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soul finder	Posted - 2006.05.26 06:24:00 - [1] Last night my ceo and where in a 0.4 system looking for people to ransom when we came upon a Hulk mining by itself. The character using the miner is roughly 6 months old and left his old corp, which has over 500 players, several days ago. In short we warped in and warp scrambled him hit him with 4 heavy nos. My ceo private chatted him and demanded 20mil ransom, which we feel is ok,since a Hulk is worth roughly 500mil. The player told him that we needed more help to destroy him, we were in a Raven and Scorpion. The loner proceeded to launch 5 med drones, I have no idea why he did this. So, we let loose and proceeded to destroy him in less than a minute. Minutes later he eve mailed us and told us to pay 1 billion isk within 24hrs or our corp would be destroyed. YARRRRRRR told him to get a life.
Nahia Senne	Posted - 2006.05.26 06:30:00 - [2] you have no life if you think that this is forum worthy good job btw. tell the hulk pilot that he is a complete idiot for being caught by 2 BS's.
soul finder	Posted - 2006.05.26 06:41:00 - [3] The only reason I put it in forum is to show how idiotic some people can be. Why lose a 500mil ship? Pay the ransom. And I guess the Hulk pilot felt that because he was so big that noone would attack him:)
Alliaanna Dalaii	Posted - 2006.05.26 07:42:00 - [4] Why ransom for 20mill ? Isn't the insurance on a hulk a joke ?? Iether way..... meh Alliaanna Official Follower of =-= Royal Hiigaran Navy =-=
Balklanac	Posted - 2006.05.26 07:46:00 - [5] 200m,.typo ? -------------------------------
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.26 10:04:00 - [6] I would have hit him for 350mil Maybe negotiated down a bit. He's an idiot if he thinks he could tank you. You shoulda shot him down to hull before asking for money
ReaperOfSly	Posted - 2006.05.26 12:15:00 - [7] The reason nobody pays ransoms is because some pirates just blow you up anyway. Also, some people would rather die than give money to a pirate. It's pride. --------------------------------------------------------------------
50freefly	Posted - 2006.05.26 12:56:00 - [8] Yeah, my corp doesn't allow the paying of ransoms. "I can do all things through Him who strengthens me" (Philippians 4:13)
Swethren	Posted - 2006.05.26 12:59:00 - [9] Originally by: 50freefly Yeah, my corp doesn't allow the paying of ransoms. Excuse me... as soon as my corp tells me what I can and can't do with my ISK and my ship is the day they see me walking through the door... Swethren
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.26 13:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Swethren Originally by: 50freefly Yeah, my corp doesn't allow the paying of ransoms. Excuse me... as soon as my corp tells me what I can and can't do with my ISK and my ship is the day they see me walking through the door... Swethren qft Also, given i'm my own CEO, i think i'll have serious problems with that
Swethren	Posted - 2006.05.26 13:13:00 - [11] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Swethren Originally by: 50freefly Yeah, my corp doesn't allow the paying of ransoms. Excuse me... as soon as my corp tells me what I can and can't do with my ISK and my ship is the day they see me walking through the door... Swethren qft Also, given i'm my own CEO, i think i'll have serious problems with that Multiple personalities ftw? Swethren
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2006.05.26 13:16:00 - [12] Originally by: ReaperOfSly The reason nobody pays ransoms is because some pirates just blow you up anyway. Also, some people would rather die than give money to a pirate. It's pride. tbh, its all down to how you aproach the victim, I can get a ransom out of most people.
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.05.26 14:12:00 - [13] Originally by: HippoKing I would have hit him for 350mil Maybe negotiated down a bit. He's an idiot if he thinks he could tank you. You shoulda shot him down to hull before asking for money Are you some sortt of pirate now?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.26 14:26:00 - [14] Edited by: HippoKing on 26/05/2006 14:28:45 I'm a lot happier shooting at people than i was. An undefended hulk deserves everything he gets
Lance Hawke	Posted - 2006.05.26 14:30:00 - [15] You asked for a 20mil ransom for a 500mil ship... This is a joke right?
