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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:15:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Shell Scott wrote:I'd think the angle is obvious: if a large chunk of Eve's players aren't PVPing, why not? What can you do to get them to do so?
What was it about Warsong that successfully GOT me to PVP and how can that be applied here? Virtually everybody that plays Eve PvPs in one form or another, even if they believe otherwise.
But I thought from from all the postings I've read on these forums that "real" PvP only exist in 1 v1 ships shooting each other. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4066
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:15:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
You can also outsmart people in WoW and kill them while having inferior gear or, in world/open pvp, get away from them. Difference may be, that when you go into Warsiong Gulch (or any Battleground) in WoW you go there with the mindset to participate in PVP. In EVE it may be smart to always expect PVP but we all know that most people don't or don't want to PVP at all.
Thank you.
I wouldnt thank her too quickly.
It appears to be opposite day where she lives "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
154
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:16:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote: I feel if I stick my head into lowsec or 0.0, I will have no chance.
I agree with you.
You're talking about items and stats. EVE combat is about awereness and adaptability.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
754
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:25:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:I really liked Warsong Gulch in WoW.
Probably my most hated by far.
Open PvP = best PvP. Remove insurance. |
hellcane
Never Back Down
125
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:55:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Shell Scott wrote: Because in WSG all players were around my level, all had similar gear, and no player vastly outclassed or out geared anyone else. You had a chance. I feel if I stick my head into lowsec or 0.0, I will have no chance.
I dont know which you are more wrong about; That WoW had some sort of balance Or that in EvE, your items and SP are more important that what you know (and by extension can quickly learn). This
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I can guarantee you will have a bad lowsec time if you pop in with the attitude and lack of knowledge that you have now. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
489
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:58:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:I started playing MMO's with EQ and have probably played 75% of them. As a rule I never ever ever PVP...except one time.
I really liked Warsong Gulch in WoW. Why is that? I hate open world PVP, I despise ganking, I'm the biggest carebear in like ever but for some reason I couldn't tear myself away from Warsong.
Why? I'm not sure. But for me, that REALLY worked.
Not really that mysterious and you answered your own question. You're a great big pansy-ish carebear and WoW battlegrounds were completely free of any kind of risk or loss. |
Marsha Mallow
529
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Posted - 2014.05.11 20:59:00 -
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Complete opposite to the OP: Eve was my first MMO, but I've played a few since and always PVP'd. To the point being in mixed guilds or clans is a pain if they are constantly nagging for raiders. Think I raided twice, and despite the storyline sections being really impressive, I just found it mechanical and boring. Like any good Eve player having nothing but contempt for people obsessed with gear doesn't translate into other games well :P
I never really got into the warzones in WoW, but Huttball in SWTOR was awesome. Until you reach the level cap and it turns into a gear grind nerd-fest. Seriously, some of the PVP guilds in SWTOR put Eve-corps to shame in terms of how anal they are. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1488
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Posted - 2014.05.11 21:09:00 -
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Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:In EVE it may be smart to always expect PVP but we all know that most people don't or don't want to PVP at all.
wrong.
In EVE, the fact that you pressed the login button means that you have consented into pvp.
and no, in EVE, pvp is not just shoving an antimatter slug into someone's asstailpipe. In EVE, pvp is about who sells said antimatter to someone, who produces said antimatter to someone and who mines to produce that antimatter slug. Pretty much everything in EVE is a competition, and that competition spawns into pvp, strong prevail, weak perish and all that.
If any, the only thing that you can't pvp is ship spinning, but CCP added a shipspin count so you can compete with someone about who does the most ship spinning.
so yeah, don't want to pvp? don't login. in fact GB2WoW? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
235
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Posted - 2014.05.11 21:15:00 -
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Sooo...can I have your stuff?
I mean, this is clrearly not the game for you, and now that you've ID'd yourself as the world's biggest carebear, you have also become a high "Gank for lulz" target. You will end up ragequitting this game anyway, so.....can I have your stuff? This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
913
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Posted - 2014.05.11 22:33:00 -
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World PvP in WoW used to be fun before Blizzard decided to kill it off in favour of having 50+ guys stood around an NPC to pop in and out of PvP instances all day.
EVE is on a completely different, and much, much higher level. |
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
780
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Posted - 2014.05.11 22:44:00 -
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These threads: OP:i played wow once goback2wow big deal i played wow but don't now i played so many gaems but yeh eve is gudder eve is gud wow was ok but eve is gudder i am le experienced gaemer hurf blerf blerf blerf
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Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
298
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Posted - 2014.05.11 22:47:00 -
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I'm very confused about this post. Do you want to engage in PvP combat or do you want to avoid it? Both are viable options in EvE Online and depending on your desired profession one may make more sense than the other. If you want to fight someone in EvE, go fight them. Look up some cheap and quick training time fits, go get the gear and fly on out to lowsec(where you're more likely to find single opponents, though you run the risk of finding a few guys sitting in Tech 3 cruisers looking for easy prey). If they fail miserably against a roughly equal opponent, tweak them and try again. If they fail miserably against a vastly superior opponent, tweak them and try again. If you don't want to engage in combat... well then I don't know why you made this post. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Cpt Tirel
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Posted - 2014.05.11 22:49:00 -
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Yep WSG was awesome before WoW turned to ****. I still play it sometimes on the Feenix vanilla server, great fun. You can always get good kill stats in WSG by playing with your head rather than having the quickest fingers, like in EVE. Thats what i like about it. |
Enraku Reynolt
Peripheral Patrol Shadow's Edge Alliance
35
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Posted - 2014.05.11 22:53:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Not sure what the angle is here.
