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Beofryn Sedorak 55	Posted - 2014.05.11 07:30:00 - [1] - Quote I'm not looking to prove anything right, wrong, or stupid etc.. I'm genuinely interested in having an informed discussion in regards to the requirements of anchoring things like POS's around moons. I'd like ot start by presenting the quistion: Is this simply a "Population control" method? Or is it for more "scientific/canonical" reasons? Some things to consider: There are lots of things anchored in deadspace pockets (Mission sites) Stargates aren't anchored around moons. Discuss!
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 6403	Posted - 2014.05.11 07:53:00 - [2] - Quote Obviously it's a population control/conflict driver thing. You need a limited resource to give it value and have people fight over it. It also keeps things to a manageable size. Can you imagine trying to find a specific POS in systems with thousands of POSs with the current scanning tools available to us.
Beofryn Sedorak 57	Posted - 2014.05.11 07:59:00 - [3] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: Obviously it's a population control/conflict driver thing. You need a limited resource to give it value and have people fight over it. It also keeps things to a manageable size. Can you imagine trying to find a specific POS in systems with thousands of POSs with the current scanning tools available to us. Excellent points! In your opinion, do you feel the quantity of available anchoring positions could be increased wihtout breaking the system? Hypotheticaly, Anchoring around dwarf planets that weren't big enough to be on the radar before. (Keep in mind, this is all just discussion for the sake of discussion, I'm not suggesting this.)
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 9705	Posted - 2014.05.11 08:31:00 - [4] - Quote Beofryn Sedorak wrote: In your opinion, do you feel the quantity of available anchoring positions could be increased wihtout breaking the system? Absolutely not. There are more than enough moons as it is. Basically what Destination Skillqueue already said. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 303	Posted - 2014.05.11 08:50:00 - [5] - Quote In fact, the current number of moons should be decreased.
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 431	Posted - 2014.05.11 08:51:00 - [6] - Quote posting in stealth "I want to paint space **** with pos's" thread. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch
Joshua Foiritain Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 749	Posted - 2014.05.11 08:56:00 - [7] - Quote Loraine Gess wrote: In fact, the current number of moons should be decreased. this tbh.
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1884	Posted - 2014.05.11 13:57:00 - [8] - Quote I wouldn't mind seeing player made structures in deadspace. Allowing players to make similar structure setups as missions for different purposes. This ofc would be non force field structures, and would promote more people away from just station > gate >belt > pos. However I think the reasoning was to control space, but also using the gravity from the celestial to keep it in orbit. E: Gates probably don't need it due to the mass it creates on its own. The mission structures I don't know. I doubt there is a actual logical reason other limiting it. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 21656	Posted - 2014.05.11 14:50:00 - [9] - Quote Joshua Foiritain wrote: Loraine Gess wrote: In fact, the current number of moons should be decreased. this tbh. Pretty much. Even then, some 18,000 more moons are still being made available as anchoring spots in Kronos, and there have been hints that the mysterious CSM statement from a few days ago meant even more will be available over time. POS spots is definitely not something the game is short of. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 9713	Posted - 2014.05.11 16:57:00 - [10] - Quote Wait, what the ****? WHY are we getting MORE moons? That makes no sense at all. It seems like they're trying to make it so that there are always free moons to anchor on, which is the worst idea I've heard in a while. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 4053	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:01:00 - [11] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Wait, what the ***? WHY are we getting MORE moons? That makes no sense at all. It seems like they're trying to make it so that there are always free moons to anchor on, which is the worst idea I've heard in a while. Agreed, kinda pees out the fire they were trying to start under High Sec POSes by making any noob with 60m a Tower Operator "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence."* - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á *FREE THE JITA 1*
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 9713	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:06:00 - [12] - Quote This needs to not happen. Seriously. That's ****** up and it's not something CCP can fix. It's not like they can just take the moons away again once people start using them. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
Alexa Coates Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC 712	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:11:00 - [13] - Quote thanks for labelling the thread [discussion] otherwise i wouldn't know what to do on a forum about discussing. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Beofryn Sedorak 62	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:13:00 - [14] - Quote Alexa Coates wrote: thanks for labelling the thread [discussion] otherwise i wouldn't know what to do on a forum about discussing. You're welcome, I assumed there were some that might think it was a suggestion, or a troll thread. Some people tend to confuse everything as a troll or tinfoil hat topic. Every single thread...... But that's big of you to confess to it :p
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 4053	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:13:00 - [15] - Quote Alexa Coates wrote: thanks for labelling the thread [discussion] otherwise i wouldn't know what to do on a forum about discussing. Im discussted that you think forums are for discussing rather than just cussing. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á *FREE THE JITA 1*