VoiDeD	Posted - 2006.05.26 14:36:00 - [16] ROFL.. 20mil.. -----
50freefly	Posted - 2006.05.28 04:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Swethren Originally by: 50freefly Yeah, my corp doesn't allow the paying of ransoms. Excuse me... as soon as my corp tells me what I can and can't do with my ISK and my ship is the day they see me walking through the door... Swethren Erm... I would have made the same decision had I been a solo player, as I'd rather lose my ship rather than x amount of money AND my ship... Plus, my corp reimburses you if you lose your ship to pirates, it's just an ethics thing about the ransoms. "I can do all things through Him who strengthens me" (Philippians 4:13)
Adorna	Posted - 2006.05.28 04:38:00 - [18] Originally by: ReaperOfSly The reason nobody pays ransoms is because some pirates just blow you up anyway. Also, some people would rather die than give money to a pirate. It's pride. If you are being ransomed, that usually means you already lost! You are being given a chance to save your ship! It is a privilege. This whole pride idea is a big misconception and it needs to STOP!
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.05.28 04:51:00 - [19] Breaking the hulks tank and then re-commencing the ransoming process seemed to me like the smartest possible course of action. Silly fella probably thought that because he can tank a bs or 2 in 0.0 that players had the same damage output
Jhonen Senraedi	Posted - 2006.05.28 04:53:00 - [20] As I have said before....more people would pay ransoms,in general,if more reasonable amounts were asked... In this case it seems 20 million was too much...but I would have thought 40-80 million would be quite reasonable for a 400 million isk ship like a hulk. Other ships though....seen some people saying they charge 15 mill for a BC...realistically a charge of 20-25% would probably get more responses...much more and people will think that they may as well collect insurance.
Antillies	Posted - 2006.05.28 05:00:00 - [21] 20mil well done with the kill though.
vile56	Posted - 2006.05.28 05:17:00 - [22] Originally by: 50freefly Originally by: Swethren Originally by: 50freefly Yeah, my corp doesn't allow the paying of ransoms. Excuse me... as soon as my corp tells me what I can and can't do with my ISK and my ship is the day they see me walking through the door... Swethren Erm... I would have made the same decision had I been a solo player, as I'd rather lose my ship rather than x amount of money AND my ship... Plus, my corp reimburses you if you lose your ship to pirates, it's just an ethics thing about the ransoms. corp would replace a hulk? must self destruct a cnr
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.05.28 05:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Nahia Senne you have no life if you think that this is forum worthy You have no life if you think that is post worthy You should stop posting unless you want everyone to see your lack of intelligence I can write anything as long as I put a smily at the end, isn't that cool
Talon Calais	Posted - 2006.05.28 06:54:00 - [24] You think thats bad? We killed a pith/dread booster/amp raven (Thanks for the 350 mil btw) in a ice belt, then the mackinaw told us to f*ck off after asking 100 mil, dropped over 150mil in ice miner IIs and other goodies when we nuked him. Apparently money was of no consequence for him.
Tetovo	Posted - 2006.05.28 06:59:00 - [25] Originally by: 50freefly Originally by: Swethren Originally by: 50freefly Yeah, my corp doesn't allow the paying of ransoms. Excuse me... as soon as my corp tells me what I can and can't do with my ISK and my ship is the day they see me walking through the door... Swethren Erm... I would have made the same decision had I been a solo player, as I'd rather lose my ship rather than x amount of money AND my ship... Plus, my corp reimburses you if you lose your ship to pirates, it's just an ethics thing about the ransoms. You probably wouldnt lose your ship too....any pirate who dishonors a ransom problably never gets one ever again.
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.05.28 08:15:00 - [26] Can't post the link to the killmail, but a corpmate killed a Hulk in his Rifter last night. I guess flying one of those ships leads to a sense of overconfidence. -- [THARS] is recruiting Originally by: Mephysto solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
Malken	Posted - 2006.05.28 08:25:00 - [27] rofl funny thread Quote: [05:17:46] Obiareus > freindlies dock or safespot [05:17:51] Obiareus > YOU CANNOT WIN
macroscum killer	Posted - 2006.05.28 12:11:00 - [28] i never pay ransoms and never will . dont pay ransoms dont trust pirates they have no honour they pick on the weak and the noobs they have no balls
Jesus	Posted - 2006.05.28 12:19:00 - [29] a hulk setup correctly can tank a raven using jav torps if the jav torps are the dmg that he is tanked against and the raven has no painters. but 2 bs a hulk has no chance heck against 1 bs a hulk has no chance
Talon Calais	Posted - 2006.05.28 13:23:00 - [30] How the hell is it going to tank, it has 500 base cap, as soon as it gets nos'd it will die, you can't exactly mount a cruiser sized tank with 35 PG and still fit your mining lasers, and hope to survive more than 10 seconds.
