My response was pointing out that your whining about things being harder in Drone Land is silly given the disproportionate amount guaranteed ISK you pull out of drone anoms. So what if they're harder... you'll still run them and still make bank on them.

So let me get this right:

- one cannot mine belts in high sec because of detroyer ganks
- one cannot use any industrial ship in high sec during Hulkageddon (or however it is spelled) because they get popped
- one cannot mine ice in high sec because of ganks
- one cannot take too long finishing a lvl 4 mish in high sec because of ninja looters
- one cannot take one's eye off the screen for a minute in high sec incursions because of griefers and gankers
- one cannot fly a marauder in high sec because of ganks
- one cannot fly a pimped up battleship in high sec because of griefers and ganks
- one cannot fly caps or supercaps in high sec because they are only allowed in low, null and wormhole space
- one cannot fly a freighter or industrial on autopilot from one corner of high sec EVE to another because of gate camps
- one cannot set up a pos in highsec because of wardecs

...and to top it off the very best content is in nullsec where high sec carebears have no interest in playing eventhough there are more carebears with a gazillion skillpoints than pvpers. Now CCP is buffing EVEN MORE those sections of EVE where carebears do not fly.

CCP please tell me why I should spend my hard earned money playing your game when my playstyle, high sec carebear, obviously is not to your liking?

First off: Guaranteed isk would be bounties which is not what the drone regions provide. There is still risk in transporting and storing alloys, especially when you are multiple jumps away from an outpost.

Secondly: They are not harder, they just take longer since you have to wait for every last frigate drone to die before going onto the next spawn. I would actually prefer if they were harder and provided more isk with more risk.

Third: They are saying, "More money! More loot!" But in actuality it will be more time, same reward. -> Less isk/hour.

If they truly are trying to increase ISK/hour or ISK/EHP than this change does the opposite of what they are intending.

LOL if i read correctly the OP by greyscale they found that sanctums were the best anomolies on TQ ... those arent in the droneregions ... and how much do yall make off of raw bounties and mod drops PLUS faction loot .....

So back to my original post these changes didnt make drone regions anoms more profitable , just more work for the same ISK

You people over in the drone regions have enough money as it is. Your Super Cap hordes are proof of that!

So no buff for you.

Edit: BTW, this is the answer for both low-sec and null-sec risk reward curve

Once implemented, all CCP needs to do is keep drops and bounties in line with the the type of space they spawn in. Lower the sec status of space the better and more frequent the spawns. Fixed

in 0.0 use Ihub to augment the purposed sec system.
in low-sec, they do not have Ihubs so reward will be caped! (so to say)

The question is what player actions do we use to manipulate the tru sec with??
Also, does space slowly regain sec status if no player action is done within a system?

You people over in the drone regions have enough money as it is. Your Super Cap hordes are proof of that!

So no buff for you.

I do not see where any of us are asking for a buff. We just don't want our "buffed" anomalies to mean that we will need to work twice as long for the same amount of alloys (note that there is a difference between alloys and isk).

we determined a target average ISK value for every site and then tuned each one upwards (every site bar one ended up needing a buff of some kind) to meet the target goal, using mainly battlecruisers and high-value battleships to minimize the additional Effective Hit Points added to the site as a whole.

Just because you say its a good idea doesn't mean it is...

You must be new around here, Everyone's ideas here on EVE O forums are correct and a good idea .......

EHP->ISK therefore drones are not affected

This suggest that they are calculating anomalies profitability by its collective EHP. This means that the total amount of isk gain within a site is directly proportional to the amount of damage one must put in it to finish the site.

I do not see where drone sites were specifically mentioned; however, i would suspect that drones were left untouched and the rest of the anomalies were buff to bring them inline to the amount of damage that must be done in drone sites.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are 3 ways to profit from anomalies (Drops, bounties, and salvage). Since drones rely mostly on drops and salvage (not a drone region resident sorry), CCP should have accounted for the profitability of Drone sites correctly if they did indeed use the above method.

