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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Helios on 23/09/2003 15:01:27
How much time these miner II BP have been in limited hands of 3 or 4 corps?
I though this was only for a couple of weeks.... and how much time have past? a month and nothing looks to come to balance these corps to make 1 billion isk or more each week?
I guess they took a advantage for having them first.. but will there ever be a oportunity of other to join that type of wealth?
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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:14:00 -
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by giving people these Miner II blueprints,
We bought them. They where not given to us.
I agree that you make stupid amount of money for certain time.. say 3 weeks... but this looks like it will be for ever?
And yes you bought them ? for how much 200 million? so after the first week you got what? 800 million of profit? or more? let us know if you think is fair?
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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Helios on 23/09/2003 15:25:41
They bough it for 1 billion... And they took the risk... but after a month they already made what 10 billion form it?... don't you think is time to let it go and give the rest of us (4000 subscribers a break) and get a decent price for a this best item to make money?
I applaud them for making such a good investment...But I don't think they will complain if this is available for the rest of us , after all the money they made..
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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:29:00 -
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They bough it for 1 billion... And they took the risk... but after a month they already made what 10 billion form it?... don't you think is time to let it go and give the rest of us (4000 subscribers a break) and get a decent price for a this best item to make money?
if it were a vital item I would say yes, but its not VITAL, its just a good item, so I'd saymilk it while it lasts, next time it will be someone else.
Think about the people that sold implants the first day for 100 mil each.
I agree to do that for a day a week or maybe a month... but you agree for these 4 corps to be the only ones to have it for life? if not? how much time you think is fair to be making more than 1 billion each week with out making any effort at all?
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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:31:00 -
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Well, by the calculations that have been shown:
If they bought the BP for 1 billion isk 35 days ago
Assuming production of 40 per day
40 * 2.5 million = 100,000,000
minus 40 * 40,000 = 1,600,000
equals 98,400,000 profit per day.
1 billion / 98,400,000 = 10.16260.
Given these numbers, they cleared their investment expenditure in 10.1 days. So for 24.9 days, they have not reduced the cost of the item accordingly. This results in a net of
98,400,000 * 24.9 = 2,450,160,000 isk in profit.
They can built 80 per day.. so they sell 80 each day... just for your calculations...
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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:36:00 -
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Lets stop *****ing around and lets ask the parties involve what they think about releasing more BP of miner II in the market.. I am sure Techell is not a griefers and they are satisfied with the return from their investment..
So Techelll do you have a problem if they release unlimited miner II BP in the market or you need more time... ? if you need more time how much more you want?
Please answer this so we can know your position on this topic...
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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:45:00 -
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Lets stop *****ing around and lets ask the parties involve what they think about releasing more BP of miner II in the market.. I am sure Techell is not a griefers and they are satisfied with the return from their investment..
So Techelll do you have a problem if they release unlimited miner II BP in the market or you need more time... ? if you need more time how much more you want?
Please answer this so we can know your position on this topic...
I do not mind anything CCP does. That is why it is a game. We all live with our choices. And some with jealously
So the position of Techell is they don't mind... so we are all in the same boat here.. is time to realize the miner II BP in the market... and have everyone Happy... No need to defend anyone or *****ing around ... Please DEVs can we get this BP as Soon as possible?
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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:54:00 -
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Simply ridicoulos...
They buy it..they made an investiment...
That's a thought of a child of ten years...
They did not buy it from the market, or somewhere where ANYONE can buy it.
Someone went to them.
They had a chance that only 3 Cops had.
This is not a chance.
Maybe 10 minor Corps could make an economic alliance and buy it at 2 billions...but that was not a "Who pays more gain it"!
I did not see a new telling: "we have 3 BP of MII, the higher offer will gain them".
So, please, u have the toy, play with it.
But don't defend the way u got the BP.
It does not work with people that have a brain inside the head....
U have the toys, play with it.
