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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:20:00 -
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Anyone taking advantage of blood in the water?
I saw a T2 shield boost amp go for 12bil this morning and I just missed it as someone had a quicker internet connection.
You want to get rich? Well this is how it's done. Take a chance, play both sides against the middle and reap the rewards.
Anyone else playing the T2 BPO crazyness? It ain't real money folks. Big risks=big gains. Little risk=run of the mill daytrader. |
joyous the
Slippery Penguin
The Crystal Palace
70
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Posted - 2014.05.10 07:32:00 -
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skys fallin bro, get out while you can, mayday, the end is near. |
Cavalira
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2014.05.10 09:31:00 -
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Not sure what you're trying to say. |
Qmamoto Kansuke
Killing with pink power
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Posted - 2014.05.10 12:44:00 -
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Hes trying to sell t2 bpo.
Gl with that crap t2 bpo = t2 bpcs pretty soon tm |
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
54
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:49:00 -
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Hes saying that reselling t2 bpo's is big business. (And it is)
Unfortaly he comes 3 yrs too late. Three yrs ago there was a hugh demand rise due some broken gamemechanics that gave the buyers unlimits "free isk" which they used for these investments. The mechanic is fixed, the bubble met its peek about a year ago and it is now decaing. These fanfest rumurs are just speeding up this process.
Buy low sell high is the trick, but what if you were not buying low enough and get stuck with a double digit billion isk worth item with uncertain future :D 
The selling rate is allready decaing at current conctract prices, some resellers with hugh stocks will be crying and damage controlling soon with plenty off alts.
Its like the risk vs reward story on a massive scale with eve life savings gone bad
Multi billion isk loose rage in 3...2...1... |
Professional Forum Alt
The Witness Protection Program
138
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:30:00 -
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I will not be crying when they are gone 
Any typos, spelling errors and bad grammer found, are free and yours to keep |
HeXxploiT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.10 23:42:00 -
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Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:Hes saying that reselling t2 bpo's is big business. (And it is) Unfortaly he comes 3 yrs too late. Three yrs ago there was a hugh demand rise due some broken gamemechanics that gave the buyers unlimits "free isk" which they used for these investments. The mechanic is fixed, the bubble met its peek about a year ago and it is now decaing. These fanfest rumurs are just speeding up this process. Buy low sell high is the trick, but what if you were not buying low enough and get stuck with a double digit billion isk worth item with uncertain future :D The selling rate is allready decaing at current conctract prices, some resellers with hugh stocks will be crying and damage controlling soon with plenty off alts. Its like the risk vs reward story on a massive scale with eve life savings gone bad Multi billion isk loose rage in 3...2...1...
Except that BPO's maintained their value all that time. A product that maintains its value is not a good trade.
Now a product that one can buy for dirt cheap from one pilot because there is panic in the air and sell to another clueless individual....this makes for good business.
Not talking about long term T2 BPO value here folks. That part is obviously uncertain. We're talking about playing the craziness which is brought about by this uncertainty. The reason most of you are poor is because you haven't stepped outside the box. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2852
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Posted - 2014.05.11 03:59:00 -
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Yeah if I had 200b in trading capital I'd be flipping T2 BPOs right now.
Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
102
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Posted - 2014.05.11 06:29:00 -
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12 bil for a sba II bpo is not all that surprising... seeing a Hobgob II bpo go for 15 and a Harpy go for 7.5 is surprising. Moreso to do with uninformed sellers. |
Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
Superior Eve Engineering
872
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:20:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4587658#post4587658
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mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3477
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:46:00 -
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mynnna wrote:It should nevertheless be noted that Greyscale did say that they'd like to do something sometime to T2 BPOs, during the Industry panel at Fanfest. See http://youtu.be/WTTyMhSKY9E?t=22m15s for details. Greyscale does believe that the market should be taking the possibility of removal into account, so... buyer beware, I suppose.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Zor Iwaira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:37:00 -
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mynnna wrote:mynnna wrote:It should nevertheless be noted that Greyscale did say that they'd like to do something sometime to T2 BPOs, during the Industry panel at Fanfest. See http://youtu.be/WTTyMhSKY9E?t=22m15s for details. Greyscale does believe that the market should be taking the possibility of removal into account, so... buyer beware, I suppose.
A member of the CSM participating in a large scale market manipulation attempt by his alliance? Using his assumed insider knowledge to spread rumors? Hmmm... 
This is going too far. At least in my humble opinion.
A CCP Developer just clarified that there are no plans to remove T2 blueprints from the game.