Terrak2	Posted - 2006.05.28 14:13:00 - [31] 1) Why did you post this? Nobody cares that you ransomed a Hulk then blew it up. Pirating isn't that uncommon. 2) You owned yourself by ransoming him for 20m. Your post about how ubar you are now shows how stupid you are. Good day, and stop spamming the boards with useless topics. -- Terror Legion - Recruiting
Cmdr Patrick	Posted - 2006.05.28 14:28:00 - [32] How many hulks have you ransomed and killed terrak master of the anti-hulk?
Krulla	Posted - 2006.05.28 16:19:00 - [33] Originally by: ReaperOfSly The reason nobody pays ransoms is because some pirates just blow you up anyway. 1 in every 100 pirates or so doesn't honor ransoms. The vast, vast, vast, vast majority does. Tarkin > Omfg, frigs are such bs. Red 5 > lolol, lern 2 play plz noob SIG HIJACK!!11 RAWRR!!1- IMMY
vile56	Posted - 2006.05.28 17:26:00 - [34] Originally by: Terrak2 1) Why did you post this? Nobody cares that you ransomed a Hulk then blew it up. Pirating isn't that uncommon. 2) You owned yourself by ransoming him for 20m. Your post about how ubar you are now shows how stupid you are. Good day, and stop spamming the boards with useless topics. seems bears whineing isnt that uncommon either
Shorty Life	Posted - 2006.05.28 18:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi As I have said before....more people would pay ransoms,in general,if more reasonable amounts were asked... In this case it seems 20 million was too much...but I would have thought 40-80 million would be quite reasonable for a 400 million isk ship like a hulk. Other ships though....seen some people saying they charge 15 mill for a BC...realistically a charge of 20-25% would probably get more responses...much more and people will think that they may as well collect insurance. I have gotten 25M on BCs =)
Ehker Gerete	Posted - 2006.05.29 02:35:00 - [36] Originally by: macroscum killer i never pay ransoms and never will . dont pay ransoms dont trust pirates they have no honour they pick on the weak and the noobs they have no balls post with your main oh by the way, i think it takes balls to take on a recon ship and a 3 year old player in a typhoon when youre in a rupture and have a ferox and caracal and condor helping you btw phoon pilot, if youre reading this, good fight and that was an incredible tank. -------------- blah blahblah blah blah blow up stuff blah blahblahblah kill blah blahblahblah destroy
mamolian	Posted - 2006.05.29 10:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Adorna If you are being ransomed, that usually means you already lost! You are being given a chance to save your ship! It is a privilege. This whole pride idea is a big misconception and it needs to STOP! Id rather take the loss than pay a ransom to be honest. Go down in a blaze of glory and all that.. On the hulk tanking.. ive noticed the trend that some miners think hulks are rather invincible.. what they fail to realise.. is an NPC BS can be less dangerous than a PC frigate. No.. your hulks cant tank 2 battelships.. So personally found the OP's story rather amusing. -------------------------------
GruFF83	Posted - 2006.05.29 12:02:00 - [38] we took a hulk into hull with 2 inties and a merlin, didnt take long at all. got a 70 mil ransom, but that was cheap. The guy should have payed the 20 mil
Legenda	Posted - 2006.05.29 12:54:00 - [39] I dont fly anything i cant afford to loose So if some smarta$$ pirate feels the need to ransom me i just show him the finger [ 2005.12.07 17:45:23 ] Ikvar > Are you really that stupid? [ 2005.12.07 17:45:30 ] Spr1nger > YES
Izo Azlion	Posted - 2006.05.29 13:25:00 - [40] Originally by: ReaperOfSly The reason nobody pays ransoms is because some pirates just blow you up anyway. Also, some people would rather die than give money to a pirate. It's pride. "I'm proud I lost my hugely expensive ship, because I've got my head so far up my own backside I cant see sense." Alot of people doing that these days, hehe. Izo Azlion. Sha Kharn. Ascendant Frontier ---
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2006.05.29 13:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Terrak2 1) Why did you post this? Nobody cares that you ransomed a Hulk then blew it up. Pirating isn't that uncommon. 2) You owned yourself by ransoming him for 20m. Your post about how ubar you are now shows how stupid you are. Good day, and stop spamming the boards with useless topics. Erm, a lot of people do actually enjoy hearing cool or unusual stories. I can tell you now, if people could walk around stations, our avatars would be telling stuff like this in the bar.
