Hes saying that reselling t2 bpo's is big business. (And it is)

Unfortaly he comes 3 yrs too late. Three yrs ago there was a hugh demand rise due some broken gamemechanics that gave the buyers unlimits "free isk" which they used for these investments. The mechanic is fixed, the bubble met its peek about a year ago and it is now decaing. These fanfest rumurs are just speeding up this process.

Buy low sell high is the trick, but what if you were not buying low enough and get stuck with a double digit billion isk worth item with uncertain future :D

The selling rate is allready decaing at current conctract prices, some resellers with hugh stocks will be crying and damage controlling soon with plenty off alts.

Its like the risk vs reward story on a massive scale with eve life savings gone bad

Multi billion isk loose rage in 3...2...1...

It should nevertheless be noted that Greyscale did say that they'd like to do something sometime to T2 BPOs, during the Industry panel at Fanfest. See http://youtu.be/WTTyMhSKY9E?t=22m15s for details. Greyscale does believe that the market should be taking the possibility of removal into account, so... buyer beware, I suppose.

A member of the CSM participating in a large scale market manipulation attempt by his alliance? Using his assumed insider knowledge to spread rumors? Hmmm...

This is going too far. At least in my humble opinion.

A CCP Developer just clarified that there are no plans to remove T2 blueprints from the game.

The linked video spells out explicitly that they would like to do something to them, sometime, and that the market should be accounting for that risk. There is no rumor involved here - he says more or less exactly that in the linked video, which is a publicly available recording of a public event. It's almost literally impossible to get less "inside info" than that.

Also, as long as you want to try to argue semantics, "We would like to do something to them, sometime" and "There are no plans to remove T2 blueprints from the game" are by no means mutually exclusive.

Basically, your humble opinion is wrong.

The linked video spells out explicitly that they would like to do something to them, sometime, and that the market should be accounting for that risk. There is no rumor involved here - he says more or less exactly that in the linked video, which is a publicly available recording of a public event. It's almost literally impossible to get less "inside info" than that.

Also, as long as you want to try to argue semantics, "We would like to do something to them, sometime" and "There are no plans to remove T2 blueprints from the game" are by no means mutually exclusive.

Basically, your humble opinion is wrong.

e: There's also this, which certainly is a not-that-roundabout nerf to BPOs.

If you wish to make the assumption that a line has been crossed, you are welcome to do so. I can only point out that your opinion is wrong, not change it or stop you from holding it.

Let's just adhere to the important fact that an official CSM representative should not spread false rumors on the official forum in an attempt to crash a market / to generate profits for his alliance. Whether you cross that line or not is up to you young lady.

frankly, I can't find the line in the white paper that says a csm representative is not allowed to spread false rumors in an attempt to manipulate a market. can you show it to me? I mean it is kind of a moot point, since there are no false rumors involved in this thread as the previously linked video clearly demonstrates.

Are you serious?

Are you serious?

Do they deserve the gift of your keystrokes?
There are a finite number of keystrokes left in your hands before you die. - Scott Hanselman

(source: nice blog post)

What we see here are the leaders of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal in full swing. Writing post after post to warn the pubbies that T2 BPOs will be removed soon. Altruism at its finest...

Now you should ask yourself: Are they really gifting us such a large portion of their finite number of keystrokes? Just to warn us poor souls about the T2 BPO removal? Or are the assumed profits of their large scale market manipulation just worth every damn keypress?

How is that a nerf to T2 BPOs? It's a buff to invented BPCs. Hopefully it will stop the whinging about T2 BPOs being the scourge of New Eden.

(source: nice blog post)

What we see here are the leaders of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal in full swing. Writing post after post to warn the pubbies that T2 BPOs will be removed soon. Altruism at its finest...

Now you should ask yourself: Are they really gifting us such a large portion of their finite number of keystrokes? Just to warn us poor souls about the T2 BPO removal? Or are the assumed profits of their large scale market manipulation just worth every damn keypress?

I note that you've backed off from the utterly insensible position that I'm actually doing anything wrong; good for you. Regarding removal I will concede that when I said "removed" earlier I actually personally misspoke. I did mean to say "changed" somehow. I'm going to answer someone on the previous page to illustrate how at least some of that change actually just came.