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
551
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:43:00 -
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Zor Iwaira wrote:mynnna wrote:mynnna wrote:It should nevertheless be noted that Greyscale did say that they'd like to do something sometime to T2 BPOs, during the Industry panel at Fanfest. See http://youtu.be/WTTyMhSKY9E?t=22m15s for details. Greyscale does believe that the market should be taking the possibility of removal into account, so... buyer beware, I suppose. A member of the CSM participating in a large scale market manipulation attempt by his alliance? Using his assumed insider knowledge to spread rumors? Hmmm... This is going too far. At least in my humble opinion. A CCP Developer just clarified that there are no plans to remove T2 blueprints from the game.
They're getting nerfed lawl
The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal
The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3480
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:45:00 -
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The linked video spells out explicitly that they would like to do something to them, sometime, and that the market should be accounting for that risk. There is no rumor involved here - he says more or less exactly that in the linked video, which is a publicly available recording of a public event. It's almost literally impossible to get less "inside info" than that.
Also, as long as you want to try to argue semantics, "We would like to do something to them, sometime" and "There are no plans to remove T2 blueprints from the game" are by no means mutually exclusive.
Basically, your humble opinion is wrong.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Zor Iwaira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:48:00 -
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mynnna wrote:The linked video spells out explicitly that they would like to do something to them, sometime, and that the market should be accounting for that risk. There is no rumor involved here - he says more or less exactly that in the linked video, which is a publicly available recording of a public event. It's almost literally impossible to get less "inside info" than that.
Also, as long as you want to try to argue semantics, "We would like to do something to them, sometime" and "There are no plans to remove T2 blueprints from the game" are by no means mutually exclusive.
Basically, your humble opinion is wrong.
As a CSM member you should be careful not to cross the line. At least in my humble opinion. And you know exactly what i mean  |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3480
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:51:00 -
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If you wish to make the assumption that a line has been crossed, you are welcome to do so. I can only point out that your opinion is wrong, not change it or stop you from holding it. 
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
350125GO
Transcendent Sedition
Dustm3n
50
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:55:00 -
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mynnna wrote:The linked video spells out explicitly that they would like to do something to them, sometime, and that the market should be accounting for that risk. There is no rumor involved here - he says more or less exactly that in the linked video, which is a publicly available recording of a public event. It's almost literally impossible to get less "inside info" than that. Also, as long as you want to try to argue semantics, "We would like to do something to them, sometime" and "There are no plans to remove T2 blueprints from the game" are by no means mutually exclusive. Basically, your humble opinion is wrong. e: There's also this, which certainly is a not-that-roundabout nerf to BPOs. Quote:We are currently of a mind to shift invented BPCs so they have positive (or at worst 0) ME and TE figures. This a) prevents the removal of extra materials giving invention an extra-hard kick, and in particular b) prevents every invented T2 item from requiring two of the relevant T1 items (due to always rounding up materials). This will probably put all invented BPCs in the 1-5% ME/2-10% TE range, with decryptors adjusted to match. We may adjust T2 build costs upwards across the board to put the net T2 resource usage roughly where it is currently, so we don't end up nerfing the demand for T2 components. (This obviously also serves to close the gap somewhat between invention and T2 BPOs; this is not a goal here but it's an acceptable side-effect.)
How is that a nerf to T2 BPOs? It's a buff to invented BPCs. Hopefully it will stop the whinging about T2 BPOs being the scourge of New Eden. |
Zor Iwaira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:56:00 -
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mynnna wrote:If you wish to make the assumption that a line has been crossed, you are welcome to do so. I can only point out that your opinion is wrong, not change it or stop you from holding it.
Let's just adhere to the important fact that a CMS representative should not spread false rumors on the official forum in an attempt to crash a market / to generate profits for his alliance. Whether you cross that line or not is up to you young lady. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3480
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:09:00 -
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Zor Iwaira wrote:mynnna wrote:If you wish to make the assumption that a line has been crossed, you are welcome to do so. I can only point out that your opinion is wrong, not change it or stop you from holding it. Let's just adhere to the important fact that an official CSM representative should not spread false rumors on the official forum in an attempt to crash a market / to generate profits for his alliance. Whether you cross that line or not is up to you young lady. 
frankly, I can't find the line in the white paper that says a csm representative is not allowed to spread false rumors in an attempt to manipulate a market. can you show it to me? I mean it is kind of a moot point, since there are no false rumors involved in this thread as the previously linked video clearly demonstrates.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Zor Iwaira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:10:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Zor Iwaira wrote:mynnna wrote:If you wish to make the assumption that a line has been crossed, you are welcome to do so. I can only point out that your opinion is wrong, not change it or stop you from holding it. Let's just adhere to the important fact that an official CSM representative should not spread false rumors on the official forum in an attempt to crash a market / to generate profits for his alliance. Whether you cross that line or not is up to you young lady. frankly, I can't find the line in the white paper that says a csm representative is not allowed to spread false rumors in an attempt to manipulate a market. can you show it to me? I mean it is kind of a moot point, since there are no false rumors involved in this thread as the previously linked video clearly demonstrates.
