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Shell Scott
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.11 17:51:00 -
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I started playing MMO's with EQ and have probably played 75% of them. As a rule I never ever ever PVP...except one time.
I really liked Warsong Gulch in WoW. Why is that? I hate open world PVP, I despise ganking, I'm the biggest carebear in like ever but for some reason I couldn't tear myself away from Warsong.
Why? I'm not sure. But for me, that REALLY worked. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.05.11 17:53:00 -
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:09:00 -
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Another well reasoned and thought out argument to place a "Go back to WoW" button in the esc menu.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
4055
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:17:00 -
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Not sure what the angle is here.
Have read again.
Twice.
I dont get it.
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:19:00 -
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Really? |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:20:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Not sure what the angle is here.
Have read again.
Twice.
I dont get it.
Maybe it's an explanation why he doesn't like Eve? I'm not sure. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
4055
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:25:00 -
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Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Not sure what the angle is here.
Have read again.
Twice.
I dont get it. Maybe it's an explanation why he doesn't like Eve? I'm not sure.
Dunno
But Ill say this
Alterac Valley was best Battleground imho.
*searing pain in implants*
Owwwwwwwwwww. Dammit.
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:25:00 -
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Relevant to the topic
Disregard Monarchy, Acquire Chickens
Never go full Ripard |
Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:31:00 -
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I like beer more than wine. And I like potatos. |
Matteus Hopkins
Gordian Industrial Holdings
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:34:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:I like potatos. Fried, boiled, roasted, saut+¬ed or mashed? Sweet potato is also good.
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Shell Scott
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:34:00 -
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I'd think the angle is obvious: if a large chunk of Eve's players aren't PVPing, why not? What can you do to get them to do so?
What was it about Warsong that successfully GOT me to PVP and how can that be applied here? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:36:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:I'd think the angle is obvious: if a large chunk of Eve's players aren't PVPing, why not? What can you do to get them to do so?
What was it about Warsong that successfully GOT me to PVP and how can that be applied here? Virtually everybody that plays Eve PvPs in one form or another, even if they believe otherwise.
Disregard Monarchy, Acquire Chickens
Never go full Ripard |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
473
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:39:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:I'd think the angle is obvious: if a large chunk of Eve's players aren't PVPing, why not? What can you do to get them to do so?
What was it about Warsong that successfully GOT me to PVP and how can that be applied here?
But you had to try WSG to know you liked it. So why not try PvP in other games too?
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Zack Korth
Livid CO.
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:45:00 -
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I liked the PvP battlegrounds too, but I liked PvP servers as well, people like to knock WoW and I would never play it now, but back in the day, it was the perfect game at the perfect time, which is why it was so hugely popular, and I made friends on that game that I actually still talk to, for now, for me- I appreciate the emergent gameplay of a game like EvE, but i'm not one of these people who refuses to acknowledge the hundreds of hours of enjoyment from a game just because it's old hat and tired now. But for the OP, I urge you to try some spaceship PvP, it. is. fun.
I've always liked games where you just bash people, tekken, goldeneye, a game has to be super memorable like FF7 or metal gear solid or fallout to be a game I'll play by myself because games have always been about establishing superiority in my mind, if there's no one around to bash, i just feel lonely. People are afriad of nothing, what is so terrible about losing ISK? It won't exist in the future, everything you have on the game will be gone then anyway, you should treat yourself to some fun while you can OP. |
Shell Scott
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:47:00 -
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Now that's a good idea. I'm a nub so I'll take my nub cormorant a couple systems over into lowsec. If only there were a way to predict what would happen to me? |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
1906
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:48:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:I'd think the angle is obvious: if a large chunk of Eve's players aren't PVPing, why not? What can you do to get them to do so?
What was it about Warsong that successfully GOT me to PVP and how can that be applied here?
Trying to avoid PvP in Eve is already PvP'ing.
And it's, imo, a perfectly valid form of PvP and playing. Nothing has to be done to make people like that do different forms of PvP on their own, if they don't want to. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
4057
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:49:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:I'd think the angle is obvious: if a large chunk of Eve's players aren't PVPing, why not? What can you do to get them to do so?
What was it about Warsong that successfully GOT me to PVP and how can that be applied here?
I dont...
Why do you want to convince people to do something they dont want to do?
Or than you have no wish to do yourself for that matter?
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
474
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:49:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:Now that's a good idea. I'm a nub so I'll take my nub cormorant a couple systems over into lowsec. If only there were a way to predict what would happen to me?
How would it be different from being owned going into WSG because you don't know what's going on yet?
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Cpt Swagg
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:49:00 -
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My first game in PC ever: SOKOBAN
And youre trying to look like an experienced gamer playing WoW?
Sad |
Shell Scott
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:55:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Shell Scott wrote:Now that's a good idea. I'm a nub so I'll take my nub cormorant a couple systems over into lowsec. If only there were a way to predict what would happen to me? How would it be different from being owned going into WSG because you don't know what's going on yet?
Because in WSG all players were around my level, all had similar gear, and no player vastly outclassed or out geared anyone else. You had a chance. I feel if I stick my head into lowsec or 0.0, I will have no chance. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:57:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:
Because in WSG all players were around my level, all had similar gear, and no player vastly outclassed or out geared anyone else. You had a chance. I feel if I stick my head into lowsec or 0.0, I will have no chance.
