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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:27:00 -
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Hello,
Can someone please explain to me in layman's terms what exactly is the difference between :
Adaptive Nano Plating and Adaptive Nano Membrane?
(aside from naming and the small difference in resist values.)
Thanks! |

Lothros Andastar
The Minutemen Li3 Federation
62
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:28:00 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:Hello,
Can someone please explain to me in layman's terms what exactly is the difference between :
Adaptive Nano Plating and Adaptive Nano Membrane?
(aside from naming and the small difference in resist values.)
Thanks! Membranes require CPU so are harder to fit on small ships or tight CPU fitting ships. |

Dave Stark
5526
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:29:00 -
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plating doesn't require cpu, membranes do.
that makes platings extremely easy to fit, however due to the higher resists the membranes are "better". |

Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:33:00 -
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Thanks for the replies. Also is it better to go like this
[Low Slots] 200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
or like this
[Low Slots] 200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II [Some Repairer] Damage Control II |

Master Tarn
Hax. Triumvirate.
16
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:37:00 -
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is it a mission or pvp fit? In mission situations most people choose fitting some kind of repair module because they need to be able to tank incoming damage for a longer period of time. Most pvp engagements last much shorter and many choose for a buffer tank of some sorts. In the end however, it depends on what kind of engagements you want your ship to be part of. |

Ryder 'ook
Die..Brut
63
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:40:00 -
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Don't combine Buffer Tank (Plates) with Repairers. That is usually not a good idea.
If you want an active tank, go pure resists plus repair.
Rule of thumb for beginners: Active tank is used in PvE. In PvP, try to use it in the beginning only on bonused hulls. And then mostly the "ancillary" version. (And depending on your capacitor status maybe even a second (non-ancillary) one).
Beginners usually get the most efficient PvP-setups with buffer tanks like the first one you described.
Cheers,
Ryder Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home. |

Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:43:00 -
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Thanks Y'all! Much appreciated!
Who says this community is bad? :P |

Dreadchain
Lavateinn
96
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:45:00 -
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Master Tarn wrote:is it a mission or pvp fit? In mission situations most people choose fitting some kind of repair module because they need to be able to tank incoming damage for a longer period of time. Most pvp engagements last much shorter and many choose for a buffer tank of some sorts. In the end however, it depends on what kind of engagements you want your ship to be part of.
Not quite true these days, active tanks seem to be far more popular, especially in frigate pvp. I'd rather dump the plate in favour of another damagemod and larger guns myself, but this depends on which ship you're flying. Plates work wonders on certain ships.
www.minerbumping.com |

Lothros Andastar
The Minutemen Li3 Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:52:00 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:Thanks Y'all! Much appreciated!
Who says this community is bad? :P Dumb Dumbs. :P |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
223
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:57:00 -
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What the other dudes said, also note that unless you use a T2 energized membrane, a Meta 4 plating is equal/better resists without the cpu cost.
Only use T2 (or better) membranes. |

SmokinMoses
Certified Incursions
3
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:09:00 -
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Dreadchain wrote:
Not quite true these days, active tanks seem to be far more popular, especially in frigate pvp. I'd rather dump the plate in favour of another damagemod and larger guns myself, but this depends on which ship you're flying. Plates work wonders on certain ships.
I agree with Dreadchain here, for example FW space is full of dual anci-shield booster Hawks and dual anci-armor repper Vengeances and it's absolutely ********. 
But I'd never fly for example the Stabber Fleet Issue with anything but buffer fit. |

Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:14:00 -
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For context the fit is supposed to be used for "stay alive long enough to GTFO" or "stay alive long enough for drones to tear them a new one or make them change their mind".
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SmokinMoses
Certified Incursions
4
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:20:00 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:For context the fit is supposed to be used for "stay alive long enough to GTFO" or "stay alive long enough for drones to tear them a new one or make them change their mind".
What ship are you aiming for?
If that is your desired pvp tactic I would recommend you fly the Vengeance or Sacrilege.
As someone said: "The Vengeance and the Sacrilege hit like a small girl, but have the staying power of an ex-wife." |