Are you serious? |
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1542
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:14:00 -
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Zor Iwaira wrote:mynnna wrote:Zor Iwaira wrote:mynnna wrote:If you wish to make the assumption that a line has been crossed, you are welcome to do so. I can only point out that your opinion is wrong, not change it or stop you from holding it. Let's just adhere to the important fact that an official CSM representative should not spread false rumors on the official forum in an attempt to crash a market / to generate profits for his alliance. Whether you cross that line or not is up to you young lady. frankly, I can't find the line in the white paper that says a csm representative is not allowed to spread false rumors in an attempt to manipulate a market. can you show it to me? I mean it is kind of a moot point, since there are no false rumors involved in this thread as the previously linked video clearly demonstrates. Are you serious?
Man, if you think THAT is the line. We can't even see that line from where we are.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3482
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:25:00 -
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Zor Iwaira wrote:mynnna wrote:Zor Iwaira wrote:mynnna wrote:If you wish to make the assumption that a line has been crossed, you are welcome to do so. I can only point out that your opinion is wrong, not change it or stop you from holding it. Let's just adhere to the important fact that an official CSM representative should not spread false rumors on the official forum in an attempt to crash a market / to generate profits for his alliance. Whether you cross that line or not is up to you young lady. frankly, I can't find the line in the white paper that says a csm representative is not allowed to spread false rumors in an attempt to manipulate a market. can you show it to me? I mean it is kind of a moot point, since there are no false rumors involved in this thread as the previously linked video clearly demonstrates. Are you serious?
completely. please show me where commenting on a publicly available recording of a public presentation is crossing a line.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Zor Iwaira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:29:00 -
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Quote:Do they deserve the gift of your keystrokes?
There are a finite number of keystrokes left in your hands before you die. - Scott Hanselman
(source: nice blog post)
What we see here are the leaders of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal in full swing. Writing post after post to warn the pubbies that T2 BPOs will be removed soon. Altruism at its finest...
Now you should ask yourself: Are they really gifting us such a large portion of their finite number of keystrokes? Just to warn us poor souls about the T2 BPO removal? Or are the assumed profits of their large scale market manipulation just worth every damn keypress?
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mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3482
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:42:00 -
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Zor Iwaira wrote:Quote:Do they deserve the gift of your keystrokes?
There are a finite number of keystrokes left in your hands before you die. - Scott Hanselman (source: nice blog post) What we see here are the leaders of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal in full swing. Writing post after post to warn the pubbies that T2 BPOs will be removed soon. Altruism at its finest... Now you should ask yourself: Are they really gifting us such a large portion of their finite number of keystrokes? Just to warn us poor souls about the T2 BPO removal? Or are the assumed profits of their large scale market manipulation just worth every damn keypress?
I note that you've backed off from the utterly insensible position that I'm actually doing anything wrong; good for you. Regarding removal I will concede that when I said "removed" earlier I actually personally misspoke. I did mean to say "changed" somehow. I'm going to answer someone on the previous page to illustrate how at least some of that change actually just came.
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How is that a nerf to T2 BPOs? It's a buff to invented BPCs. Hopefully it will stop the whinging about T2 BPOs being the scourge of New Eden.
There are a couple of factors here. First is the fact that BPOs can't come anywhere near supplying demand, so prices fix themselves to invention cost. And second, going from ME-1 to ME0 for invention is just as large a decrease in build cost as going from ME0 to "perfect" is for blueprints, and going from ME-4 to ME0 as he seems to be suggesting is an even bigger drop. So, BPCs will be more competitive with BPOs, which dramatically shrinks the gap in which a BPO seller can work to sell and still be competitive.
For example
A zealot currently goes for 150m on buys, 154.5m on sells in Jita.
If you're building off a BPO at (for example) ME10, your build cost is about 102m isk, assuming you're buying materials off buys and building your own components, as is sensible. You can dump to buy orders for almost 50m isk per unit profit. You can see what I mean when I say that invention drives the cost here.
If you're inventing, Eve IPH is telling me that the total costs come to either 128m (ME-1) or 131.8m (ME-2) isk depending on decryptor, with the latter probably being preferable due to the resulting 8 run print.
But then there's the proposed changes. We'll set aside the suggested material cost increase, as that only complicates the example. We do have to account for the research changes, though. "Waste" is eliminated as a concept but the base build cost (what we currently call "perfect") is being bumped by 11%, so the actual build price post-patch is 112m isk at ME0.
The ME10 on the BPO holder's BPO turns into ME10%, giving him a perfect BPO, so his build cost is 112m * .9 = 100.8m isk. Not a whole lot of a change on his part.
