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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:47:00 -
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Haven't had the chance to check on Sisi but please don't forget about Khanid Kingdom :) |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
540
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:39:00 -
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Carthum should use the Sarum style, and Viziam should use the Ardishapur style, instead of the Default Amarr style. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3210
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Posted - 2014.05.16 18:57:00 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:I'm sure that many megacorps, Caldari Constructions included, would not hesitate to allow their good friends and associates the privilege of using station decoration as means of advertising...for a percentage.
That said, I am making notes for requested adjustments to these arrangements, and will continue to record these comments for those more suitably situated in the decision making process to judge accordingly.
Your voices are heard.
The following comment may seem harsh, because I am a roleplayer.
The entire purpose of this graphical change is for immersion. People want to see the colors of the NPC Corporations on their stations. People also (presumably) want those colors to make sense. If they don't make sense, roleplayers will probably be the first to tell you.
It's not just opinions that we're voicing, Antiquarian. It's established fiction that CCP (not us) has already written. Caldari Constructions is owned by Kaalakiota. That's how Tibus Heth became CEO of Kaalakiota, because he stole CEO position of Caldari Constructions (and then its parent corporation).
So, with that established lore already in place, why must we insist on excusing and rationalizing a contradictory choice, when a better and frankly obvious choice already exists? We know CCP takes lore seriously. We know YOU take lore seriously (you used to be one of us).
Don't encourage or enable the habit of making excuses for a job that could simply be done correctly the first time around. Practice proper workmanship, as we have come to expect and respect from CCP.
Let's get it done right the first time.
ALL THAT BEING SAID: I appreciate that you're taking notes and passing on our voices. I know you're doing your best, and I trust you. I just wanted you to be careful when joking around like that. There have been times in the past when that attitude towards lore conflict has decidedly not been a joke. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
365
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Posted - 2014.05.16 20:15:00 -
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I can only agree there with Kat! Please tap the resources you already put work into, rather then making up new things that contradict the established facts, |
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
738
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Posted - 2014.05.17 06:14:00 -
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Wrong or missing logos-
Found in Suroken
Propel dynamics Factory Spaceline patrol Assembly Plant Core Complexion Inc.
If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
Rhavas
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
296
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Posted - 2014.05.17 06:26:00 -
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Did a little 70-ish jump tour of New Eden this evening.
- Jita 4-4 has clearly been updated - subtle but nice.
- Minmatar stations appear unchanged vs TQ, sporting base Minnie colors and logos at Hek (Boundless), Aldrat (Pator Tech) and Eram (Eifyr station and AJ Site One stations)
- Dodixie trade hub is clearly upgraded - the black is sort of foreboding but cool.
- Amarr Emperor Family trade hub looks really nice. Blindingly shiny!
- Malkalen Ishukone paint is subtle but attractive ("gold leaves"). Is Malkalen's old ruined station getting some custom tweaks or is it officially "fully repaired" as of Kronos?
- Yulai CONCORD Bureau looks awesome. Did it get totally redone for V3 last time out or is the paint job new this round?
- FDZ4-A SOCT - Does not appear changed. Was SOCT skipped?
- There is still no ruined station at Roua 10-2 (See "The Great Harvest" Chronicle). This makes me sad.
Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary |
Nicola Arman
Mining and Explorations Nuevo Imperio Galactico
37
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Posted - 2014.05.17 14:25:00 -
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The orange Caldari stations look silly... |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
968
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Posted - 2014.05.17 14:46:00 -
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Rhavas wrote:Did a little 70-ish jump tour of New Eden this evening.
- Malkalen Ishukone paint is subtle but attractive ("gold leaves"). Is Malkalen's old ruined station getting some custom tweaks
It better be bloody repaired by now, five years is more than enough time to fix a station. As someone else said before it takes two-three months to build a Titan but stations take years to repair. If CCP want to have a monument off the undock with an ever burning torch or something to keep notice that the station is/was an important event in EVE's history that's cool, but let's just patch it up for good and pretend it didn't take them as long as it did.
Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |
Dr Prometheus
Gears of Construction Gears Confederation
89
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Posted - 2014.05.17 21:42:00 -
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So far i did not see any wrong coloring, but i do have some few suggestions/remarks;
Stations
Kaalakiota stations All Kaalakiote Ships are painted with the big red "lines" acros the ships, (Nighthawk, Widow, Flycatcher etc.) This should imho also be added to the station skins to make them inline.
Amarr stations They seem to miss the logo`s of the factions.
Suggestions
- Skin the stargates to the current faction colors (Not all but for example, Sarum Prime system would have red/gold colored jumpgates.)
- Next to the standard concord/faction NPC ships, also add some with the colors of the current "habbitants" of the system. (So in case of Sarum Prime, add also some Red/Gold NPC Ships.)
For example, i see some Amarr Customs generals in standard (Capsuleer) But the Amarr Customs Survailance Officer is in a Amarr Navy Slicer. Try to make these look as one (All Navy style or Faction colored or something.)
Dude, where is my Charon? |
TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
227
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Posted - 2014.05.18 07:22:00 -
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.19 14:43:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote: The following comment may seem harsh, because I am a roleplayer....
None of that seems harsh, and this type of feedback is why we have Test Servers and threads like this one. We are all making the world of Eve, and that should be fun for everyone.
Re: Caldari Constructions/Kaalakiota/Wiyrkomi
This is both a lore and art move. We want to encourage visual variety while offering opportunities for deeper immersion. As there are nearly twice as many Kaalakiota Stations as Wiyrkomi, this is a good way to keep that ideal.
According to Lore, Heth's denunciation and historic association with Caldari Constructions has had a impact on the value of CC real estate. As Kaalakiota has more than 170 other stations, taking money from a friendly non-rival for the privilege of rebranding an undesirable subsidiary is a smart move that simultaneously suggests distance and increases capital.
Both KK and Wiyrkomi are patriotic bloc megacorps. The Seituoda family is known to be in pursuit of diversification, though has not yet been particularly successful in that regard. To help advance their high-end market goals, Wiyrkomi has paid for the higher profile. Constructions took the branding, and Kaalakiota approved.
Many of the other changes suggested here should appearing on Sisi in the next few days. We hope you'll keep an eye out for other suggestions that haven't been addressed. |
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
968
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Posted - 2014.05.19 17:08:00 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote: The following comment may seem harsh, because I am a roleplayer....
None of that seems harsh, and this type of feedback is why we have Test Servers and threads like this one. We are all making the world of Eve, and that should be fun for everyone. Re: Caldari Constructions/Kaalakiota/Wiyrkomi This is both a lore and art move. We want to encourage visual variety while offering opportunities for deeper immersion. As there are nearly twice as many Kaalakiota Stations as Wiyrkomi, this is a good way to keep that ideal. According to Lore, Heth's denunciation and historic association with Caldari Constructions has had a impact on the value of CC real estate. As Kaalakiota has more than 170 other stations, taking money from a friendly non-rival for the privilege of rebranding an undesirable subsidiary is a smart move that simultaneously suggests distance and increases capital. Both KK and Wiyrkomi are patriotic bloc megacorps. The Seituoda family is known to be in pursuit of diversification, though has not yet been particularly successful in that regard. To help advance their high-end market goals, Wiyrkomi has paid for the higher profile. Constructions took the branding, and Kaalakiota approved. Many of the other changes suggested here should appearing on Sisi in the next few days. We hope you'll keep an eye out for other suggestions that haven't been addressed.
I'm happy to see the feedback being submitted is being read over and taken on in some cases. I'm a little miffed about the KK/WK stuff because this seems like once again the lore is being made up/rewritten because CCP wants to make a change which doesn't work unless they do this. It makes sense in some cases to advance the story or create new features but this is as you said (if I understand correctly) that you just wanted more of x type of station skin to be around so you had to make up a reason why Caldari Constructions would suddenly have all their stations painted in a new colour.
If you want the change why not go all the way and write a nice lore piece about Wiyrkomi buying up Caldari Constructions as a whole, it would allow you to move forward with the graphical changes, give the players something to read and make the lore/story feel like things are still happening. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |
SpaceSaft
Sub Par. The East India Co.