An FYI to cease the rumor mongering that is happening in this (and other) threads:

There are currently no plans to remove T2 BPOs from the game.

To keep this fair and balanced, just remember:



(source: CCP Dev Post)

frankly, I can't find the line in the white paper that says a csm representative is not allowed to spread false rumors in an attempt to manipulate a market. can you show it to me? I mean it is kind of a moot point, since there are no false rumors involved in this thread as the previously linked video clearly demonstrates.

There's also an unquantifiable here - with the removal of slots, invention ought to get a fair bit easier. Presumably, that leads to more people doing it, which leads to more people in the market, which means more price competition, which means lower prices.

To keep this fair and balanced, just remember:



(source: CCP Dev Post)

Personally, I am sick and tired of hearing all the whining about T2 BPO vs T2 BPC (Invention)

(Now pardon me as I proceed to whine)

T2 BPO need to be either removed form the game, or seeded on the market. Plain and simple. That will solve this issue of "because I paid X amount of isk, I need to recoup the cost".

The T2 BPO's out there right now, the majority of them were passed out like candy back in the day when behind closed door deals were being done, and we all know when that time was, and who did it, and who benefited the most.

The way there were suppose to be introduced became a laughing joke. Then they resorted to "RP Auctions", yet it seemed like a select few were the ones that ever "won" these auctions. Then the general public found out that T2 BPO were being passed out. So am I complaining about how broke of a system T2 BPO's are in game, damn straight.

But that doesn't give everyone the right to constantly complain about this getting nerf, that getting nerf. All you care about is how much isk you stand to gain or lose. I for one am tired of it. Wanna risk your isk, there are plenty of Isk Doublers in Jita.

The dirty speculator that I am here is my prediction with the invention changes coming down the pipe.

Invention Base ME (& PE ??) goes from -4 to 0. To compensate for this change, the build requirements of all T2 items is increased. Prices remain similar but the gap between invention and T2 BPOs shrinks dramatically.

T2 BPO owners are still marginally price competitive but until CCP revamps the invention UI and install process, T2 BPO will win out majorly in the isk/effort category.

It is a game of Hot Potato!

that post got edited

"There are currently no immediate plans to remove T2 BPOs from the game."

figuring out why eterne had to go back and add that word is left as an exercise for the reader

We would prefer to give a longer definite warning before changes to T2 BPOs themselves. I'm not ruling out something forcing our hand, but in the absence of that we're hoping not to have to tackle them head-on in Crius.

frankly, I can't find the line in the white paper that says a csm representative is not allowed to spread false rumors in an attempt to manipulate a market. can you show it to me? I mean it is kind of a moot point, since there are no false rumors involved in this thread as the previously linked video clearly demonstrates.

Actually this has been more disappointing than I had anticipated. I only got a really good deal on ONE T2 bpo before prices seemed to float right back to where they were.

That didn't last as long as I'd hoped.

4. Markets are driven by -4/-4 bpc prices. This gives a huge advantage to the T2 BPOs. So using decrypters that improve your ME does nothing but help your profitability.

Are you aware that negative ME is going? Invented BPCs will supposedly have positive ME going forward, which reduces build cost in a massive way. The gap that T2 BPOs currently enjoy will not exist once the invention changes are brought in.

Anyone taking advantage of blood in the water?

Anyone else playing the T2 BPO crazyness? It ain't real money folks. Big risks=big gains. Little risk=run of the mill daytrader.

Which in turn will make t2 bpos worth even more.

Pretty much all of the decent economic predictions for the changes to come estimate that the profit margins on T2 BPOs will halve once the invention ME changes roll on. I very much doubt their price will remain as high as it has, since most aim for a price of about 8-10 years profit to cover the cost. Half the margins mean twice the time to cover, so in turn the value should drop. It may lead to people pushing the asking prices up, but anyone that buys a T2 BPO that generates half the profit at double the cost is pretty insane, so sales will be few and far between at that price.