The inventor, on the other hand, ought to wind up with a blueprint at ME2% or ME3% instead, if we're assuming from what Greyscale said that they basically take the ME level and add 5. That means they save 2-3% off the base build price, so their build cost is now 108.6-109.9m isk.
Clearly, invention still drives the cost, since BPOs still don't come anywhere near supplying everything. If you figure that the profit margin for invention maintains the same (it's about 20% in this case, which is honestly quite good) then Jita price probably winds up being about 130m isk on sells.
To put that another way, the estimated effect in this example is that the BPO holder is now making 40% less profit than he was before. While Greyscale also spoke of increasing build costs across the board, that would affect BPO and BPC users equally and so can be ignored. So, yes, "a buff to invented BPCs" is absolutely a nerf, a massive nerf, to Tech II BPOs.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1542
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:44:00 -
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Zor Iwaira wrote:Quote:Do they deserve the gift of your keystrokes?
There are a finite number of keystrokes left in your hands before you die. - Scott Hanselman (source: nice blog post) What we see here are the leaders of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal in full swing. Writing post after post to warn the pubbies that T2 BPOs will be removed soon. Altruism at its finest... Now you should ask yourself: Are they really gifting us such a large portion of their finite number of keystrokes? Just to warn us poor souls about the T2 BPO removal? Or are the assumed profits of their large scale market manipulation just worth every damn keypress?
I don't know how to break this to you in a way you will believe however I will give it a shot. There has not been a single manipulation we have done in years that I can recall that people have figured out. If you truly believe we have some evil plan to manip the price of T2 BPOS down, then buy them, I dunno what to tell you.
Only one of us even entertains the idea of owning one, and he only wants to get it to put it in his titan so when it dies he has a hilarious lossmail. (A good use of one) We preach to our memberbase to never buy one.
But hey, maybe it is all an evil plan. SO META!
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Zor Iwaira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:52:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Zor Iwaira wrote:Quote:Do they deserve the gift of your keystrokes?
There are a finite number of keystrokes left in your hands before you die. - Scott Hanselman (source: nice blog post) What we see here are the leaders of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal in full swing. Writing post after post to warn the pubbies that T2 BPOs will be removed soon. Altruism at its finest... Now you should ask yourself: Are they really gifting us such a large portion of their finite number of keystrokes? Just to warn us poor souls about the T2 BPO removal? Or are the assumed profits of their large scale market manipulation just worth every damn keypress? I note that you've backed off from the utterly insensible position that I'm actually doing anything wrong; good for you. Regarding removal I will concede that when I said "removed" earlier I actually personally misspoke. I did mean to say "changed" somehow. I'm going to answer someone on the previous page to illustrate how at least some of that change actually just came.
Now you are back on track mate! Usually i like your contributions to the forum. Tip of the hat to you. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3483
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:55:00 -
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Just remember, the fact that I misspoke when I said "removal" doesn't mean (as illustrated above) that "make you regret ever buying them in the first place" isn't still an option. On that note, best of luck recouping your investment on that HAM Launcher II BPO.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Zor Iwaira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:01:00 -
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To keep this fair and balanced, just remember:
CCP Eterne wrote:An FYI to cease the rumor mongering that is happening in this (and other) threads:
There are currently no plans to remove T2 BPOs from the game.
(source: CCP Dev Post) |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
562
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:13:00 -
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Zor Iwaira wrote:To keep this fair and balanced, just remember: CCP Eterne wrote:An FYI to cease the rumor mongering that is happening in this (and other) threads:
There are currently no plans to remove T2 BPOs from the game. (source: CCP Dev Post)
Thank you, backseat driver.
Notice that we are only referring to the changes which have been publicly posted on these forums.
This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Fishbone
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:42:00 -
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Personally, I am sick and tired of hearing all the whining about T2 BPO vs T2 BPC (Invention)
T2 BPO need to be either removed form the game, or seeded on the market. Plain and simple. That will solve this issue of "because I paid X amount of isk, I need to recoup the cost".
The T2 BPO's out there right now, the majority of them were passed out like candy back in the day when behind closed door deals were being done, and we all know when that time was, and who did it, and who benefited the most.
The way there were suppose to be introduced became a laughing joke. Then they resorted to "RP Auctions", yet it seemed like a select few were the ones that ever "won" these auctions. Then the general public found out that T2 BPO were being passed out. So am I complaining about how broke of a system T2 BPO's are in game, damn straight.
But that doesn't give everyone the right to constantly complain about this getting nerf, that getting nerf. All you care about is how much isk you stand to gain or lose. I for one am tired of it. Wanna risk your isk, there are plenty of Isk Doublers in Jita. |
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