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4033	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:14:00 - [16] - Quote Alexa Coates wrote: thanks for labelling the thread [discussion] otherwise i wouldn't know what to do on a forum about discussing. This is GD, an eve sub-forum used by trolls.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5607	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:16:00 - [17] - Quote Jake Warbird wrote: Alexa Coates wrote: thanks for labelling the thread [discussion] otherwise i wouldn't know what to do on a forum about discussing. This is GD, an eve sub-forum used by trolls. A.K.A. General Drama. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 21657	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:18:00 - [18] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Wait, what the ***? WHY are we getting MORE moons? That makes no sense at all. It seems like they're trying to make it so that there are always free moons to anchor on, which is the worst idea I've heard in a while. I get the feeling that it's because they feel that more future industry will be POS based and they want to get rid of the nonsensical restrictions for putting one up. They also seem to want to let players decide what's available in systems GÇö even in highsec GÇö rather than having NPC stations dictate it. Getting more moons is just a side-effect of that. Basically, some systems are pretty much pointless from a game-dynamics standpoint right now. Making their moons available gives them something* at leastGÇª but yeah, it's highly debatable if the sheer amount of moons we'll have is really necessary. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 5134	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:32:00 - [19] - Quote What is the big deal about adding more moons? If someone wants to build a home somewhere, why not? It still can be attacked and all. I'm being serious. Why the outrage? The Paradox
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5611	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:34:00 - [20] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: What is the big deal about adding more moons? If someone wants to build a home somewhere, why not? It still can be attacked and all. I'm being serious. Why the outrage? You must have missed the memo. Anything perceived as a buff to high sec is bad. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 4054	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:35:00 - [21] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: What is the big deal about adding more moons? If someone wants to build a home somewhere, why not? It still can be attacked and all. I'm being serious. Why the outrage? You must have missed the memo. Anything perceived as a buff to high sec is bad. Unless you are Dino Paranoid Then its a nerf, especially if its a buff "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á *FREE THE JITA 1*
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 21658	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:38:00 - [22] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: What is the big deal about adding more moons? If someone wants to build a home somewhere, why not? It still can be attacked and all. I'm being serious. Why the outrage? It's no really an outrage. It's more that there is already such an abundance of moons that there's a distinct lack of conflict over them, so adding 50% more moons seems a bit counter-productiveGÇª or counter-destructiveGÇª well, counter-something. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5611	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:41:00 - [23] - Quote Tippia wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: What is the big deal about adding more moons? If someone wants to build a home somewhere, why not? It still can be attacked and all. I'm being serious. Why the outrage? It's no really an outrage. It's more that there is already such an abundance of moons that there's a distinct lack of conflict over them, so adding 50% more moons seems a bit counter-productiveGÇª or counter-destructiveGÇª well, counter-something. I think mebbee CCP is just hedging in case world +dog starts putting up towers so they can avoid the inevitable bitching and re-visitation of it. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 534	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:41:00 - [24] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: What is the big deal about adding more moons? If someone wants to build a home somewhere, why not? It still can be attacked and all. I'm being serious. Why the outrage? It might mean more moon materials flooding the market?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 21658	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:43:00 - [25] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: I think mebbee CCP is just hedging in case world +dog starts putting up towers so they can avoid the inevitable bitching and re-visitation of it. Very possibly. I mainly feel like that could be better handled by giving us a tower hacking mechanism, but I also suspect that this would require them to dive into the ~~Bog of Souls and Eternal Despair~~ POS code. Caviar Liberta wrote: It might mean more moon materials flooding the market? No, these are all the highsec moons in 0.8+ systems that will now become available as anchoring spots. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Beofryn Sedorak 63	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:43:00 - [26] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: What is the big deal about adding more moons? If someone wants to build a home somewhere, why not? It still can be attacked and all. I'm being serious. Why the outrage? It might mean more moon materials flooding the market? Moon goo ins't in High Sec. All the new moons are in 0.8 to 1.0 systems.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5611	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:44:00 - [27] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: What is the big deal about adding more moons? If someone wants to build a home somewhere, why not? It still can be attacked and all. I'm being serious. Why the outrage? It might mean more moon materials flooding the market? WTB high sec reaction chain. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 5134	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:47:00 - [28] - Quote Tippia wrote: Caviar Liberta wrote: It might mean more moon materials flooding the market? No, these are all the highsec moons in 0.8+ systems that will now become available as anchoring spots. Oh. Well pfft, no big deal. If anything it means more players who move to a player made corp to anchor a POS and thus able to be war dec'd over the moon spot. Content. The Paradox
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5613	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:50:00 - [29] - Quote Tippia wrote: Very possibly. I mainly feel like that could be better handled by giving us a tower hacking mechanism, but I also suspect that this would require them to dive into the ~~Bog of Souls and Eternal Despair~~ POS code. I don't wish legacy code projects on anyone anymore, Karma has a way of finally getting around to everyone. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 4054	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:50:00 - [30] - Quote Tippia wrote: Bog of Souls and Eternal Despair. Ive found my new POOs er I mean POS name for High Sec "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á *FREE THE JITA 1*

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