The frigate and cruiser are perfect, but I'd reckon up the dmg bonus to 7.5 % or 10 % on the battleship.

Yea, silly us...

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To be clear you'll be able to get similar numbers on a Barghest, only with missiles that don't give a damn how fast you're going for damage application.

step 1) create a fit for your booster, and make sure it has a mindlink implant and the pilot is set to either your booster pilot imported via api, or the all V character.
step 2) minimise the fit, don't close it.
step 3) open the ship you want to apply the links to, right click the squad commander etc, then select your minimised ship fit from the drop down menu.

It's not gona have the PG to fit torps

Barghest with T2 torpedo launchers, faction torpedoes, and 4x faction damage ballistic controls does exactly 1337 1170 cold missile DPS

...welcome aboard why not 8 launchers! WHY

While I do love the fact that these are Primarily Missile Boats, ML in terms of lore are a weird one when considering the Traits they should have.

Don't get me wrong I think they look like they will be interesting, but unlike Guristas who are a pure Caldari - Gallente blend... what I think would be far more interesting to do with these ships would be to make them a focus choice of Caldari OR Gallente.

What I mean by that is let's take the Frigate as an example here.

Caldari (Per level)
4% Shield HP

Gallente (Per Level)
4% Armour HP

Role Bonus:
Can Fit 1 Role Module

Provide it with a default of 5 Drones along side the Launchers.
Caldari Assault : Remove Drones, +20% Missile Damage, +10% Local Repair, +4% Resists
Gallente Assault : Remove Launchers, +25% Drone Damage, +5% Local Repair, +4% Resists
Caldari Covert : -50% Launcher Fitting Requirements, Can Fit Covert Ops Cloak, +10% ECM Strength
Gallente Interdiction : +10% Range to Warp Disruption, +25% Strength to Sensor Damp Drones, -10% Smart Bomb Cycle Time

I mean you could likely add some more, to add to the specialisation... and those are really just off of the top of my head values for pure example rather than what they should go with - but the idea is that because Mordu Legion is very focused on state-of-the-art technology (particularly given their link with Ishukone) it makes sense their ships would be like Tech 3 'Lite' so to speak.

Where they lack the sheer number of bonus' that the other pirate factions have, but they specialise and are better at that given role, making them more a Pirate T2 in terms of performance so to speak.

I mean other ideas would be to also have Amarr and Minmatar Role Modules, perhaps add Logistics, etc... it makes then a massively versatile and sought after ship; but obviously demand will always mean they will also be very expensive as a result.
It also would give despite only having 3 options, the feel that Mordu are a far more fleshed out ship line.

They could also be a High-Slot Module, with of-course the option not to use one so the ship has a bit more of a Generalised Role.

Well just a thought instead of the ship treading heavily on the toes of the already established Pirate Factions.

No, it provides an easy visual cue for which posts to block...


I'm of the same opinion that the Barghest could benefit from a 7.5% missile damage bonus. It's only marginally better in terms of firepower than a Navy Raven or Golem, and a 7.5% bonus would take it from 8.75 to 9.625 effective launchers. That being said, it has a utility high, one more low, is faster and more agile - and of course, comes in black.

The Barghest seriously needs a buff, be it a change to 7.5% damage per Caldari Battleship skill level or another launcher slot- I don't want this to end up like the nestor...

Check out any of the other Kronos threads with respect to dev feedback, then re-review this one. It's not a slight to say that CCP Rise rarely interacts with players in his development threads. I had three replies from CCP Fozzie in two other threads today alone and I've yet to receive a single response in this thread, so take it for what it's worth.

CCP Rise, since the discussion in this thread has been very reasonable - could you please address the valid concern raised with respect to the Barghest?

1. While the warp disruption range bonus is beneficial on the Garmur and Orthrus, it's not necessarily well-suited for the Barghest. We do realize that traditionally these bonuses extend throughout a particular Pirate faction line, although there is precedent for some variation (ie: new Rattlesnake, Nestor). Might it be possible to substitute the warp disruption range bonus for one of the following: a) -10% reduction in missile launcher reload time, b) +5% increase in missile launcher ammunition capacity or c) +5% explosion velocity.

2. If it is not possible to change the warp disruption range bonus, might we instead see a slight increase to missile damage on the Barghest from the current 5% (8.75 effective launchers) to 7.5% (9.625 effective launchers)?

If you are no longer involved with ship rebalancing, could you please ask CCP Fozzie to visit this thread to respond to some of these inquiries? Thanks.

To whom it may concern.

The mordu Frig looks amazing.

However the cruiser, and BS- have some very serious issues.

Having spent a long time in EFT look at both ships, I would like to make this point regarding both ships.

Lets start with the Orthrus.

Currently, it is expected to fit this ship with HMLs, or HAMs. Because the ship has no innate application bonus, I have created fits that have 5% application implants, Standard crash on, Dual T2 rigors in an attempt to fix the problem. Even considering that most of your targets will not be running an MWD, the damage application is still abysmal. Anything that is skirmished linked, or anything non linked that is cruiser and below- easily tanks the large majority of your damage. This application is so poor in fact, that fitting the Orthrus with Light missiles, no application rigs / implants / or Crash- allows for almost doubole the DPS when applied to all targets Cruiser and below.

HMLs and HAM's need work. They are sub par to any other medium weapon system currently, and fall far short of Pulse lasers, and railguns. While I realize that an entire missile rework is quite a bit to ask for I was hoping that you would make some concessions for the ship bonuses. Please consider adding a 5% application bonus to medium missiles, give the orthrus something to help apply its damage. Because in the current iteration, the LML fit is far superior to any other.

Lastly, I wanted to mention the Barghest. Currently the only viable missile battleship in game, is the cruise typhoon. Fit with dual rigors, implants, and crash- the typhoon with its native application bonus is a very real threat, and a viable ship for solo / small gang. the ONLY reason the typhoon is superior to all others, is because of the application bonus. Large missiles, like medium ones are all abysmally poor weapon systems when you compare other BS weapons. (Mega Pulse, 800MM Repeating Arty, Large Blaster) Again, even with the most attention payed to application, the Barghest falls flat on its face compared to the typhoon when it comes to applying, and doing damage.

The battleship in particular struggles the most in this respect. Please consider adding some type of innate missile application bonus for both ships. If an application bonus is not added, the Orthrus will be yet another LML ship- and the Barghest will be useless outside of rapier / huginn gangs.

Thank you for your consideration.

Can you relay how big the Barghest is in terms of size as say compared to the Raven or Scorpion? Is there anything redeeming about them? Are we simply looking at a "black" version of the Nestor?


Yeah, colour me unimpressed...