Why yoy keep defending... they already made their investment and in a great way
And they just say they don't mind if the BP for miner 2 goes unlimited in the market...
so why you will not be more than happy with this if they don't mind?
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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 16:31:00 -
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Ok I am not *****ing and I am not attacking Techell
They Just say is OK if the Miner II BP is available to everyone...They already happy with all the billions they make with their excellent investment and the prove not to be that greedy... so what are we discusing here...
They are happy and certantly all players will be happy with this so The queation sis when the DEV witll make them available
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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Helios on 23/09/2003 17:17:10
This is not Techell faults, and they were a great corp to see an opportunity... They earn all the money they made... When I start this post it was simply to ask for how long? and if this was going to be for the rest of the game so all we get use to this...
But I Ask Techell if they have a problem to make the Miner II BP available unlimited to the market and they seems to not have a problem with this... They make great money and they still do... So is up to de DEVs to make a little thing and make 90 % of the players stop complaining about this issue... everyone will be happy...
If you have a problem with this and you do not belong to Techell you must have a hidden interest and you just want to keep it that way to keep taking advantage of it with other player times....
So if you are not form Techell tell me why wouldnĘt you be happy if this miner II BP goes unlimited in the market... or stop posting about all that crap of fair market...
If Techell was a problem with this (One of them say no problem) Let us know how much time you think it will be fari that this situations keeps going on... One week, one moth or forever? so we can know what are your intentions with unbalance issues in this game...
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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Helios on 23/09/2003 17:57:36
Edited by: Helios on 23/09/2003 17:34:40
Edited by: Helios on 23/09/2003 17:31:43
Gravedancer:
Are you form Techell? NO Then if you want people to listen to your point , tell us why are you against the Minner II BP going unlimited in the market?
Does your corp has the other BP? if Not, how are you making money about this? , cause there is no way you wont like to have miners II at a decent price, unless you are taking advantage of it and then your comment is biass... so is not valid... and don't give us that crap
And then Window (microsoft) have a huge law suit for that and it still in fighting it in Europe... and they just trying to go around... so there you go... Microsoft is not fair... and there is Government to fix that ... CCP has to play the Government role...
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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:10:00 -
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At this point Techell can't keep up with demand, and as far as I know they are the only corp who is willing to sell Miner IIs at all. Raising the price and changing it from an Isk to Megacyte deal is bad for a lot of people (including me) who can't come up with that much Mega ATM, but it's not their job to run a virtual charity. I regret that, but I'm not bothering with a waiting list, or getting scalped by some trade channel sharpie.
This situation is up to CCP to fix. It's not just that Miner II BPs could be put on the market. They could instead continue to withold the BP but have NPCs start to make and sell Miner IIs at normal NPC volume and markup (about 250% of mineral cost, in my estimation, others may have more precise figures). Then the pressure would be off Techell, we could all get our uuber miners, and hopefully soon after rats would start dropping Dual Diode IIs, XECL IIs, etc :) I'd bet that at this point, rich as it might be making them, Techell would be happy not to have to deal with all the freaking hassle of being the only Miner II show in town. It's not like it's their only way to make money ;)
I can't for the life of me see what we can expect of Techell. They can't make copies, and ATM they are running those BPCs 24/7 making miners that they are selling for less than trade channel prices. If they were selling them for 100K Isk each and then watching ppl resell them for 4 mil each on the trade channel, I'd assume they were stupid. As it is, they are playing out a crappy situation and having to accept the hatred of people who are mad at CCP and jealous of them.
BW
Anywhoo, while we're talking about tech II, I'd like my Afterburner IIs anytime folks!
Great point...
So from experience, does anyone know if the DEV ready these forums and help Techell get out of that hate situation they are in?
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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:18:00 -
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If I had a dollar for every time I would be rich.
Jajajaja
You shuold start giving money for charity and avoid taxes... And yes your price is correct... if not otherones will be taking advantage
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