I dont know which you are more wrong about;
That WoW had some sort of balance
Or that in EvE, your items and SP are more important that what you know (and by extension can quickly learn).
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:58:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:Now that's a good idea. I'm a nub so I'll take my nub cormorant a couple systems over into lowsec. If only there were a way to predict what would happen to me?
Join red vs blue or faction warfare, they are the best places to go to learn the basics and get into fleets easily.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3222
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:58:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:I'd think the angle is obvious: if a large chunk of Eve's players aren't PVPing, why not? What can you do to get them to do so?
What was it about Warsong that successfully GOT me to PVP and how can that be applied here?
It can't be applied here. PvP in WoW revolves around dying and respawning over and over until you start getting better gear and learn strategies to counter every class.
Oh god. |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
1906
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:03:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:[...]
Because in WSG all players were around my level, all had similar gear, and no player vastly outclassed or out geared anyone else. You had a chance. I feel if I stick my head into lowsec or 0.0, I will have no chance.
This is very different from the WoW PvP I remember.
Getting into WSG to come across players who you almost couldn't hurt, while they killed you within a few seconds, due to their superior gear, and only after long and tedious grind you could slowly catch up getting your own pvp gear.
In Eve, I as newbie am clearly at a disadvantage when I meet someone with better skills and maybe more expensive modules if they are in a similar ship than me. When I go up against a Daredevil in my blaster Merlin or something like that.
But in Eve, if I am smart and pay attention, I most of the time don't have to take those fights. It's a game of cat and mouse, and the short time I've spent in low sec before joining my current corp I didn't kill anything and was killed a few times, but I had tons of fun getting away from people who wanted to kill me.
And the fights I lost weren't that one-sided, despite my opponents, if I remember right, having years older characters than I had. |
Audrey UntzUntz
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:04:00 -
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Shell Scott wrote:Val'Dore wrote:Shell Scott wrote:Now that's a good idea. I'm a nub so I'll take my nub cormorant a couple systems over into lowsec. If only there were a way to predict what would happen to me? How would it be different from being owned going into WSG because you don't know what's going on yet? Because in WSG all players were around my level, all had similar gear, and no player vastly outclassed or out geared anyone else. You had a chance. I feel if I stick my head into lowsec or 0.0, I will have no chance.
In EVE a savvy young pilot who understands game mechanics can embarass a veteran while using a worse ship and having less SP.
The PVP in EVE blows other games out of the water because of this. It's a great blend of cunning, strategy and an understanding of the mechanics in play.
I don't know about this WoW server but I've found nearly all other PVP experiences are too reliant on understanding game mechanics and don't really enough on player ingenuity. EVE does and that is why it's the best game ever despite barely being an actual good game. |
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:09:00 -
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I can understand its hard to tell the wow forums from eve forums. |
Eyrun Mangeiri
Schattengarde
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:10:00 -
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Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:Shell Scott wrote:[...]
Because in WSG all players were around my level, all had similar gear, and no player vastly outclassed or out geared anyone else. You had a chance. I feel if I stick my head into lowsec or 0.0, I will have no chance. This is very different from the WoW PvP I remember. Getting into WSG to come across players who you almost couldn't hurt, while they killed you within a few seconds, due to their superior gear, and only after long and tedious grind you could slowly catch up getting your own pvp gear. In Eve, I as newbie am clearly at a disadvantage when I meet someone with better skills and maybe more expensive modules if they are in a similar ship than me. When I go up against a Daredevil in my blaster Merlin or something like that. But in Eve, if I am smart and pay attention, I most of the time don't have to take those fights. It's a game of cat and mouse, and the short time I've spent in low sec before joining my current corp I didn't kill anything and was killed a few times, but I had tons of fun getting away from people who wanted to kill me. And the fights I lost weren't that one-sided, despite my opponents, if I remember right, having years older characters than I had.
You can also outsmart people in WoW and kill them while having inferior gear or, in world/open pvp, get away from them. Difference may be, that when you go into Warsiong Gulch (or any Battleground) in WoW you go there with the mindset to participate in PVP.
In EVE it may be smart to always expect PVP but we all know that most people don't or don't want to PVP at all.
I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
4066
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:12:00 -
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Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:we all know that most people don't or don't want to PVP at all.
Both this statement and the diameteric opposite are incorrect
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Shell Scott
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:14:00 -
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Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
You can also outsmart people in WoW and kill them while having inferior gear or, in world/open pvp, get away from them. Difference may be, that when you go into Warsiong Gulch (or any Battleground) in WoW you go there with the mindset to participate in PVP.
In EVE it may be smart to always expect PVP but we all know that most people don't or don't want to PVP at all.
Thank you. |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
44
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:14:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Not sure what the angle is here.
Have read again.
Twice.
I dont get it. Maybe it's an explanation why he doesn't like Eve? I'm not sure. Dunno But Ill say this Alterac Valley was best Battleground imho. *searing pain in implants* Owwwwwwwwwww. Dammit.
Well it was, when it was a 12 hour back and forth, not running up to the end and whoever gets to the last boss first wins as its been for years. The death of proper pvp in wow is one of the many reasons I stopped playing it as my fantasy mmo
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