you can even get 4000 DPS. 4000DPS? From drones alone? Shesh you're smoking good stuff Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.25 18:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Nafri Moros are better easily With Ogres II you can even get 4000 DPS. no you cant, siege mode doesnt buff ur drone dmg the DPS from ogre t2s doesnt even pass 1100DPS -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.05.25 18:19:00 - [34] Originally by: Gronsak the DPS from ogre t2s doesnt even pass 1100DPS You say it as if thats a laughable number. Thats a prepatch Gankageddon's worth of damage ffs.
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.05.25 18:22:00 - [35] Just as a Battleship can kill Cruisers can Dreads kill Battleships, at least for the Moros. "We brake for nobody"
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.05.25 18:23:00 - [36] Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 25/05/2006 18:25:11 Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Just as a Battleship can kill Cruisers can Dreads kill Battleships, at least for the Moros. Ofcourse that's somewhat exaggerated.. The Phoenix and to an extend the Naglfar do alright, but oddly enough they do it best while in Siege mode.
Ooka	Posted - 2006.05.25 18:26:00 - [37] I do seem to remember the devs saying in siege mode Dreads would be anti-structure, and out of siege would be anti-BS. Moros fits this perfectly... Other dreads should get a little more in the way of anti-BS.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.25 18:26:00 - [38] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Gronsak the DPS from ogre t2s doesnt even pass 1100DPS You say it as if thats a laughable number. Thats a prepatch Gankageddon's worth of damage ffs. that is less than current gankageddens worth of damage or current blasterthrons dmg also, 5 light jammer drones = moot morons drones 1x any racial or multispec = one of the 5 drones down so if attacking grop have 5 jammers, or 5 light jamming drones between them, moros drone damage = 0 also thats less than 1100 DPS with dred lvl 5 -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.05.25 18:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Gronsak that is less than current gankageddens worth of damage or current blasterthrons dmg That's accounting drone damage. Old gankageddon without drones did 1200 dps. (Old stats) t2 ammo also partly compensated for the changes made to the stacking penalty (... ) NB.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.25 18:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Naughty Boy Originally by: Gronsak that is less than current gankageddens worth of damage or current blasterthrons dmg That's accounting drone damage. Old gankageddon without drones did 1200 dps. (Old stats) t2 ammo also partly compensated for the changes made to the stacking penalty (... ) NB. any chance of a readable version? Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.05.25 18:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Sarmaul any chance of a readable version? Like this ? ... It would look dodgy digging old stuffs and presenting them as if they were modern . NB.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.05.26 10:00:00 - [42] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Nafri Moros are better easily With Ogres II you can even get 4000 DPS. no you cant, siege mode doesnt buff ur drone dmg the DPS from ogre t2s doesnt even pass 1100DPS our Moros guys say something different and Im pretty sure that siege module affects drone damage Summertime - Campingtime!

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