78
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Posted - 2014.05.19 22:17:00 -
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Hey I'm zooming around a bit right now, and I like the stations a lot!
But I do have to say there is a mismatch between exterior and interior. In some aprils fools video you joked about interior design but it's kind of something you should do when you're modifying the exterior so heavily.
To be frank the more uniform the corp look, the more boring and out of the place the skin looks. For example the completely green "republic" skin. Also the unicolor skins are too shiny in my opinion. Makes some minmatar stations look like they are coated in copper, which might look cool but would be ridiculously expensive and not very practical. They need some space dirt .
In contrast to that the ones that have patterns in them look really good.
Also thanks to whoever made the leopard. Hope restored. |
Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
280
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:51:00 -
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So.... this kinda belongs here, and kinda doesn't.
But the Sansha stations in Stain.... any chance of replacing them with some of the cool Sansha Battlestation models found in certain missions?
They are highly, highly factional stations and right now it seems silly they carry the banners of every other faction in the game but their own. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
970
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Posted - 2014.05.21 09:59:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:So.... this kinda belongs here, and kinda doesn't.
But the Sansha stations in Stain.... any chance of replacing them with some of the cool Sansha Battlestation models found in certain missions?
They are highly, highly factional stations and right now it seems silly they carry the banners of every other faction in the game but their own. I think this is the same for a lot of the NPC Pirate factions, maybe it is something that can be looked at improving in future. I'll note I didn't check the all the pirate factions so I'll have to do that shortly but it would be nice to see each Pirate (or I should say no Empire) faction flying their own colours or even station models if art ever had time. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
551
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Posted - 2014.05.21 10:40:00 -
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Turelus wrote:If you want the change why not go all the way and write a nice lore piece about Wiyrkomi buying up Caldari Constructions as a whole, it would allow you to move forward with the graphical changes, give the players something to read and make the lore/story feel like things are still happening.
Seeing as KK already sold off Echelon Entertainment, this would make sense. They could sell off Caldari Constructions as well. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3217
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Posted - 2014.05.21 21:50:00 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote: The following comment may seem harsh, because I am a roleplayer....
None of that seems harsh, and this type of feedback is why we have Test Servers and threads like this one. We are all making the world of Eve, and that should be fun for everyone. Re: Caldari Constructions/Kaalakiota/Wiyrkomi ... Many of the other changes suggested here should appearing on Sisi in the next few days. We hope you'll keep an eye out for other suggestions that haven't been addressed.
Fair enough. I actually had not consisdered/remembered that KK had sold off several major assets. Quietly getting rid of Caldari Constructions seems like a plausible concept. Regardless, as Turelus hinted at, retconning lore to fit development is already a necessary evil - let's not add to it where we don't need to. This case is one of those few cases where a sensible lore update can be worked in, rather than a retcon.
Anyways, good job on taking feedback. Despite any lore quibbles, the artwork and changes look good.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
281
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Posted - 2014.05.22 06:01:00 -
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Turelus wrote:Kuronaga wrote:So.... this kinda belongs here, and kinda doesn't.
But the Sansha stations in Stain.... any chance of replacing them with some of the cool Sansha Battlestation models found in certain missions?
They are highly, highly factional stations and right now it seems silly they carry the banners of every other faction in the game but their own. I think this is the same for a lot of the NPC Pirate factions, maybe it is something that can be looked at improving in future. I'll note I didn't check the all the pirate factions so I'll have to do that shortly but it would be nice to see each Pirate (or I should say no Empire) faction flying their own colours or even station models if art ever had time. *Edit Okay some some of the Pirate ones are done like Gurista skins on the Caldari stations, missing on Gallente stations which is a shame but this is a tech issue?
In the case of Sansha there doesn't even need to be a re-skin. Working models already exist. All that really needs to be for someone to attach an exit hookpoint in the programming for ships to undock.
Very minimal workload compared to the other stations, but it has consistently been overlooked throughout the years :/ |
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