Master Tarn
Hax. Triumvirate.
16
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:20:00 -
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Thanks Dreadchain, you are right indeed. The ancils have given us some more flexibility when it comes to fitting for pvp.
In the end Nami, your fitting should depend on the situations you are trying to get yourself into, try to fit ships strategically based on tactics you are planning to use. Once you have your ship fitted try not to get baited into fights you didn't design your ship for :p
good luck with that :) |

Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:22:00 -
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SmokinMoses wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:For context the fit is supposed to be used for "stay alive long enough to GTFO" or "stay alive long enough for drones to tear them a new one or make them change their mind".
What ship are you aiming for? If that is your desired pvp tactic I would recommend you fly the Vengeance or Sacrilege. As someone said: "The Vengeance and the Sacrilege hit like a small girl, but have the staying power of an ex-wife."
Bwahahahaha! (with nose-milk-squirting imagery) |

Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:26:00 -
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Well...here she is. Supposedly to be used for some sneaky Low-Sec exploration. Currently doing it but I want t be safer. Don't have the skills or isks to fly a Stratios yet so this is the best I could come up with. With the fit below she gets around 11000 EHP with 74%+ all around resists
[Astero] [Columbia] [High Slots] Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[Med Slots] Data Analyzer II Cargo Scanner II Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Scan Rangefinding Array II
[Low Slots] 200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
[Rigs] Small Trimark Armor Pump II Small Anti-Explosive Pump II Small Trimark Armor Pump II
[Drones] Hobgoblin II x 15 |

SmokinMoses
Certified Incursions
4
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:33:00 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:Well...here she is. Supposedly to be used for some sneaky Low-Sec exploration. Currently doing it but I want t be safer. Don't have the skills or isks to fly a Stratios yet so this is the best I could come up with. With the fit below she gets around 11000 EHP with 74%+ all around resists
[Astero] [Columbia] [High Slots] Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[Med Slots] Data Analyzer II Cargo Scanner II Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Scan Rangefinding Array II
[Low Slots] 200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
[Rigs] Small Trimark Armor Pump II Small Anti-Explosive Pump II Small Trimark Armor Pump II
[Drones] Hobgoblin II x 15
Looks good, except I'd load 5x Hobs, 5x Warriors and 5x Acolytes as drones, just to be more flexible with damage types and drone mwd speeds.
And also it might be worth it dropping one EANM for a Drone Damage Amplifier. Not sure how much EHP you would lose though..
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:35:00 -
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SmokinMoses wrote:[quote=Nami Kumamato] And also it might be worth it dropping one EANM for a Drone Damage Amplifier. Not sure how much EHP you would lose though..
Arround 250-300 EHP ( 7% resists) |

SmokinMoses
Certified Incursions
6
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:39:00 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:SmokinMoses wrote:[quote=Nami Kumamato] And also it might be worth it dropping one EANM for a Drone Damage Amplifier. Not sure how much EHP you would lose though..
Arround 250-300 EHP ( 7% resists)
I'd say go for it then, 23% bonus dps to your drone damage might just make them change their minds. Also forgot, for escaping you'd do best if you ditched the Acolytes and loaded some ECM drones. |

Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:41:00 -
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SmokinMoses wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:SmokinMoses wrote:[quote=Nami Kumamato] And also it might be worth it dropping one EANM for a Drone Damage Amplifier. Not sure how much EHP you would lose though..
Arround 250-300 EHP ( 7% resists) I'd say go for it then, 23% bonus dps to your drone damage might just make them change their minds. Also forgot, for escaping you'd do best if you ditched the Acolytes and loaded some ECM drones.
I have no idea how those work :D |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4094
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:44:00 -
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SmokinMoses wrote:
If that is your desired pvp tactic I would recommend you fly the Vengeance or Sacrilege.
As someone said: "The Vengeance and the Sacrilege hit like a small girl, but have the staying power of an ex-wife."
UUuuh
no "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:47:00 -
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SmokinMoses wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:SmokinMoses wrote:[quote=Nami Kumamato] And also it might be worth it dropping one EANM for a Drone Damage Amplifier. Not sure how much EHP you would lose though..
Arround 250-300 EHP ( 7% resists) I'd say go for it then, 23% bonus dps to your drone damage might just make them change their minds. Also forgot, for escaping you'd do best if you ditched the Acolytes and loaded some ECM drones.
Also I forgot how to math - actually I'm losing 1750 EHP (7% resists) |

Alphea Abbra
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
754
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:49:00 -
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ECM gives a percentage chance of breaking someones lock. ECM drones aren't very good, so that is a small-ish percentage, but it might save your behind if you need a quick escape. If someone is warp scrambling you, for example, you can use ECM drones for him to lose lock on you, so he can't scramble for a short time, and then if you're aligned you can get away. It works poorly against a gang, but against solo it might save you.
Best of luck out there! |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
224
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Posted - 2014.05.12 10:54:00 -
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An alternative to be safer running lowsec data/relic is sticking to a T1 exploration frigate and dropping off loot in a nearby station (or in a secure container in a safespot) after every site you run.
That way you will be putting 10-15 Mil on the line at any given time instead of the 100+ Mil of the Astero hull + potentially 10s of Mil of loot.
Astero is surely more cool though :) |

Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:03:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:An alternative to be safer running lowsec data/relic is sticking to a T1 exploration frigate and dropping off loot in a nearby station (or in a secure container in a safespot) after every site you run.
That way you will be putting 10-15 Mil on the line at any given time instead of the 100+ Mil of the Astero hull + potentially 10s of Mil of loot.
Astero is surely more cool though :)
The idea is that in an Astero I *might* have a chance of escaping and staying alive longer while in a Heron for example I get dunked before I can close the hacking window.
Also it is known that Name + Astero = Love (and I'm not talking about wham-bam-thank-you-ma'm love but more on the likes of candles and ear-biting) |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1012
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:06:00 -
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I can not look at this title and not think about writing a lovely post about ...
the bird and the bees and the flowers and the trees and the moon up above ...
... and a thing called Looooove! :D
(: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears!
Red ... is the color of life ......... |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
224
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:09:00 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:Aside of that it is known that Nami + Astero = Love (and I'm not talking about wham-bam-thank-you-ma'm love but more on the likes of candles and ear-biting) Candles and ear-biting should never be discouraged, go for it! 
My (tiny) pirate conscience obliges me to just add that lowsec scoundrels will put a bit more effort into hunting/killing an Astero than a Heron.  |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1015
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:10:00 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:Aside of that it is known that Nami + Astero = Love (and I'm not talking about wham-bam-thank-you-ma'm love but more on the likes of candles and ear-biting) <3 <3 <3 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears!
Red ... it's the color of life ......... |

Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:11:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:Aside of that it is known that Nami + Astero = Love (and I'm not talking about wham-bam-thank-you-ma'm love but more on the likes of candles and ear-biting) Candles and ear-biting should never be discouraged, go for it!  My (tiny) pirate conscience obliges me to just add that lowsec scoundrels will put a bit more effort into hunting/killing an Astero than a Heron. 
Yes but statistically speaking - it'll be far harder to find an Astero than a Heron. Yet again, I'm a noob and I know nothing. :D |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1491
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Posted - 2014.05.12 11:12:00 -
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SmokinMoses wrote:I'd say go for it then, 23% bonus dps to your drone damage might just make them change their minds. Also forgot, for escaping you'd do best if you ditched the Acolytes and loaded some ECM drones. I agree with this.
For the GTFO factor, use EC-300s instead of the Acolytes. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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