Fluffy Rabbit	Posted - 2006.05.29 23:23:00 - [42] Well I ransomed a Hulk Friday night for 150 mil and he gladly payed up when he was in 50% hull. I was in a caracal. Hulks arent that tough if they dont have backup. 20 mil ransom is a joke. If he wont pay in 2 mins kill him and take the lasers and crystals for more then the 20 mil you just ransomed him for.
Jezra Li	Posted - 2006.05.30 02:19:00 - [43] It's amusing how many people say that it's OK to pay randsoms, because pirates are honorable. Then you read these forums and see how many pirates say "If they pay the randsom, I blow them up. I want to see what they felt like protecting." Basically, it's easier to just loose the ship than hope you've gotten lucky in the roulette of pirates and gotten an honorable one. You have nobody to blame but the others in your profession in this case.
Krb686	Posted - 2006.05.30 02:44:00 - [44] Edited by: Krb686 on 30/05/2006 02:45:27 Yea... i can pretty much see most pirates taking the ransom and then blowing you up just because its only a game, they don't care what you feel like in real life...the more money the better to them...and some of 'em say they are honest and all but im sure they've dishonored some..which is why i'll never pay ransom. Moreover never travel alone in a low sec in a friggin hulk.
Lord Spidey	Posted - 2006.05.30 02:52:00 - [45] Originally by: Cmdr Patrick How many hulks have you ransomed and killed terrak master of the anti-hulk?
Yonos	Posted - 2006.05.30 03:23:00 - [46] best defense for hulk pilot...run (duh?)
Tapper Jackson	Posted - 2006.10.13 07:13:00 - [47] I'm a noob and even I know a Hulk can't tank against much more than rats. Two battleships against one lone Hulk. Myààaren't we the brave ones. Perhaps the Hulk pilot was being sarcastic when he said you'd need help. Perhaps launching his drones was a flip of the middle finger to you. What I really find funny about this thread and others are the number of people who find some pirates to be honorable and some to be dishonorable. They are pirates. Pirates do not have honor. They steal from others. Just a game? Sure it is and I'm not about to say piracy should be banned from the game. It adds an element of realism to the game. However, when you steal in the game you should be aware that it took real time to gain whatever it is you're stealing. You're stealing that time, not simply virtual items. It's absurd that some pirates feel they have honor or even, if you can believe it, honesty because they don't blow someone up if ransom is paid. It's like a mugger saying he has honor because he didn't kill the person who gave him their wallet and wedding ring. If you're a pirate, stop trying to fool yourself. You're a thief. Learn to embrace your base nature. Some pirates are simply bigger jerks than others. Pay ransom to a pirate? Makes economic sense, but I'll never do it. Not one ISK. Sorry if that ruins the fun for some pirates who enjoy making people pay. I prefer not to give them the pleasure and I can always get another ship. Hey, it's a game. Suck it up, pirates. Oh, and please don't give me that tired argument about it being for profit. There are far faster ways to make money. Pirates just like making people sweat.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.13 07:25:00 - [48] Originally by: Tapper Jackson Waaaaahhmmmaaabullancceee Awwww, someone doesnt like pirates, ran into one recently? Ps: Necroing old topics bad... agains the rules too. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Corwain Gallente Infinite Innovations	Posted - 2006.10.13 07:32:00 - [49] I wish you'd ransom me. I ran a T1 fitted T1 frig through some lowsec empire earlier tonight without instas on the way to teach a friend how to rat. Being in a hurry I decided to just risk it. Last system before high sec space a pirate chases me to a gate. As soon as he scrams me I don't fire and offer to pay a 20mil ransom (for a <1mil frig). I make that so fast on my main I don't care paying but hate the inconvenience of putting together a new frigate especially as my friend is waiting on me and has to go to sleep soon. Basiacally it goes down like this: Me: Will you take 20mil for my ship Pirate keeps shooting, ship pops, I warp away in my pod Pirate: No, I kill people Me: Uhh...ok, enjoy the killmail Thats the Pirate Coalition for you I guess. I believe pirates offering ransoms are an EVE myth. Been playing for 6-8 months now and never seen one.
Wotar	Posted - 2006.10.13 08:20:00 - [50] Originally by: Tapper Jackson waffle This response took 5 months to write?