Have read again.
Twice.
I dont get it. Maybe it's an explanation why he doesn't like Eve? I'm not sure. Dunno But Ill say this Alterac Valley was best Battleground imho. *searing pain in implants* Owwwwwwwwwww. Dammit.
the first version, when it was a two-three day long slugfest with summons, and shredders, and some actualy tactics and plans needed THAT was fun |
Attrael
Umokka Research and Technology Institute
4
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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:47:00 -
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The topic of this thread is now switched to bewbs. Discuss... |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
385
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Posted - 2014.05.12 01:36:00 -
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I have kind of a weird experience - it's EVE that got me into PvP in general in other games, but I don't PvP much in EVE itself.
What EVE did for me is get me over the adrenalin jag.
As a solo PvE player, I encountered "forced" PvP so many times that after a while, I lost that thing where the adrenalin jag makes you so nervous you can't think or do anything.
I'm still crap at PvP in EVE - but that's because a) I don't play with other people much, and b) I'm not a good enough twitch player to solo PvP, and c) I'm not knowledgeable enough to "pick my fights" properly. Apart from poor twitch skills, these factors are my choice - I could easily remedy them, and might yet do so. But for now it's too much of a commitment, and I'm too old anyway, and my reflexes are shot from too much high livin' :)
However, this experience made playing PvP in other games a piece of ****, so paradoxically, any other game, I'm quite the happy PvP-er, especially since less virtual stuff is at stake and it feels more "gamey game". |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
3804
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Posted - 2014.05.12 02:01:00 -
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EVE is the sort of game that for anyone that undocks, PvP is unavoidable and by default participation in PvP. That's just a fact of the game, even if you deal or prepare with avoidance tactics of any sort then you are PvPing. Games like WoW or EQ you can essentially avoid PvP all together, in every way, but not in EVE.
OP you are only speaking of arena PvP, which imo for the most part in MMO's has been fail from conception. Open world PvP is the only real solution to a better community, be it free for all or even with some limitation. At least then when some turkey tries to grief you behind the protection of a non-PvP system, here you can just pod him. Cowards that hide and grief behind the system are the worst of all for any community. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1488
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Posted - 2014.05.12 02:23:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:But I thought from from all the postings I've read on these forums that "real" PvP only exist in 1 v1 ships shooting each other.
Can you quote all these postings you've read?
For every one you can post, I'll post 10 more that have a different view of what pvp is, possibly even more than 10 per 1. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.05.12 02:52:00 -
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EvE is the only game I pvp in, because its the only game with real loss. Where is the since of winning if all you get is some honor points, or merits or whatever? I used to play Uncharted Waters online, I was a pirate there and pvped quite often until I realized the loss is almost non-existent. This is what brought me to eve. Loss has meaning here, once you learn to accept that and use it as a tool to your advantage its a lot more fun to pvp here then anywhere else. |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
659
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Posted - 2014.05.12 04:14:00 -
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Matteus Hopkins wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:I like potatos. Fried, boiled, roasted, saut+¬ed or mashed? Sweet potato is also good. What are taters precious? Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
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Jint Hikaru
Truly Transdimensional The Nova Foundry
1199
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Posted - 2014.05.12 08:27:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:I'd think the angle is obvious: if a large chunk of Eve's players aren't PVPing, why not? What can you do to get them to do so?
What was it about Warsong that successfully GOT me to PVP and how can that be applied here?
With regard to ship-on-ship PvP:
In answer to your question, a lot of people just don't want to PvP. They want to be part of a huge sci-fi MMO but are simply not interested in the PvP side of things.
Why should you want to get them to do so? Eve is not just about PvP, there is industry, missions, exploring, mining, so many other things that people join Eve to do other than player on player pew pew!
Forcing people to PvP when they don't want to is not a good game model. People will leave. It takes the wide diverse range of players to make Eve the universe it is. Becoming all PvP will not make the game better.
Why join Eve then, its a PvP game:
Well I for one enjoy the fact that PvP is a threat. It means that I have to be aware that there is more than just computer AI out there, (which we all know can be anticipated and ways to avoid it will be found). This makes my gametime more interesting and unpredictable, which is why i like Eve so much.
Anyway, just wanted to say my piece.
Fly Safe!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4096
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:17:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote: Eve is not just about PvP, there is industry, missions, exploring, mining, so many other things that people join Eve to do other than player on player pew pew!