Get rid of mineral drops from drones!!!
give industry a chance!!!

And jojo get a carrier and hit all bunkers at once.

I commend you on your sense of humor. As for the topic at hand I just would to have confirmation if the drone regions are indeed getting affected by these. Zen your line of thinking is logical (EHP->ISK therefore drones are not affected) but when is the last time CCP did anything logically (cant say that for much longer though apparently )

I read that. They also said that they use this metric because ISK/hour has a lot of noise since everyone has their own pace/ship/setup that directly affects how fast they can complete and salvage an anomaly. So while they may have increased the drops and drones in total, they actually increased the time it takes to do the anomaly considerably.

This time increase is due to the fact that one can no longer destroy the four bunkers in 1 version of the anomaly and now must do this anomaly wave by wave. Drastically increasing the time and making it impossible to salvage while running this anomaly. There is already a version of Drone Horde that requires you to do waves, and no one runs that version because it already takes too much time.

Maybe this post will answer a few more questions as to why this change is not a good one, and it has nothing to do with coddling the drone regions.


It also seems that some people have no clue what the problem is, so I stated it above.

tl;dr -> The version of drone horde that allowed you to spawn all the drones and agro them and then bring in your looter at the same time was nerfed so that it has to be done wave by wave, increasing the total time to finish it and therefore lowering ISK/hour, even though ISK/EHP may have increased, this will still lead to a lower income for everyone running this anomaly.

After this patch that won't be possible. Another reason this is a nerf.

Given that the eve economy is already suffering from a lot of inflation, to the point where both your CEO and your lead economist have said that the economy is 'broken', how do you justify increasing ISK faucets even more when you should be doing the opposite?

Has any research been done in how this increased income will affect the game and the economy as a whole?

I said carrier not super carrier. Sentry II's and heavy drone II's are just as good if not better then fighters.

Feel free to read the rest of my post. You cannot hit all the bunkers at once anymore with the new patch. You have to kill the entire wave before the next wave will show up. I don't know where you got super caps from in there at all.




Zendoren:
I have done PVP in the past and that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I don't care that EHP goes up or ISK goes up. I care that since you have to complete wave 1 to get wave 2 instead of blowing up the 4 bunkers and getting all 5 waves at the same time, the time to complete the anomaly goes up drastically more than if they just increased EHP.

+1 for fewer / slower ISK faucets

Ultimately, I think the answer there lies in turning down the faucet, and compensating by dropping more meta 1-4 / faction items, tags, and rewarding more activities with LP instead of ISK. (But we also need more ISK sinks in some fashion.)

You can still make the same amount per hour (after selling everything), but it slows down the rate of ISK coming into the system and you're forced to get more of your compensation by selling things to other players. If there ends up with a glut of those dropped / earned items, the market will adjust to the over-supply.

Also, a couple of things I'm expecting people to ask about that I want to clear up in advance:


First, this blog was entirely my idea; the original implementation was badly designed and I have no problem admitting that. We make mistakes, we learn from them, and we do things better next time around.

Second, yes, there was a huge angry forum thread for the first blog and I ignored it. That was also a mistake (obviously, in retrospect). This happened partly because I was too focused on looking for reasoned critiques to appreciate the significance of the huge outburst that it generated, but mainly because I've been increasingly withdrawn from the forums for the last year or two. It's a pretty draining experience reading page after page after page of angry posts, about all kinds of topics but all ultimately driven by the same core concerns of abandonment and neglect, and agreeing with those concerns, and not being able to do much of anything about it. As a result, I've been avoiding listening to the forums and focusing on doing the best work I can, but the former occasionally precludes the latter. On the bright side, it feels like the mood on the forums has been improving hugely in the last month or two, and I'm making an effort to read and post more as a result. Whether or not this is a good thing is of course a matter of personal opinion ;)