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:36:00 - [51] Originally by: Tapper Jackson blah blah blah whine whine blah blah I offer ransoms where I can, and honor them. The myth aint pirates honoring ransoms, the myth is players honoring them...more then often players will stall and lie to try and get help from friends and what not, or try something really desperate to get away. Piracy isn't about being brave, heroic or some such..if you think it is, I suggest you go read up on just what exactly spawned pirates back in the pioneer days. On the account of "stealing" people's real time on gaining virtual items, I don't really give a crap, nor should I..We all loose ships one way or another, and thats okay. This whole thing is largely builty on the roman "trial and error" concept. Keep at it until it succeds, cause you won't get it the first 583204 times. But once you get there, it's all been worth it and you wouldn't have wanted to have been without any of the crap you went though, trust me, you'll see. If you loose a ship, suck it up and build a new ship. It's a game. Whether the loss of you ship is at the hands of a player pirate, or NPC pirate doesn't matter, and while we're at that, I never see anyone talking down about NPC's, saying they have RL issues, wet their bed, fail at life or have the mindset equivelant to various degrees of retardedness. Why is that? Because dying to an NPC is your own fault for not paying attention, or being prepared well enough? Because NPC's aren't real people and are automated to attack you, thus have no choice unlike us? I'm sorry but both arguments are invalid: For one, dying to a player means the exact same thing as dying to an NPC. it means it was your own fault for not paying attention and not being prepared well enough to begin with. Second, player pirates aren't npc's true enough, but guys wake up. This is an MMORPG and the "RPG" (contrary to popular belief of "Role Playing Girls") means Role Playing Game and the game is flooded with an amazing history both in culture and science. So why exactly should we set our character so far from that? Playing your character as a seperated entity from the world is not playing the game at all. Plus people go ballistic about losses aren't really playing the game either, they are playing themselves. Loss sucks, always did. But if there were no risk involved, if you could fly around in flowery roid fields and know no harm will come to you, then EVE is no longer worth playing. The simple fact that flying around in low sec space and doing your buisness, knowing that any moment, pirates and murderers could be abound to attempt to kill you, is what make this game EXCITING dammit! Why do you think theres industry? Because people need ships and equipment. If there were no pirates to randomly blow that stuff up or put the industry engine at risk now and then. Then unless you're in BoB, or ASCN or some other major alliance that like to kick the crap out of each other, industry will decrease dramatically, simply because the demand for ships will drop as nobody is dying anymore. What would you do without pirates? walk in your repetitive treadmill for the next 5 years in EVE of doing agent missions, and mining while singing happy lovey dovey songs? And do what with it? No, trust me, sooner or later when you have the abilities, ships and equipment, you're going to want to blow something up that 'aint an NPC. Because whether you like to admit it or not, blowing sh** up is damn fun. Like george carlin once said; "Take a fckin' chance for once in your life will ya". That's my 5 cents. -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right*
ian666 Minmatar Turbulent	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:53:00 - [52] I think grouping pirates together is unfair I've yet to see a Ransom not honored and I've been around along time so your quote that pirates don't honor ransoms is unfair and prob down to you not having one honored one time by some new pirate. There is a small % that will not as there are people that don't honor 1 vs 1's your always going to get that. If i was the hulk pilot I think I would pay 50% of the value of the ship no problem in a ransom, even more if it was in 0.0 due to the effort of having to ship my self a new one in. As for your 20 million ransom I'm not sure who is the noob, you for asking for such a low amount when the ship is worth so much or the pilot for just being pain stubbed and losing alot more for his actions.
DarkElf Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.10.13 16:42:00 - [53] Edited by: DarkElf on 13/10/2006 16:43:42
stoats girl	Posted - 2006.10.13 17:22:00 - [54] Necro ftw Hulks solo in low sec ftl unless you own the BPO.