Pretty much all of the decent economic predictions for the changes to come estimate that the profit margins on T2 BPOs will halve once the invention ME changes roll on. I very much doubt their price will remain as high as it has, since most aim for a price of about 8-10 years profit to cover the cost. Half the margins mean twice the time to cover, so in turn the value should drop. It may lead to people pushing the asking prices up, but anyone that buys a T2 BPO that generates half the profit at double the cost is pretty insane, so sales will be few and far between at that price.

CCP has stated they have no immediate plans to remove them/

When has goon ever been true? When has anything, they've ever done or said been true?

Man I thought that post was going to be some pretty 101-level not-really-understanding-the-invention-market but it turned out to be a Dinsdale-esque work of art.

It's not going to be a huge change for Inventors. They're already primarily in a rat-race with each other outside of a few things that have small enough markets to be controlled by the limited output of a BPO. A BPO doesn't have much affect on a saturated market; it just generates a nice stream of low-effort income for the holder since his margins are much wider and he doesn't have to muck around with BPCs and decryptors and such. If Invention becomes more competitive with BPOs, it doesn't change much for the Inventor because his actual competition was already other Inventors. It just means the BPO guy suddenly doesn't make as much money.

On the other hand, a smart BPO holder would have already sold his stuff as soon as he realized he could have put a decade's worth of income in his pocket right now.

Nothing in eve depreciates.

But here's the kicker. Inventors start making far greater money. With greater wealth, things unobtainable for the common poor i.e, the inventors, become obtainable. They become the new class. And the desire, as its always been. Is the ease of afk generation of isk. The mother ******* t2 bpo.

Look at the facts.

When has goon ever been true? When has anything, they've ever done or said been true? It's a scam, by the biggest scammers in the game to cause panic in a market that involves trillions of isk.

The facts at the end of the day is that t2 bpos will not be removed, nothing in this game has been deleted in 10 years.

Well that in itself is not a fact, loads of things have been removed and more things will be.

Nice rebuttal. Good to see you taking on board the points given and countering them effectively.

For example?

There is no need for a rebuttal, honestly I didn't even read what you wrote on the previous page. This isn't a debate. I'm telling you what's going to happen. Why it's going to happen. And to deal with it.

eve used to have these things called mines...

There is no need for a rebuttal, honestly I didn't even read what you wrote on the previous page. This isn't a debate. I'm telling you what's going to happen. Why it's going to happen. And to deal with it.

Which weren't deleted and are now worth far more than they ever were when in use? Really, that's what you came up with?

They are no longer able to be used, so functionally removed. Are you saying that T2 owners would be happy if the ability to use a T2 BPO was removed, but the item was kept? When they say "removed" that's pretty much what I expect them to do.

That said, there are things they have removed, like learning skills for example. The most recent example of this, which has not yet come to pass but is already decided, is compression blueprints. Those are being removed.

Learning skills were rolled into our stats and the SP refunded. Compression BPOs are being removed, but the NPC price for them is being refunded and Rorquals will be able to compress without them, as will starbases with a new module. Mines and their BPOs weren't removed, only their seeding.

Things definitely have been removed, but I don't think you're using good examples.

Just deal with it bro. I understand what you're saying, and I understand that you, and your camp, has been preaching this all along. You made a good run, and it almost worked. But you're wrong. Some will fall victim to stupidity, and the smart will take advantage. It's the circle of life. But in EVE everyone lives forever, and everyone gets rich. Get a bigger bat, if you're planning on hittin these balls.

That said, there are things they have removed, like learning skills for example. The most recent example of this, which has not yet come to pass but is already decided, is compression blueprints. Those are being removed.

awesome selective reading/thinking.... learning skills are hardly items and even their SP/skillbooks have been reimbursed..

I had a good laugh with the mine example, ty Go Lucas, A single Item that has been removed....bring it!!

back to the Facts and destroying your argument: No Item with the slightest value in eve has been removed in the past 10 years.

You know, the forums are for discussion, and what we were having in this thread is exactly what is intended. A dialogue. You stepping in with your **** waving wasn't needed.

I just made 1b off a single carrier sale and my investment was but a fraction of the cost of a T2 BPO.

filthy profits? lmao. something tells me you're just trying to get other people to hold the bag for you