In B4; All of which involve a type of PvP other than pew or encourage you to be pewed "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Jint Hikaru
Truly Transdimensional The Nova Foundry
1200
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:24:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote: Eve is not just about PvP, there is industry, missions, exploring, mining, so many other things that people join Eve to do other than player on player pew pew!
In B4; All of which involve a type of PvP other than pew or encourage you to be pewed
Yeah, I'm fully aware of that. however I believe the OP is talking about Player Ship verses Player Ship PvP. Which is what I was addressing.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2196
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:26:00 -
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You're welcome Ramona
Jint Hikaru wrote: Why should you want to get them to do so? Eve is not just about PvP, there is industry, missions, exploring, mining, so many other things that people join Eve to do other than player on player pew pew!
Every ship I build is puts downward pressure on the value of that ship. Every unit of a mineral I use in building that ship puts upward pressure on that mineral.
Every piece of mission trash I pick up puts downward pressure on its value
Every exploration site I find is one that you cannot.
Every rock I mine is one that you cannot.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1070
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:29:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:Val'Dore wrote:Shell Scott wrote:Now that's a good idea. I'm a nub so I'll take my nub cormorant a couple systems over into lowsec. If only there were a way to predict what would happen to me? How would it be different from being owned going into WSG because you don't know what's going on yet? Because in WSG all players were around my level, all had similar gear, and no player vastly outclassed or out geared anyone else. You had a chance. I feel if I stick my head into lowsec or 0.0, I will have no chance. Join RvB. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4097
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:30:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote: Eve is not just about PvP, there is industry, missions, exploring, mining, so many other things that people join Eve to do other than player on player pew pew!
In B4; All of which involve a type of PvP other than pew or encourage you to be pewed Yeah, I'm fully aware of that. however I believe the OP is talking about Player Ship verses Player Ship PvP. Which is what I was addressing.
And is not the most common form of PvP
As my good and dear friend Velicitia has pointed out
Welcome to The Market
Its more vicious than an entire Mission Room of Dramiels
BUT
Please try to explore without people trying to PvP you
Id love to hear about that.
Or to mine.
Or run missions, story arcs, incursions etc "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
738
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:34:00 -
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Strange, I am an absolute carebear in other MMOs, Eve is the only MMO I have really bothered to pvp in Fluffy Bunny Pic! |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
1913
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:40:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:[...]
Why join Eve then, its a PvP game:
Well I for one enjoy the fact that PvP is a threat. It means that I have to be aware that there is more than just computer AI out there, (which we all know can be anticipated and ways to avoid it will be found). This makes my gametime more interesting and unpredictable, which is why i like Eve so much.
Anyway, just wanted to say my piece.
Fly Safe!
Being aware and avoiding getting killed by players means you are already PvP'ing :) But you are right, nobody should force or attempt to force others to take a more active part in PvP. It's a perfectly valid playstyle not to do so.
But it's also perfectly valid to bring PvP to those people, to hunt them and trying to destroy their ships and pods. So they better be aware of that.
And this combination makes for a more exciting environment for everyone, imo.
I'm actually sort of the opposite of the OP .. I've never liked PvP in other games. Not a lot, at least. I'm a person who chooses PvE servers over PvP servers in games like WoW or TERA. I don't enjoy ganking/open world pvp in those kinda games, and I only moderately enjoy battlegrounds.
But in Eve I enjoy the battles, the planning, the running away, the ganking.. the being ganked/destroyed less, but that danger makes all the other stuff more interesting. I don't know why, maybe because pvp seems more meaningful here. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2197
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:50:00 -
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Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:[...]
Why join Eve then, its a PvP game:
Well I for one enjoy the fact that PvP is a threat. It means that I have to be aware that there is more than just computer AI out there, (which we all know can be anticipated and ways to avoid it will be found). This makes my gametime more interesting and unpredictable, which is why i like Eve so much.
Anyway, just wanted to say my piece.
Fly Safe!
Being aware and avoiding getting killed by players means you are already PvP'ing :) But you are right, nobody should force or attempt to force others to take a more active part in PvP. It's a perfectly valid playstyle not to do so.
Except that by actively avoiding getting shot, you're PVP-ing. You're pitting your skills and attention to detail against theirs.
I think the problem is that most people take PvP to mean "killing someone else", and completely ignore the fact that it is simply "player vs. player" interaction. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Jint Hikaru
Truly Transdimensional The Nova Foundry
1200
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:52:00 -
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Riyria Twinpeaks wrote: Being aware and avoiding getting killed by players means you are already PvP'ing :) But you are right, nobody should force or attempt to force others to take a more active part in PvP. It's a perfectly valid playstyle not to do so.
But it's also perfectly valid to bring PvP to those people, to hunt them and trying to destroy their ships and pods. So they better be aware of that.
And this combination makes for a more exciting environment for everyone, imo.
Couldn't agree more!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
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