Varelse Wiggin Minmatar Sector 7	Posted - 2006.10.13 17:29:00 - [55] Edited by: Varelse Wiggin on 13/10/2006 17:32:17 Originally by: Tapper Jackson I'm a noob and even I know a Hulk can't tank against much more than rats. Two battleships against one lone Hulk. Myààaren't we the brave ones. Perhaps the Hulk pilot was being sarcastic when he said you'd need help. Perhaps launching his drones was a flip of the middle finger to you. What I really find funny about this thread and others are the number of people who find some pirates to be honorable and some to be dishonorable. They are pirates. Pirates do not have honor. They steal from others. Just a game? Sure it is and I'm not about to say piracy should be banned from the game. It adds an element of realism to the game. However, when you steal in the game you should be aware that it took real time to gain whatever it is you're stealing. You're stealing that time, not simply virtual items. It's absurd that some pirates feel they have honor or even, if you can believe it, honesty because they don't blow someone up if ransom is paid. It's like a mugger saying he has honor because he didn't kill the person who gave him their wallet and wedding ring. If you're a pirate, stop trying to fool yourself. You're a thief. Learn to embrace your base nature. Some pirates are simply bigger jerks than others. Pay ransom to a pirate? Makes economic sense, but I'll never do it. Not one ISK. Sorry if that ruins the fun for some pirates who enjoy making people pay. I prefer not to give them the pleasure and I can always get another ship. Hey, it's a game. Suck it up, pirates. Oh, and please don't give me that tired argument about it being for profit. There are far faster ways to make money. Pirates just like making people sweat. Thread winner. Seems like far too many pirates don't understand that they're stealing from other players. Sure it's a game, and I realise that being a pirate/theif/scoundrel in game doesn't necessarily make you one out of game. So don't even throw that tired argument at me. Also, before you say "LOL RAN INTO A PIRATE U SUX" i'll have you know that I was a pirate at one point and I have indeed been pirated before, then I moved on to 0.0 life and started fighting fights for something other than an easy buck. So I know exactly what it's like, and it was a fun time. Anyway though, for Mr. Tapper here, ignore the majority of the ****wits that post in this forum. They seem to have trouble admitting that piracy isn't an honorable profession. It's like "Honor Amongst Theives," the only guys who find it honorable are other theives. ------- As for the pride bit, those of you that say players are stupid for clinging to what pride they've got left by not bending over completely after getting beaten are...I don't know how to put it...laughable? Paying a ransom (bending over to get the shaft) is a sign of weakness and the inability to self-sustain, even if it is wise financially. Edit- Every time I come back to this forum I find a new joke from the current wave of pirates. Up above somewhere in some lengthy post I saw a bit about "dying is your own fault for not being prepared." I'm sorry, but there are some situations which are entirely unescapable just short of logging out or stabbing your ship to hell and back, and if I recall correctly those are both major gripes in the pirate community at the moment. So shut the hell up.
Dryxonedes Sae Whine Distillery	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:04:00 - [56] To me what so many people fail to grasp is this... Honour is a completely different thing to ethics. A pirate/murderer etc (whatever you call yourself) has no ethics in this regard, zero, zip. Your shooting people either for the fun, for the profit, for some combo of those, or maybe something else. Honour however, relates (to me) soley to how the person holds themselves in relation to others. Do they lie? Do they use a known exploit? Things like that to me betray honour. A "pirate" who stays true to his word on all accounts, i would always regard as an honourable one. Like has been posted by others, majority of ransoms are honoured, and both the customer and assistant walk away happier out of the situation than other outcomes would of provided. Would be nice if there were a way to run an active survey each time someone was ransomed, and record whether itwas honoured or not.... ** Where's the problem? It's called natural selection - The bottom of the **ing food chain. -Denis Leary
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:41:00 - [57] Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Edited by: Varelse Wiggin on 13/10/2006 17:32:17 Originally by: Tapper Jackson I'm a noob and even I know a Hulk can't tank against much more than rats. Two battleships against one lone Hulk. My……aren't we the brave ones. Perhaps the Hulk pilot was being sarcastic when he said you'd need help. Perhaps launching his drones was a flip of the middle finger to you. What I really find funny about this thread and others are the number of people who find some pirates to be honorable and some to be dishonorable. They are pirates. Pirates do not have honor. They steal from others. Just a game? Sure it is and I'm not about to say piracy should be banned from the game. It adds an element of realism to the game. However, when you steal in the game you should be aware that it took real time to gain whatever it is you're stealing. You're stealing that time, not simply virtual items. It's absurd that some pirates feel they have honor or even, if you can believe it, honesty because they don't blow someone up if ransom is paid. It's like a mugger saying he has honor because he didn't kill the person who gave him their wallet and wedding ring. If you're a pirate, stop trying to fool yourself. You're a thief. Learn to embrace your base nature. Some pirates are simply bigger jerks than others. Pay ransom to a pirate? Makes economic sense, but I'll never do it. Not one ISK. Sorry if that ruins the fun for some pirates who enjoy making people pay. I prefer not to give them the pleasure and I can always get another ship. Hey, it's a game. Suck it up, pirates. Oh, and please don't give me that tired argument about it being for profit. There are far faster ways to make money. Pirates just like making people sweat. Thread winner. Seems like far too many pirates don't understand that they're stealing from other players. Sure it's a game, and I realise that being a pirate/theif/scoundrel in game doesn't necessarily make you one out of game. So don't even throw that tired argument at me. Also, before you say "LOL RAN INTO A PIRATE U SUX" i'll have you know that I was a pirate at one point and I have indeed been pirated before, then I moved on to 0.0 life and started fighting fights for something other than an easy buck. So I know exactly what it's like, and it was a fun time. Anyway though, for Mr. Tapper here, ignore the majority of the **wits that post in this forum. They seem to have trouble admitting that piracy isn't an honorable profession. It's like "Honor Amongst Theives," the only guys who find it honorable are other theives. ------- As for the pride bit, those of you that say players are stupid for clinging to what pride they've got left by not bending over completely after getting beaten are...I don't know how to put it...laughable? Paying a ransom (bending over to get the shaft) is a sign of weakness and the inability to self-sustain, even if it is wise financially. Edit- Every time I come back to this forum I find a new joke from the current wave of pirates. Up above somewhere in some lengthy post I saw a bit about "dying is your own fault for not being prepared." I'm sorry, but there are some situations which are entirely unescapable just short of logging out or stabbing your ship to hell and back, and if I recall correctly those are both major gripes in the pirate community at the moment. So shut the hell up. I was the one who said that about being unprepared, and I'm sorry, you're full of it. You can easily prepare yourself against anything, all you have to do is use your brain a little more then "durhh click click mine, click drag click". I gave you the honor of reading your entire post before saying anything about. Atleast have the same damn courtesy, cause all you said has already been argumented down in my post, posted BEFORE you. -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right**
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Tapper Jackson What I really find funny about this thread and others are the number of people who find some pirates to be honorable and some to be dishonorable. They are pirates. Pirates do not have honor. They steal from others. Not necessarily. Some pirates are more RP based, and play it almost robin hood style. Robbing from the rich and then turning around and giving money away to noobs and whatnot. Originally by: Tapper Jackson Just a game? Sure it is and I'm not about to say piracy should be banned from the game. It adds an element of realism to the game. However, when you steal in the game you should be aware that it took real time to gain whatever it is you're stealing. You're stealing that time, not simply virtual items. And thats precisely what makes EVE better than WoW or other MMORPGs that remove all elements of risk. The day they remove all element of risk from EVE is the day I start looking for another game to play. Originally by: Tapper Jackson It's absurd that some pirates feel they have honor or even, if you can believe it, honesty because they don't blow someone up if ransom is paid. It's like a mugger saying he has honor because he didn't kill the person who gave him their wallet and wedding ring. Ok, but the hulk pilot knowingly went into an area where he had no police protection, and there was no law. That would be like taking a stretch limo full of people wearing millions of dollars in jewelry and sitting idle on the side of the road in the worst part of a major city. Originally by: Tapper Jackson If you're a pirate, stop trying to fool yourself. You're a thief. Learn to embrace your base nature. Some pirates are simply bigger jerks than others. And some carebears are pratically begging to get robbed too. Originally by: Tapper Jackson Oh, and please don't give me that tired argument about it being for profit. There are far faster ways to make money. Pirates just like making people sweat. There may be other ways, but that doesnt mean there are other ways that are more appealing to them. Just because one person finds enjoyment in mining, or trading, or mission running doesnt mean another will. This signature space for rent
Necromancer D The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:15:00 - [59] Originally by: ReaperOfSly The reason nobody pays ransoms is because some pirates just blow you up anyway. Also, some people would rather die than give money to a pirate. It's pride. You got prof of this? or are you just pulling **** crap outa yer ass
Portios Smith Gallente Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.13 23:08:00 - [60] Siluetas desde el mas alla
Misinformed soldier Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.13 23:22:00 - [61] Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Seems like far too many pirates don't understand that they're stealing from other players. Because after all, every last pirate is a bad person in the real world. Talking of stealing and daylight robbery, most tech 2 items have profit margins exceeding 1000%. People scam others over escrow every day of the week. And generally people try to con anything that moves. So dont talk about piracy like its the worst thing in the world. Oh and its fun, so meh.
Ansuru Starlancer The Phoenix Rising Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.13 23:48:00 - [62] Edited by: Ansuru Starlancer on 13/10/2006 23:48:32 So much pirate hate, wow... There are players with honor, and players without. This has no relation to whether or not they are pirates. This has every relation to how they conduct themselves in the game; if they treat people with respect (no smack, bishi!), keep their word, and don't exploit invisibility glitches to become invincible, etc, they're honorable. I personally don't pirate. Because of my honor? Heck no! It's a game, people...my honor has very little to do with my choice of occupation in a fantasy universe created solely for one purpose: to have fun! No, tis more because I prefer deep 0.0 space to lowsec clusterf's, and anyone out there that shouldn't be, well, shouldn't be :p An honorable person is gonna tell you honestly what will happen, and follow through. End of story. They could be a pirate ("Pay me 100mISK and I'll let you go") or a carebear trader ("Feed me the isk and I'll ship you whatever ya need, Cap'n 'ook!") or a lowsec antipirate ganker who happens to shoot flashies faster than they can ("No, I'm not a pirate...the low sec status is from podding pirates. I won't shoot you if you fly past me"). Claiming someone's dishonorable because they choose to play the pirate in a GAME (whose very mechanics are designed to allow the possibility of player pirates) is just childish.
Asha'Lil Minmatar The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.14 01:06:00 - [63] Originally by: Corwain Me: Will you take 20mil for my ship Pirate keeps shooting, ship pops, I warp away in my pod Pirate: No, I kill people Me: Uhh...ok, enjoy the killmail Thats the Pirate Coalition for you I guess. I believe pirates offering ransoms are an EVE myth. Been playing for 6-8 months now and never seen one. I did that once... Guy was in to Hull and I wasnt planning on ransoming him. So I hadnt planed to turn my guns off SO... he poped and abotu a sec after he poped I said no thanks. And then locked and poped his pod. Was good game... By the way this isnt that old of a thread :) __________________________________ Stay still! This wont hurt... Yarr!
Gandanga	Posted - 2006.10.14 01:48:00 - [64] Originally by: soul finder Last night my ceo and where in a 0.4 system looking for people to ransom when we came upon a Hulk mining by itself. The character using the miner is roughly 6 months old and left his old corp, which has over 500 players, several days ago. In short we warped in and warp scrambled him hit him with 4 heavy nos. My ceo private chatted him and demanded 20mil ransom, which we feel is ok,since a Hulk is worth roughly 500mil. The player told him that we needed more help to destroy him, we were in a Raven and Scorpion. The loner proceeded to launch 5 med drones, I have no idea why he did this. So, we let loose and proceeded to destroy him in less than a minute. Minutes later he eve mailed us and told us to pay 1 billion isk within 24hrs or our corp would be destroyed. YARRRRRRR told him to get a life. wow you really are butch was that you i met in the blue oyster bar last night ?
Flabida jaba	Posted - 2006.10.14 02:02:00 - [65] been playing for about 6 months now aswell.. never been rasomed once either. been hulled plenty. but never offered ransom????? low sec is turning into WoW battleground's I tell's ya
Tareen Kashaar eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.14 02:26:00 - [66] I had my first solo ransom today \o/ Bugger was so happy I let his T1 cruiser live that he gave me a mil more than I asked for. I don't know what it is, I never even get hatemail. People I kill seem to grow somehow attached to me shrug Someone above said it right, honor is about standing by your word - not about what you do, but how you do it. Like... when someone asked me once "why did you blow up my ship?", I told them "because I like to blow up stuff, I'm a pirate. Nothing personal". They just said "Oh, ok" and the matter was done with. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Varelse Wiggin Minmatar Sector 7	Posted - 2006.10.14 03:26:00 - [67] Originally by: Misinformed soldier Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Seems like far too many pirates don't understand that they're stealing from other players. Because after all, every last pirate is a bad person in the real world. Talking of stealing and daylight robbery, most tech 2 items have profit margins exceeding 1000%. People scam others over escrow every day of the week. And generally people try to con anything that moves. So dont talk about piracy like its the worst thing in the world. Oh and its fun, so meh. Ass, read the whole post. I said I was a pirate at one point, so I know what i'm talking about. I also said it was a fun time. I just think it's funny that people are disallusioned into thinking that piracy holds some kind of honor, which it doesn't. I also said that I realise that being a pirate in EVE isn't what makes someone a bad person (if they even are a bad person).

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